Human Sacrifice... right or wrong?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#537 May 9, 2013
JJJ wrote:
Why are you being so dishonest?
I've responded to all your questions... we disagree on the bible so you feel I have not answered you, fair enough....
so I've even let the bible go..and instead made it personal...and wow look at the response....<quoted text>+
I understand why you are upset Fly, because you know without doubt that if you had the powers that you believe that your god has you would not ignore the prayers of mother asking you to cure her child,
You know 100% for certain that if you had the powers you believe your god has would you remove evil from the world....
And the realisation has finally broken through...there can be no justification ever for creating and allowing evil for any reason..
And the dsicomfort you are feeling right now... its called cognitive dissonance...
You see Fly.... we both know that we would not allow suffering to exist when we could remove it.... not even for a dog,
If you stated here that you would ignore the prayers of mother asking for her dying child to be healed when you could cure her....and you were being truthful, then it would be an indication that your are mentally unwell.....
All the best mate.
I asked you three questions. I even numbered them. Well actually it was 2 but you didnt answer me of course. You just continue to repeat yourself. Unless you can show me where you answered these questions?

I asked you about your assertion that Adam and Eve were left in the cold. You didnt answer you skipped right over it.

I also asked you about where in the OT (since thats the God we are discussing) does it explain that Satan will be here to mislead earth for time to come? No answer you just skipped right over it.

So yes I have a reason to not respond to you repeating yourself over and over. Though I wouldnt mind to. I just like convos to go BOTH ways. Not me respond to you, you ignore/skip over what I say just to repeat yourself. I can do that for a lil bit but after awhile it gets boring/annoying
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#538 May 9, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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The deffinition of wanting
1. Absent; lacking.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wanting
You keep not understanding the fact that god is perfect and lacks nothing.
Him Wanting something means he lacks something or he would not want it.
Yes by playing basketball you learn,play,are social with other people so you get get physical and mental benifits.Thats why children play so much because they (even Unconsciously) develop allot when playing with other children.
But yet again you use human examples that by your own words can not be applied to god.Your words"That's just humans trying to limit an INFINITE God to humanistic terms"
Yes wordplay like using vague terms like the love of your mother supposedly adding something to prove a point.
Your trying to play on emotions rather then being honest.
You say people have a worth yet can not give 1 solid example of that worth and even admit that we have no function to our supposed creator.
Your admitting that god is not perfect and just randomly creates things that he has no need or function for.
And if god is not perfect he is not god.
Your saying god does not exist.
So answer me this. What did I insinuate He was lacking when I said He did what He wanted to do?
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#539 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So answer me this. What did I insinuate He was lacking when I said He did what He wanted to do?
See that's what I mean with wordplay.
This is a trick question and totally not the point I was making.
It does not matter what god was lacking.
It proves god was lacking something because he according to you wanted something.
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#540 May 9, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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spandexx: "Toy's have a function so what function do humans have?"
Consider this:
Humans function to provide a living biological medium in which our being can exist. And the purpose our being living human beings serves attains what can only be attained in life.
Sorry but this does not answer anything.
It still does not explain why god made humans and why we need a biological medium in the first place.
btw what can only be attained in life?
This way you actually create more questions then the 1 you are trying to answer.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#541 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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See where you ignored the FACT that the world's problems are not a result of religions but a result of greed, lack of empathy, among other negative qualities? If Im wrong, show it. Quit blaming everything on religion. That is DISHONEST.
So let me ask you this, if God gave life to be used for a certain purpose, can He not take back life if its not used in the purpose He intended? Please answer
Flygerian: "...if God gave life to be used for a certain purpose..."

EVERYTHING God gives serves the best interests of those it's given to.
And as I tried to tell you previously,... to understand God, you HAVE to think in the context of love.
Thinking

Sidmouth, UK

#542 May 9, 2013
Obsessive and violent love.
janeebee wrote:
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Flygerian: "...if God gave life to be used for a certain purpose..."
EVERYTHING God gives serves the best interests of those it's given to.
And as I tried to tell you previously,... to understand God, you HAVE to think in the context of love.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#543 May 9, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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The ONLY reason there is ANY peace and prosperity for more than a few in this world is BECAUSE of widespread Judeo-Christian governing foundation principles.
You should study some history to help alleviate your chronic ignorance.
But then, I'd miss laughing at your stupidity.
Bullshit. The wars fought in the name of your god, people killed in the name of your god, as long as we allow you freaks to live there will be war
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#544 May 9, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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See that's what I mean with wordplay.
This is a trick question and totally not the point I was making.
It does not matter what god was lacking.
It proves god was lacking something because he according to you wanted something.
So I want to play basketball that means Im lacking something? If so what?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#545 May 9, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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Flygerian: "...if God gave life to be used for a certain purpose..."
EVERYTHING God gives serves the best interests of those it's given to.
And as I tried to tell you previously,... to understand God, you HAVE to think in the context of love.
I dont deny that God has love. But to say that is what He IS. Is limiting Him. Just as if I said God is WRATH that would be limiting Him. Didnt He say He is what He is to Moses?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#546 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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They were punished because of the parents. Such as if you killed someone's child and instead of PUTTING YOU to death your child is put to death so you could feel EXACTLY what you put the other parent(s) thru.
While that might sound like a fair assessment of things - there is no way you' know it would work out in the way you wish. You kill that guys child in retaliation he get angrier and wipes-out all of your family while you watch. He makes sure you're genetics are wiped clean from the earth.

