spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#517 May 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
It clearly says QUOTE = etc.... does it not? So yes you did quote him. Doesnt mean you agreed with what he said though so I shouldnt have acted as such. But thats why I made the comment.
So the whole premise of my argument is based off what he said. Why should religions be banned because they believe in a reward/punishment in the afterlife? This is what he stated should happen. Can you answer why religion should be banned on that basis? The rest of your comment I already answered in the last post. You dont want me to repeat myself do you?
See that button reply?That the one I pushed;)

No I don't think religions should be banned because they believe in the afterlife or reward but the hatred being spread in terms that everybody that does not hold that religion is sinful and bad is just not right.

If your child gets school books that teach all Christians are sinful and will burn forever would you not go to school and demand they take it out of the books?

And no you did not answer me in your last post and just evaded the question like you seem to do alot.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#518 May 8, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
See that button reply?That the one I pushed;)
No I don't think religions should be banned because they believe in the afterlife or reward but the hatred being spread in terms that everybody that does not hold that religion is sinful and bad is just not right.
If your child gets school books that teach all Christians are sinful and will burn forever would you not go to school and demand they take it out of the books?
And no you did not answer me in your last post and just evaded the question like you seem to do alot.
Well where does the bible (and by bible I mean the one that does not include the New testament) does it say that all that do not follow the religion will go to hell?

Of course I would demand it to be removed. Because I dont send my child to school to learn theology. I send them to learn how to read write along with other things. So yes I would demand that it be removed.

I actually answered you lol.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#519 May 8, 2013
Lets see here:

"So why do people have to love god with all their heart?"

I said:

They dont have

YOU SAID:

"What can love or people ever contribute to an all powerful,allknowing perfect god?"

I SAID:

He doesnt need people or their love.

YOU SAID:
If your awnser is nothing then why did god create people in the first place?

MY ANSWER:

For His pleasure

YOU SAID:

You say we are more then a toy...then what would are function/purpose be?

MY ANSWER:

Life is your function. To live life and enjoy. Well let me just leave it to the bible:

28 God blessed them and said to them,“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said,“I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

Theres your purpose is it not?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#520 May 8, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol See you have nothing.
You claim humans have a worth yet you can not come up with a single solid example.
It does not Surprise me that you do not think things through and use humans that are flawed and lacking as examples and try to compare that to a supposedly perfect god that does not lack anything.
A toy soldier is used to play and even learn with and even art so it has a function because humans are lacking but perfect god has no desires because he lacks nothing and so has no use for any of those things.The funny part is that you yourself then say "Thats just humans trying to limit an INFINITE God to humanistic terms"that's just hilarious :P
The only thing you do is use a lot of wordplay and provide absolutely nothing.
Your determination to believe and denial is actually funny and disturbing at the same time.
Wheres the "pure love" talk in the bible? Are you going to show me or just continue rambling on about nothing? Humans function is to LIVE. With that said they ADD nor TAKE AWAY anything from God.

*shrugs*
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#521 May 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
Lets see here:
"So why do people have to love god with all their heart?"
I said:
They dont have
YOU SAID:
"What can love or people ever contribute to an all powerful,allknowing perfect god?"
I SAID:
He doesnt need people or their love.
YOU SAID:
If your awnser is nothing then why did god create people in the first place?
MY ANSWER:
For His pleasure
YOU SAID:
You say we are more then a toy...then what would are function/purpose be?
MY ANSWER:
Life is your function. To live life and enjoy. Well let me just leave it to the bible:
28 God blessed them and said to them,“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said,“I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Theres your purpose is it not?
Not.
Where you go wrong;)
Your answer
For His pleasure
Pleasure= a mental state or physical gain.
Your words "Humans add nothing nor take away from God"
Yet again you have your own argument back in your face.
Life is not a function when its creator has nothing to gain with life and therefor life has nothing to gain;)

You just proved my point bybynow:)
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#522 May 8, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Not.
Where you go wrong;)
Your answer
For His pleasure
Pleasure= a mental state or physical gain.
Your words "Humans add nothing nor take away from God"
Yet again you have your own argument back in your face.
Life is not a function when its creator has nothing to gain with life and therefor life has nothing to gain;)
You just proved my point bybynow:)
A mental or physical gain.del state
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#523 May 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Wheres the "pure love" talk in the bible? Are you going to show me or just continue rambling on about nothing? Humans function is to LIVE. With that said they ADD nor TAKE AWAY anything from God.
*shrugs*
The bible says a lot of bs.The Bible is completely wrong about for example astronomy.It disagrees with centuries of observation so dramatically that it fails at even the most elementary level. http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.sh...
So I'm not taking the bible as a reliable source
*shrugs*
Anyway you are side tracking from the real argument.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#524 May 8, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
So why do people have to love god with all their heart?
What can love or people ever contribute to an all powerful,allknowing perfect god?
If your awnser is nothing then why did god create people in the first place?If your awnser is only god knows then religion does not give any awnsers or purpose about/to human life but just creates a story around the questions of life.
Toy's have a function so what function do humans have?
You say we are more then a toy...then what would are function/purpose be?
If humans would have a function to god that would mean that god would be lacking that function and thus god would not be perfect and thus not god.
Would human life have no function/goal then human life would be pointless and worthless....a perfect god does not do pointless things does he?
You say god has and displays a primitive emotion like anger yet he is portrait as being only pure love...the 2 do not mix.
I could give you many examples about how contradictory your belief in god is but it would fall on deaf ears.
spandexx: "Toy's have a function so what function do humans have?"

