Human Sacrifice... right or wrong?
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#476 May 6, 2013
Man has pretty much evolved physically as much as he is going to it would seem.... but we need to evolve spiritually.

You are still stuck back in a mentality where humans believed that the god(s) even the Hebrew god could be appeased with blood sacrifice.....how can you reconcile this?

The OT says that your god enjoys the fatty pieces, the aroma of BBQ..... what ignorance!

And if you still profess belief in this god then your mentality has not progressed past the stage of faith in mass murder and destruction at the hands of a judgmental god.

And you wonder why people are lacking empathy..... Where is your god's empathy? I'll tell you why.

BECAUSE SADLY THE MAJORITY OF THEM STILL EXPRESS FAITH IN A VIOLENT WARMONGERING MUDEROUS GOD.

This god commanded the ancient Hebrews to commit genocide, think about it the murder and slaughter of defenceless women and children where is the empathy in that....

If the bible was truth then this is the god that murdered the whole human race bar eight people and why?? He regretted having made them the bible says Gen 6:6... How does that work Fly?

How does a perfect being have regret? does that mean he erred? That he made a mistake? He made us faulty and instead of fixing it he drowns us!!!! Where is the empathy in that?
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#477 May 6, 2013
I'll tell you what's wrong with the state of man's spirit Fly....

Becasue of religious faith....almost all religous faith men believe that they are made in god's image.... and what's that image for most of them...

A god to be feared, a violent god, a greedy god in that he is jealous, a vengeful god in that he wants exclusive devotion, a hateful god in that he speaks of wrath to be poured out against the non believers.....

And up there in the heavens, the ether, there are no gods threatening one another with mass extermination, competing fo supremacy...

But down here on the planet are all these people who believe in these ficticious gods.... and then have enough of god's qualties of hate, anger, jealousy, violence, revenge, and fear to go around to annihilate the whole human race....
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#478 May 6, 2013
In many of the more enlightened cultures (granted it's all relative) we have laws against racism, antidiscrimination and vilification of minorities etc.....

And yet the same countries still allow religions to exist that openly state that their god is going to destroy billions..and yet all we are saying....

Is give peace a chance

Madness.
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#479 May 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
In many of the more enlightened cultures (granted it's all relative) we have laws against racism, antidiscrimination and vilification of minorities etc.....
And yet the same countries still allow religions to exist that openly state that their god is going to destroy billions..and yet all we are saying....
Is give peace a chance
Madness.
They demand respect for their religion(s)yet preach that anybody who does not believe in their religion is sinful,bad and deserves to burn in hell for eternity....thas nice and respectful.
People should listen more to their own harts instead of listening to a guy in a dress or trying to find answers in some books.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#480 May 7, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you were wrong.
You are assuming that EVERYONE in the town is a different religion than the Jews. That's not the case. It's not the case in the verse. It's not the case in reality.
No do we need to go over it again? It clearly says that if a person leads the town to other gods that the whole town (that was led to other gods) should be put to the sword. Why?

Well, put yourself in their shoes. You were in Egypt in slavery. This Being comes to Moses who then comes to you and tells you about all the signs and wonders that would happen for you to be released from Egypt and it HAPPENS just as He said it would. That would mean the 10 plagues. Then when leaving Egypt you see the Red Sea part for your and your fellow Israelites but fall on theEgyptians. Then, you are wandering thru the wilderness with this bright light leading your way. Then, this same Being makes it to where food rains from the sky 6 days in a row but on the 7th day it does not. Do you not think they owe loyalty to God for these things? Especially since they AGREED to follow Him and His commandments?