So what did you gain? What did anyone gain by your scenario?

All you are doing, over and over and over is making excuses for a God you supposedly don't even worship.

When in the name of this God are you going to come clean and admit to being a Xtian..?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#547 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I dont deny that God has love. But to say that is what He IS. Is limiting Him. Just as if I said God is WRATH that would be limiting Him. Didnt He say He is what He is to Moses?
So this God is Popeye? "I am what I am!"

Trouble is he's whatever any worshiper wants him to be at any given moment. Thus he's made in the image of the Believer...re-made over and over to suit the whims of the Believer. He's the God of wrath when he's needed to vilify others, he's all love when applied to those a Believer likes/loves.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#548 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So I want to play basketball that means Im lacking something? If so what?
Maybe you want to play b-ball because football scares you...?

Sometimes we steer towards things in order to avoid other things...like facing our inadequacies, that which we lack...
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#549 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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What is the Hebrew bible then?
And you have it mixed up. Without the OT you have no bible.
The Hebrews don't use any Bible, they use The Tanakh and it does not contain any writings from The New Testament.
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#550 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So I want to play basketball that means Im lacking something? If so what?
Tell me what drives you to play basketball, what do you get out of it?If nothing why do you like to play it?
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#551 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I asked you three questions. I even numbered them. Well actually it was 2 but you didnt answer me of course. You just continue to repeat yourself. Unless you can show me where you answered these questions?I asked you about your assertion that Adam and Eve were left in the cold. You didnt answer you skipped right over it.
Again you are being pedantic... So here is AGAIN my answer to your fist question:

The bible itself answers your question.... Adam & Eve were living in a paradise like garden, in perfect health, peace & happiness.... after their error in judgment the simple act of giving into curiosity this is what happens....

So the LORD God said to the serpent,“Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust
all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head, and you will strike his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labour you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

17 To Adam he said,“Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you,‘You must not eat from it,’“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#552 May 9, 2013
Okay so god still allowed them to breath... allowed them to breed, allowed them to live (until death as opposed to forever...

So relatively speaking yes, yes & YES again, relatively speaking they were left out in the cold...

Their situation has changed from that of an idyllic existence in a paradise to....“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”

So stop being so anal retentive over semantics.... if by '
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>Adam and Eve were left in the cold. it.
... you are referring to them being dropped off at the North Pole well no they have not.....

But if you were honest you would acknowledge that the consensus of all bible scholars & students is that Adam & Eve were punished and punished harshly for what appears to be the very first mistake they had made....

Question1 answered. I don't care if it is not the answer that you want and forgive me for imputing you to having enough enough inteligence to read between the lines... but as you have demonstrated I'll have to be far more direct with my naswers...
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#553 May 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>While that might sound like a fair assessment of things - there is no way you' know it would work out in the way you wish. You kill that guys child in retaliation he get angrier and wipes-out all of your family while you watch. He makes sure you're genetics are wiped clean from the earth.
So what did you gain? What did anyone gain by your scenario?
All you are doing, over and over and over is making excuses for a God you supposedly don't even worship.
When in the name of this God are you going to come clean and admit to being a Xtian..?
Im simply laying the logic down. You're adding onto the scenario and thats fine I guess but Im just getting at the retribution. If a person kills someone elses kids maybe the punishment for him is losing his own life? Or maybe its losing his kids so he can feel what the other person is feeling? That is what I was getting at.

Now where oh where did I say I did not worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob? Will you answer this one or skim over it as JJJ does?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#554 May 9, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me what drives you to play basketball, what do you get out of it?If nothing why do you like to play it?
That doesnt answer my question so try again. If I want to play basketball what am I lacking?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#555 May 9, 2013
JJJ wrote:
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Again you are being pedantic... So here is AGAIN my answer to your fist question:
The bible itself answers your question.... Adam & Eve were living in a paradise like garden, in perfect health, peace & happiness.... after their error in judgment the simple act of giving into curiosity this is what happens....
So the LORD God said to the serpent,“Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust
all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head, and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labour you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said,“Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you,‘You must not eat from it,’“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Thats not being left out of the cold. Just because they didnt have live in the perfect state that were supposed to doesnt mean they were left out in the cold. Thats your bias (AGAIN) clouding your judgement.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#556 May 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
Thus he's made in the image of the Believer...re-made over and over to suit the whims of the Believer. He's the God of wrath when he's needed to vilify others, he's all love when applied to those a Believer likes/loves.
You're speaking of Christians right and not those that worship the God of Abraham?

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