Consider this:
Humans function to provide a living biological medium in which our being can exist. And the purpose our being living human beings serves attains what can only be attained in life.
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#525 May 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
I went over this terrible paraphrase of the story you did. But I'll do it again. Now can you answer my questions and not just selectively answer.
1. Where in the OT (since thats where the Adam and Eve story is) does it suggest that Satan leads the world astray for years and years after Adam and Eve?
2. How was Adam and Eve "left for dead when Eve said this AFTER they were kicked out of Eden?
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."
Does this sound like someone that was "left for dead" as you said?
3. I'll ask again, where does the OT suggest that Satan causes people to sin and that by their reactions to Satan's tempting of them?
These are problems with the story you have presented. You added in your personal interpretations that are not located in the OT
My aussumptions are pretty much in agreement with the consensus of most bible scholars..... Satan questioned god's sovereignty and honesty and has used man ever since to play out the battle....

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

God drowned the whole human race bar eight persons, because of the success of the devil...... the bibel states that the incination of a youth is evil from his youth... why because god created him that way?

No apparently as most bible scholars accept it is because he is born in sin due to Adam...

Now you ask for words directly from the bible that state it is Satan's intention to mislead man..etc..

Do you have any insight at all? Has it occurred to that omnipotent god would see into Satan's heart and see what his intention was to be?

Do you even believe in Satan, the fallen angel.....

Every point that you have challenged me on has not been within the parameters of accepted bibel interpretation...

You are being deceitful ir you are deluded becuase in a nutshell give or take a few side tracks this is the bible story....
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#526 May 8, 2013
In the beginning there is god and only god..

After creating the spirit realm and the physical universe out of love he decided to make man in his image...

Again out of love he created a paradise for man to live in and he also created a mate for him...

Along comes Satan, calls god a liar in regard to death being the result of the man's disobedience and instead of god, a perfect complete being n need of no validation or vidication singing 'sticks & stones will break my bones etc.... he condemns Adam & Eve to death... he bans them from the paradise, causes the woman to give birth in pain and for the human race to now grow old and die...

So you can get as technical and semantical as you wish but basically the abve it is...

and yet you still won't give me a straight answer as to why a sane being would allow evil to exist and people to suffer when it is within his power to stop it...other than he can do whatever he wants...
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#527 May 8, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Not.
Where you go wrong;)
Your answer
For His pleasure
Pleasure= a mental state or physical gain.
Your words "Humans add nothing nor take away from God"
Yet again you have your own argument back in your face.
Life is not a function when its creator has nothing to gain with life and therefor life has nothing to gain;)
You just proved my point bybynow:)
Sorry. Lets go over this again

YOU ASKED:
"What is the function of humans in regards to God?"

I ANSWERED:
"Nothing. God does not need humans to exist. They add nothing to God nor do they take away from Him."

And you're telling me that I use wordplay? Creating things for His pleasure is not "adding" something. That means He did something He wanted to do. In the same token, I enjoy playing basketball. Did I add anything to myself by playing?
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#528 May 8, 2013
Well will you at least answer me these questions honestly, no tricks, no semantics, just the truth....

If a mother holding her dying child, knelt in front of you and begged you with her whole being to cure her child..... and it is within your power to do so...

Would you cure the child.....?

If you could clear the planet all pollution instantly with the click of your fingers... would you do it..?

If you could remove war, famine and disease instantly.... would you do it....?

In short ccan you give me any rational reason why you would delay in removing what we perceive today to be evil and suffering...

If you had god's powers would the world today be as it is..... or would it be as the bible promises (falsely as it seems) one day will be... a paradise...

Regardless of the bible says or more to the point regardless of the infinite interpretations of what is says......