So yes you're wrong. Because the context doesnt say ONE PERSON follows another god and then the whole town is destroyed. It says ONE PERSON leads the TOWN astray so the town is destroyed because of it. And it has to do with what I just explained.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#481 May 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you being serious Fly or just pulling my leg?
You are wrong, The very laws of the OT that are supposed to have come from your god prohibit him from doing certain things.
Does not your bible state that god cannot lie? Moral decency dictate that certain things cannot be done.
The laws were for His people to follow. Im sure you understand that God does not need to honor a father/mother or love the Eternal God with all His heart mind and soul right?
JJJ wrote:
Again your Fly your reasoning lacks wisdom.... every murderous despot dictator that has lived has reasoned as you have above
You state that god can do whatever he wants because he is all powerful etc.... but that just makes him a bully.
I said nothing about power. Its just common sense lol. If I create something such as a toy can someone (especially the toy) tell me what to do with it? Just answer. You're not responding to me in the same manner that I am responding to you.
JJJ wrote:
We are not toys for some divine brat that is yet to grow up to play with, to test, to create evil just to see how we handle it...
Your bible, the OT states that man is made in god's image,(of course in reality it is man that has made god in man's image) but for now I'll accept that god made us in his image...
Yes you are more than a toy. But also yes YOU are a creation. So you have to deal with the circumstances the Creator put you in. Whether you agree with it or not.
JJJ wrote:
They are not my words Fly, apparently they were uttered by your god at Gen 1:26...
So that means Fly we, to varying degrees are mirrors of god's image..we mirror his qualities
Yes. Which is why we experience happiness, sadness, love, among other feelings. In your opinion we should make God into our image of Him and just include the "happy" qualities. But sorry, He has wrath. He has anger. It was shown once its being shown again
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#482 May 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
Now again Fly.... a decent loving sane parent does not create evil just to test their children, a decent loving sane parent does not sit back and allow their children to suffer when it is within their power to stop it....
a decent loving sane parent does not turn a deaf ear to his child that is begging to be cured of cancer...
And yet the reality is..... that if your god does in fact exist he is guilty of these very things.
You believe that he creates and allows evil to exist and why......?
Because......<quoted text>... and you see no wrong in this?
I've went over this already. Are you just gonna keep repeating the same thing over and over?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#483 May 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
Man has pretty much evolved physically as much as he is going to it would seem.... but we need to evolve spiritually.
You are still stuck back in a mentality where humans believed that the god(s) even the Hebrew god could be appeased with blood sacrifice.....how can you reconcile this?
The OT says that your god enjoys the fatty pieces, the aroma of BBQ..... what ignorance!
And if you still profess belief in this god then your mentality has not progressed past the stage of faith in mass murder and destruction at the hands of a judgmental god.
And you wonder why people are lacking empathy..... Where is your god's empathy? I'll tell you why.
BECAUSE SADLY THE MAJORITY OF THEM STILL EXPRESS FAITH IN A VIOLENT WARMONGERING MUDEROUS GOD.
This god commanded the ancient Hebrews to commit genocide, think about it the murder and slaughter of defenceless women and children where is the empathy in that....
If the bible was truth then this is the god that murdered the whole human race bar eight people and why?? He regretted having made them the bible says Gen 6:6... How does that work Fly?
How does a perfect being have regret? does that mean he erred? That he made a mistake? He made us faulty and instead of fixing it he drowns us!!!! Where is the empathy in that?
See where you ignored the FACT that the world's problems are not a result of religions but a result of greed, lack of empathy, among other negative qualities? If Im wrong, show it. Quit blaming everything on religion. That is DISHONEST.

So let me ask you this, if God gave life to be used for a certain purpose, can He not take back life if its not used in the purpose He intended? Please answer
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#484 May 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
I'll tell you what's wrong with the state of man's spirit Fly....
Becasue of religious faith....almost all religous faith men believe that they are made in god's image.... and what's that image for most of them...
A god to be feared, a violent god, a greedy god in that he is jealous, a vengeful god in that he wants exclusive devotion, a hateful god in that he speaks of wrath to be poured out against the non believers.....
And up there in the heavens, the ether, there are no gods threatening one another with mass extermination, competing fo supremacy...
But down here on the planet are all these people who believe in these ficticious gods.... and then have enough of god's qualties of hate, anger, jealousy, violence, revenge, and fear to go around to annihilate the whole human race....
What proof do you have that there is no God? I mean what support? What concrete support do you have?

Im bouta stop discussing with you lol. You're dishonest. The problems in the world DO NOT RELY ON RELIGION. In fact if EVERY RELIGION (Whether buddhism, christianity, judaism etc...) was followed to a T the world would be a better place. True or false? If false, tell me why if you do not mind. Meaning explain what the followers in the said religion would be doing that would make the world worse off.

So the problem in the world is not about religion as I said. Its about greed. Its about materialism. Its about a lack of empathy. I've studied some of the major religions such as Hinduism, buddhism, christianity, judaism and islam to name a few. And none of these religions hold these qualities. And I dont even necessarily agree with ANY of these religions but I still see them teaching their adherents to NOT hold the qualities the world actually does. So quit being DISHONEST. The world's problems lies wiht people and the ideals they are brainwashed with by TV, culture, the media etc... This is more prevalent in YOUR country and mine than the third world countries.

