Human Sacrifice... right or wrong?
Flygerian

United States

#189 Apr 8, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>A lot of Jibberish.
Dont you know when someone is joking, playing with terms...like my description of A&E being tossed out in the cold...?
You need to take some levity refreshers...
What else do you want? You want me to explain how you're assertion that Adam and Eve were forgotten and left in the cold is wrong? Well I did that did I not? Having privileges taken away is not being forgotten or left in the cold
Flygerian

United States

#190 Apr 8, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>As to the How and Why we're here...I cant answer that. But the more I learn about all the details and interconnectedness of Life on this planet - the further and further it pushes away a God/Creator - and most certainly denies the Judeo-Xtian God from being this creative and/or thought out/detailed.
Learning that a tree in an old growth forest is "helping" the smaller ones to grow under its shadows is but one in a few billion of details that any God so far mentioned or described by any Religion ever - is not responsible for any of it. The more we learn the less capable these Gods are of such creativity.
You're not being honest. Why do I say that? Because that "interconnectedness" you speak of shows a Creator. How can a tree help smaller ones by chance? Something made it like that. Something made it to where me and you do not have to go to the moon to get food. Something made it to where man is at the top of the food chain not because of strength or might but because of intelligence. And this leads me to believe that a Higher Power did this. To each his own though. I just dont think its honest to say that you see nature having order but this leads you AWAY to believing in the Creator. But as I said to each his own
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#191 Apr 8, 2013
I don't think "LOL" hurts Punisher's feelings, but it does make you look achingly dumb.
Flygerian wrote:
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I will stop "lol"ing if its hurting your feelings. Sorry
The rest of your comment is something you've already said. Do you want me to repeat what I said?
Flygerian

United States

#192 Apr 8, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I don't think "LOL" hurts Punisher's feelings, but it does make you look achingly dumb.
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I dont care how I look towards you but if putting the three letters makes anyone "dumb" then it says alot about you

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#193 Apr 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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You're not being honest. Why do I say that? Because that "interconnectedness" you speak of shows a Creator. How can a tree help smaller ones by chance? Something made it like that. Something made it to where me and you do not have to go to the moon to get food. Something made it to where man is at the top of the food chain not because of strength or might but because of intelligence. And this leads me to believe that a Higher Power did this. To each his own though. I just dont think its honest to say that you see nature having order but this leads you AWAY to believing in the Creator. But as I said to each his own
I honestly hope that you aren't actually this retarded, because DAMN! This post is DUMB!

I mean... like retards on the short bus pointing at you and laughing _DUMB_.

You HONESTLY believe that the reason that life on _Earth_ consumes food which is also from _Earth_ is because a Jewish Wizard made it that way?! Seriously?!

You can't think of ANY other reason why life on Earth would evolve to consume what it ACTUALLY had access to rather than a location to which I would not have access?

You think that that's MAGIC?

Come on. I know you are from Oklahoma, but f*$k, that is DUMB.
Flygerian

United States

#194 Apr 8, 2013
Were you disappointed that your first comment got no response that you came in to fish for another response?
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#195 Apr 9, 2013
Talking of you being dumb, it's "a lot"...
Flygerian wrote:
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I dont care how I look towards you but if putting the three letters makes anyone "dumb" then it says alot about you
hezzez

Pittsburgh, PA

#196 Apr 9, 2013
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Death is still Heaven
Flygerian

United States

#197 Apr 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Talking of you being dumb, it's "a lot"...
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Who cares? Why not go to someone else and talk about their spelling if you don't want to discuss the topic at hand?
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#198 Apr 9, 2013
Maybe I prefer to correct yours.
Flygerian wrote:
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Who cares? Why not go to someone else and talk about their spelling if you don't want to discuss the topic at hand?

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#199 Apr 9, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I dont care how I look towards you but if putting the three letters makes anyone "dumb" then it says alot about you
Fundie posts are replete with lol's, Dollarsbill and Laci Ann being the two biggest offenders, although in both their cases their laughs are of the manic variety due to the fact they are both bat shit crazy!
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#200 Apr 9, 2013
Guano deserves to be equated with better!
par five wrote:
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Fundie posts are replete with lol's, Dollarsbill and Laci Ann being the two biggest offenders, although in both their cases their laughs are of the manic variety due to the fact they are both bat shit crazy!
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#201 Apr 9, 2013
par five wrote:
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Fundie posts are replete with lol's, Dollarsbill and Laci Ann being the two biggest offenders, although in both their cases their laughs are of the manic variety due to the fact they are both bat shit crazy!
Who cares? What does it matter on an INTERNET forum? Should I correct you using a made up word "fundie"? Of course not! Because I understand what you're saying
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#202 Apr 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Maybe I prefer to correct yours.
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Lol ok Tanto
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#203 Apr 10, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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How is he "enlightened" if he said that people would be eternally punished? How can you give a pass to Jesus but then complain when "God" does it?
No I dont find one more moral than the other. I would think that the NT was less moral. Why? Because it advocates ETERNAL punishment. That I consider WORSE than ANYTHING in the OT. Do you agree?
I'm lost now as to why we are even havig this discussion. My inention from the beginning was to discuss the origins of human sacrifice in the context of the bible especially in regard to the so called 'ransom'sacrifice'.....