In plain simple english.....What would you do Fly?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#529 May 8, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
My aussumptions are pretty much in agreement with the consensus of most bible scholars..... Satan questioned god's sovereignty and honesty and has used man ever since to play out the battle....
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
God drowned the whole human race bar eight persons, because of the success of the devil...... the bibel states that the incination of a youth is evil from his youth... why because god created him that way?
No apparently as most bible scholars accept it is because he is born in sin due to Adam...
Now you ask for words directly from the bible that state it is Satan's intention to mislead man..etc..
Do you have any insight at all? Has it occurred to that omnipotent god would see into Satan's heart and see what his intention was to be?
Do you even believe in Satan, the fallen angel.....
Every point that you have challenged me on has not been within the parameters of accepted bibel interpretation...
You are being deceitful ir you are deluded becuase in a nutshell give or take a few side tracks this is the bible story....
Im not going to waste anymore time responding to you. That is, till you answer the questions posed to you.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#530 May 8, 2013
JJJ wrote:
In the beginning there is god and only god..
After creating the spirit realm and the physical universe out of love he decided to make man in his image...
Again out of love he created a paradise for man to live in and he also created a mate for him...
Along comes Satan, calls god a liar in regard to death being the result of the man's disobedience and instead of god, a perfect complete being n need of no validation or vidication singing 'sticks & stones will break my bones etc.... he condemns Adam & Eve to death... he bans them from the paradise, causes the woman to give birth in pain and for the human race to now grow old and die...
So you can get as technical and semantical as you wish but basically the abve it is...
and yet you still won't give me a straight answer as to why a sane being would allow evil to exist and people to suffer when it is within his power to stop it...other than he can do whatever he wants...
Once you actually respond to what I say instead of repeating yourself over and over then I will reply. Im not going to keep responding to you even at times PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH for you to just ignore what I say to repeat yourself and say "you're not responding. So Till then, adios.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#531 May 8, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, all three of the Abrahamic cults should be wiped out and then there would be peace and prosperity for all
The ONLY reason there is ANY peace and prosperity for more than a few in this world is BECAUSE of widespread Judeo-Christian governing foundation principles.

You should study some history to help alleviate your chronic ignorance.

But then, I'd miss laughing at your stupidity.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#532 May 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Well where does the bible (and by bible I mean the one that does not include the New testament) does it say that all that do not follow the religion will go to hell?.........
Fly old buddy, there is no such thing as a Bible that doesn't include The New Testament.

There are collections of Old Testament scriptures with a couple of titles, but without the New Testament you have no Bible,

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#533 May 8, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
The ONLY reason there is ANY peace and prosperity for more than a few in this world is BECAUSE of widespread Judeo-Christian governing foundation principles.
You have GOT to be kidding me.

ALL the wars in the Middle East have their basis in the same mythology. Three major religions all fighting for control of a crap spot of land.

Have the Buddhists had 2000 years of endless war? No.
Have the Hindus had 2000 years of endless war? No.
Have the Shinto? The Seiks? The Zorastrians? The Wiccans? Nope.

In fact, almost all these groups are only ever at war when one of the Jewish offshoots come and attack them.

I'd be AMAZED if you could find me 10 significant Holy Wars in the last 2000 years that DID NOT involve Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#534 May 8, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Fly old buddy, there is no such thing as a Bible that doesn't include The New Testament.
There are collections of Old Testament scriptures with a couple of titles, but without the New Testament you have no Bible,
What is the Hebrew bible then?

And you have it mixed up. Without the OT you have no bible.
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#535 May 8, 2013
Why are you being so dishonest?

I've responded to all your questions... we disagree on the bible so you feel I have not answered you, fair enough....

so I've even let the bible go..and instead made it personal...and wow look at the response....
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not going to waste anymore time responding to you. That is, till you answer the questions posed to you.
+

I understand why you are upset Fly, because you know without doubt that if you had the powers that you believe that your god has you would not ignore the prayers of mother asking you to cure her child,

You know 100% for certain that if you had the powers you believe your god has would you remove evil from the world....

And the realisation has finally broken through...there can be no justification ever for creating and allowing evil for any reason..

And the dsicomfort you are feeling right now... its called cognitive dissonance...

You see Fly.... we both know that we would not allow suffering to exist when we could remove it.... not even for a dog,

If you stated here that you would ignore the prayers of mother asking for her dying child to be healed when you could cure her....and you were being truthful, then it would be an indication that your are mentally unwell.....

All the best mate.
spandexxx

Voorhout, Netherlands

#536 May 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. Lets go over this again
YOU ASKED:
"What is the function of humans in regards to God?"
I ANSWERED:
"Nothing. God does not need humans to exist. They add nothing to God nor do they take away from Him."
And you're telling me that I use wordplay? Creating things for His pleasure is not "adding" something. That means He did something He wanted to do. In the same token, I enjoy playing basketball. Did I add anything to myself by playing?
The deffinition of wanting
1. Absent; lacking.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wanting
You keep not understanding the fact that god is perfect and lacks nothing.
Him Wanting something means he lacks something or he would not want it.
Yes by playing basketball you learn,play,are social with other people so you get get physical and mental benifits.Thats why children play so much because they (even Unconsciously) develop allot when playing with other children.

But yet again you use human examples that by your own words can not be applied to god.Your words"That's just humans trying to limit an INFINITE God to humanistic terms"

Yes wordplay like using vague terms like the love of your mother supposedly adding something to prove a point.
Your trying to play on emotions rather then being honest.

You say people have a worth yet can not give 1 solid example of that worth and even admit that we have no function to our supposed creator.

Your admitting that god is not perfect and just randomly creates things that he has no need or function for.
And if god is not perfect he is not god.
Your saying god does not exist.

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