If you're going to respond please RESPOND to what I say. Do not skip over what I say to repeat what you have already said
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#485 May 7, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
They demand respect for their religion(s)yet preach that anybody who does not believe in their religion is sinful,bad and deserves to burn in hell for eternity....thas nice and respectful.
People should listen more to their own harts instead of listening to a guy in a dress or trying to find answers in some books.
Your heart can lead you astray lol. I mean take you for example. You admonish ALL of what the gov'ts are doing across the world and blame it on religion lol. Thats you listening to your heart right?

Yes respect their religion. Them stating that you are going to hell does not take away from your life does it? I mean its not real according to you right?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#486 May 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
In many of the more enlightened cultures (granted it's all relative) we have laws against racism, antidiscrimination and vilification of minorities etc.....
And yet the same countries still allow religions to exist that openly state that their god is going to destroy billions..and yet all we are saying....
Is give peace a chance
Madness.
You see the state the world is in, its only going to get worse. Then get better. And it has nothing to do with racism or "discrimination". It has to do with the worlds actions and ideals. And as we gain more and more technology we lose the good qualities that could have made this world a GREAT place.

Again to blame this on religion is being dishonest. I've seen many atheists do it so its no surprise that you are but still I dont like to stereotype lol.

So you care for the world right? Why pollute it with cars when we could find a less destructive way to travel? Like the water engine that was suppressed? Why use oil (a finite resource) when we could improve solar technology? I could go on and on about the negative qualitiesof the world that have NOTHING to do with religion. But they will fall on deaf ears I am afraid

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#487 May 7, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
No do we need to go over it again? It clearly says that if a person leads the town to other gods that the whole town (that was led to other gods) should be put to the sword. Why?
No, you are inserting the idea that someone has led the entire town to a different religion. That is NOT in the quote. Look:

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Setting aside for a moment, that even if you were correct (you aren't) it's still MASS MURDER, nowhere does it say that this applies ONLY if EVERYONE in town follows another religion.

Frankly, this would apply if a preacher has converted just two people to his other religion.
Well, put yourself in their shoes. You were in Egypt in slavery.
The Jews weren't slaves in Egypt.
This Being comes to Moses who then comes to you and tells you about all the signs and wonders that would happen for you to be released from Egypt and it HAPPENS just as He said it would. That would mean the 10 plagues.
This being said to Pharaoh: "Do not let the Jews leave Egypt".
THEN he proceeded to murder Egyptians who were NOT the Pharaoh.
Then Pharaoh finally went against the will of God and let the Jews leave.

Of course, a merciful allpowerful being could have just teleported the Jews somewhere else...
Do you not think they owe loyalty to God for these things? Especially since they AGREED to follow Him and His commandments?
The entire premise of this argument is that the Jews should kill everyone else in the world because everyone else is the wrong religion.

If everyone else had the same blood thirsty mentality, the Jews would have been wiped out long ago.
So yes you're wrong. Because the context doesnt say ONE PERSON follows another god and then the whole town is destroyed. It says ONE PERSON leads the TOWN astray so the town is destroyed because of it. And it has to do with what I just explained.
If God is powerful enough to murder innocent Egyptian children, why does God need Jews to commit genocide against towns which have chosen not to worship a God that commits infanticide for no reason?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#488 May 7, 2013
I think human sacrifice is warranted in one case: fundamentalist religious nuts.

The world would be a better place without them. They hate it here anyway and they want to be with their Maker.

I say let's expedite their journey...:)
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#489 May 7, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Your heart can lead you astray lol. I mean take you for example. You admonish ALL of what the gov'ts are doing across the world and blame it on religion lol. Thats you listening to your heart right?
Yes respect their religion. Them stating that you are going to hell does not take away from your life does it? I mean its not real according to you right?
You must be reading a different text then the 1 i scribbled up.
I did not even mention governments and your statement if hell takes something away from my life because its not real to me could be easily turned back around to say that my not respecting religion does not take away anything from a believers life...i mean its real according to them right?

Religion does not belong to anybody and is a worldly good.
Its like reading a book and giving it a positive or negative review.

If you say that you think eating meat is bad do you now disrespect all meat eaters and butchers?Or are you allowed in a free country to give an opinion about an open subject?