I'm of the opinion that the ransom sacrifice is in fact a human sacrifice and my contention was and is.... how can a god that is designated in the bible as being the personfication of love (god IS love) demand such a thing?

How can this god that bible says IS love even think of asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac simply to test his loyalty?

You came back defending the right of the biblical god to give and take life and from that I assumed (it appears now incorrectly) that you support bible.

If you dont support the bible in regard to human sacrifice then we are on the same page. If you don't believe that the bible is 'inspired by god' as in contains god's laws, prophecies etc that were passed onto the bible writers through some supernatural process but instead is a book written by men containing men's ideas well even better

As to eternal punishment etc.... I don't believe in any of it. We reap what we sow....its as simple as that, cause and effect.

So I'm not sure where you stand on this discussion..
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#204 Apr 10, 2013
I'm only discussing the subject in the hope that I can help people see through the brainwash that religion is, to see how dysfunctional religious belief can be....

Rather than attack people's intelligence or express my own opinions as to faith I attempt to appeal to logic, honesty and common sense.

I believe that the ransom sacrifice doctrine is about the best place to start for surely no sane person would agree with human sacrifice...and yet this is exactly what the ransom sacrifice is..

By expressing faith in the ransom sacrifice we are in fact still practicing human sacrifice symbolically.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#205 Apr 10, 2013
JJJ wrote:
I'm only discussing the subject in the hope that I can help people see through the brainwash that religion is, to see how dysfunctional religious belief can be....
Rather than attack people's intelligence or express my own opinions as to faith I attempt to appeal to logic, honesty and common sense.
I believe that the ransom sacrifice doctrine is about the best place to start for surely no sane person would agree with human sacrifice...and yet this is exactly what the ransom sacrifice is..
By expressing faith in the ransom sacrifice we are in fact still practicing human sacrifice symbolically.
But you are incorrect.
I participate with millions and millions of others in a symbolic cannibalistic sacrifice ritual every week, or more often.
While you are stuck with a brainwashed dysfunctional opinion.

The big difference IS.....we are right and you are not.
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#206 Apr 10, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>I celebrate The Resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Savior.
"While our sins would have made it impossible for us to share in the life of God, Jesus Christ was sent to remove this obstacle. His death was a sacrifice for our sins..
Pray tell... what sins are you guilty of that are that heinous, that the god of love cannot forgive unless he is offered a human sacrifice?

Have you inherited Adam's sin... How did Adam sin?

Apparently Adam only become aware of right and wrong after he ate from the tree.... up until that point he was like an infant in fact he did not even know that he was naked until he ate from tree...

And yet xstians believe that his disobedience, his simple curiosity was sooo evil that only the sacrifice of a human life could restore the balance...

If we come across this doctrine in any other religious book other than that of our own faith.... we would have no problems seeing the absurdity.

Beleiving in the ransom, huan sacrifice... eating a bit of wafer.... actions more befitting of much older ignorant times,
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#207 Apr 10, 2013
And even if the whole garden of Eden saga is nothing more than a parable, a fairy tale with a talking snake thrown in for good measure it still makes no sense...

Poor old Adam, a new born (in relative terms to the supernatural being Satan) gets the death penalty with hard labour for 930 years until it comes for a mistake, not premediated evil intent ....

But the Devil, a spirit creature that lived along side god, the one that was guilty of premediatated evil...

Yeah he gets the death penalty also but rather than 930 years of hard labour....

He gets the keys to the city, the red carpet rolled out...rock star treatment.

He gets almost unlimited supernatural powers, authority over the planet, untold wealth and power he is made the god of this world for what.... seven thousand years and counting..?

Yeah that's justice.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#208 Apr 11, 2013
JJJ wrote:
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I'm lost now as to why we are even havig this discussion. My inention from the beginning was to discuss the origins of human sacrifice in the context of the bible especially in regard to the so called 'ransom'sacrifice'.....

I'm of the opinion that the ransom sacrifice is in fact a human sacrifice and my contention was and is.... how can a god that is designated in the bible as being the personfication of love (god IS love) demand such a thing?

How can this god that bible says IS love even think of asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac simply to test his loyalty?
You came back defending the right of the biblical god to give and take life and from that I assumed (it appears now incorrectly) that you support bible.
If you dont support the bible in regard to human sacrifice then we are on the same page. If you don't believe that the bible is 'inspired by god' as in contains god's laws, prophecies etc that were passed onto the bible writers through some supernatural process but instead is a book written by men containing men's ideas well even better
As to eternal punishment etc.... I don't believe in any of it. We reap what we sow....its as simple as that, cause and effect.
So I'm not sure where you stand on this discussion..
If you want to talk of human sacrifice than you need to speak on your friend Jesus who you said was enlightened. His followers are the ones that believe in human sacrifice (not the only religious group though).

Why is God only love? Because you say? How can a God "love" but NEVER EVER stand up to those that oppose His love? I doubt you will answer because you havent really addressed my points. Just continued repeating your stance over and over. No offense but thats how I've seen it.

I dont support human sacrifice thats correct. I do not believe Jesus died as a ransom sacrifice either. I do believe in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

Yes we reap what we sow to an extent. But what about the elite? Do they? I mean the people running this country and world. That control the wars that go on and so forth. How do they reap what they sow? Again I dont think you will answer but maybe someone reading will

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