Religious people do not have a monopoly on the truth you know;)
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#490 May 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
I think human sacrifice is warranted in one case: fundamentalist religious nuts.
The world would be a better place without them. They hate it here anyway and they want to be with their Maker.
I say let's expedite their journey...:)
So you devolve into mimicking 1st century Roman Empire 101 tactics?

You're not highly evolved at all. You Revert parrot.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#491 May 7, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be reading a different text then the 1 i scribbled up.
I did not even mention governments and your statement if hell takes something away from my life because its not real to me could be easily turned back around to say that my not respecting religion does not take away anything from a believers life...i mean its real according to them right?
Religion does not belong to anybody and is a worldly good.
Its like reading a book and giving it a positive or negative review.
If you say that you think eating meat is bad do you now disrespect all meat eaters and butchers?Or are you allowed in a free country to give an opinion about an open subject?
Religious people do not have a monopoly on the truth you know;)
I connected your post with the one you quoted. The one you quoted said it should not allow religions to hold those beliefs. I then said what does hell being believed to be real have to do with a person that believes its

I never said anyone had a monopoly of truth either ;)

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#493 May 7, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
So you devolve into mimicking 1st century Roman Empire 101 tactics?
You're not highly evolved at all. You Revert parrot.
I'm really sorry I had sex with your mother, but honestly - it was all her idea.

Now I need to go apologize to her neighbors for making her scream with pleasure all night long.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#494 May 7, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are inserting the idea that someone has led the entire town to a different religion. That is NOT in the quote. Look:
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Setting aside for a moment, that even if you were correct (you aren't) it's still MASS MURDER, nowhere does it say that this applies ONLY if EVERYONE in town follows another religion.
Frankly, this would apply if a preacher has converted just two people to his other religion.
Deuteronomy 16:24
Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.

So each man will die for their own sin EXCEPT in this case in Deuteronomy 13? It clearly says the town has been led astray thus they are to be put to death because of it. Saying "one preacher leads 2 people astray and the whole town is put to death" isnt supported by Deuteronomy 13
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
The Jews weren't slaves in Egypt.
I understand. The Jews is a group of people that adhere to the religion of Judaism. They didnt come till hundreds or thousands of years after the exodus allegedly happened.
Nuggin wrote:
Of course, a merciful allpowerful being could have just teleported the Jews somewhere else...
Why would he have to do it this way?
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
The entire premise of this argument is that the Jews should kill everyone else in the world because everyone else is the wrong religion.
If everyone else had the same blood thirsty mentality, the Jews would have been wiped out long ago.
Nope. Thats bias clouding your judgement. Deuteronomy 13 CLEARLY applies to the Israelites that CHOSE to follow this God and ONLY applies to them in Israel. I thought you said you read the bible?
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
If God is powerful enough to murder innocent Egyptian children, why does God need Jews to commit genocide against towns which have chosen not to worship a God that commits infanticide for no reason?
Well when someone says "yes I will follow you if you help me escape from Egypt" (paraphrase) and then chooses not to follow this God why couldnt this God (that also gave them life and life to all) take back their life?

What does it matter which manner He uses? The end result is the same right?

Since: Sep 07

Inglewood, CA

#495 May 7, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Deuteronomy 16:24
Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.
So each man will die for their own sin EXCEPT in this case in Deuteronomy 13? It clearly says the town has been led astray thus they are to be put to death because of it. Saying "one preacher leads 2 people astray and the whole town is put to death" isnt supported by Deuteronomy 13
<quoted text>
I understand. The Jews is a group of people that adhere to the religion of Judaism. They didnt come till hundreds or thousands of years after the exodus allegedly happened.
<quoted text>
Why would he have to do it this way?
<quoted text>
Nope. Thats bias clouding your judgement. Deuteronomy 13 CLEARLY applies to the Israelites that CHOSE to follow this God and ONLY applies to them in Israel. I thought you said you read the bible?
<quoted text>
Well when someone says "yes I will follow you if you help me escape from Egypt" (paraphrase) and then chooses not to follow this God why couldnt this God (that also gave them life and life to all) take back their life?
What does it matter which manner He uses? The end result is the same right?
So god killed the first born because they were guilty of enslaving the jews not their parents?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#496 May 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm really sorry I had sex with your mother, but honestly - it was all her idea.
Now I need to go apologize to her neighbors for making her scream with pleasure all night long.
Tough to get screams from cremation ashes, my mother's been dead for years and years.
You really have some weird delusions for a necrophiliac pervert.

You didn't get anything on your keyboard.....did you?

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