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#1 Feb 22, 2012
If Bob rapes a baby, with a cactus, then gets saved afterwards and dies...does he get to go to heaven?

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#2 Mar 1, 2012
Yes. Jesus forgives all sin through grace not works. Once you are saved through belief in Jesus Christ the old you is made new, your sins are wiped away. You are a new creation.
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#3 Mar 1, 2012
"A long and wicked life followed by five minutes of perfect grace gets you into Heaven. An equally long life of decent living and good works followed by one outburst of taking the name of the Lord in vain - then have a heart attack at that moment and be damned for eternity. Is that the system?" ~Robert A. Heinlein

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#4 Mar 1, 2012
Yacob Jacob wrote:
If Bob rapes a baby, with a cactus, then gets saved afterwards and dies...does he get to go to heaven?
You could give a more decent example, but the fact is.

All sin are washed away/forgiven by:

a) repenting

b) baptizing in the name of Christ

c) following the gospel, not wilfully sinning again: doing good works - charity, neighbourly ,love etc. Known as 'works'.
Following means: following the commandments and the doctrine.

Through grace we are all called to repent and baptize.
CO2 8: 9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
EPH 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

BORN AGAIN
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
JOH 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

MAT 18: 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
PE1 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

ONE BAPTISM NO MORE REMISSION FOR SIN
HEB 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
HEB 10: 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

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#5 Mar 1, 2012
Big Al wrote:
"A long and wicked life followed by five minutes of perfect grace gets you into Heaven. An equally long life of decent living and good works followed by one outburst of taking the name of the Lord in vain - then have a heart attack at that moment and be damned for eternity. Is that the system?" ~Robert A. Heinlein
A long and wicked life followed by five minutes of perfect grace gets you into Heaven.?

No, it takes, reading, understanding, believing, then repenting, then baptizing to be born again of water: this is not five minutes but a few years for some.

An equally long life of decent living and good works followed by one outburst of taking the name of the Lord in vain - then have a heart attack at that moment and be damned for eternity. Is that the system?

Well, deliberately sinning again indeed, is death: so says the holy ghost to us. Read the below to understand that Lukewarm is dead. God will spit you out.

ONE BAPTISM NO MORE REMISSION FOR SIN
HEB 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
HEB 10: 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...

LUKEWARM HOT COLD - JESUS SPEAKING TO A CHURCH
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...
REV 3: 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
REV 3: 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

TRANSGRESSION AGAINST ALL THE COMMANDMENTS
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...

JAM 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
JAM 2: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
FSM

Toorak, Australia

#6 Mar 1, 2012
Yacob Jacob wrote:
If Bob rapes a baby, with a cactus, then gets saved afterwards and dies...does he get to go to heaven?
According to fundies, Bob will be in heaven. I'm so glad that I'm going to hell. ;)
FSM

Toorak, Australia

#7 Mar 1, 2012
Cliff09 wrote:
A long and wicked life followed by five minutes of perfect grace gets you into Heaven.?
No, it takes, reading, understanding, believing, then repenting, then baptizing to be born again of water: this is not five minutes but a few years for some.
An equally long life of decent living and good works followed by one outburst of taking the name of the Lord in vain - then have a heart attack at that moment and be damned for eternity. Is that the system?
Well, deliberately sinning again indeed, is death: so says the holy ghost to us. Read the below to understand that Lukewarm is dead. God will spit you out.
ONE BAPTISM NO MORE REMISSION FOR SIN
HEB 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
HEB 10: 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...
LUKEWARM HOT COLD - JESUS SPEAKING TO A CHURCH
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...
REV 3: 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
REV 3: 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
TRANSGRESSION AGAINST ALL THE COMMANDMENTS
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...
JAM 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
JAM 2: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
How many good works did the thief on the cross have to his name?

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#8 Mar 1, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>How many good works did the thief on the cross have to his name?
An even-more interesting question: what was a thief up on a cross for to begin with? Theft was not punishable by crucifying in the Roman empire.

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#9 Mar 1, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>How many good works did the thief on the cross have to his name?
If a judge pardons a criminal because he agreed to give testimony against fellow criminal it does not mean to say that the crimes the criminal committed are lawful or acceptable to society.

So, the pardon of Jesus to the thief was because the thief there and then confessed, saying: this man has no evil; he innocent - but we are guilty and deserve to be here. Doing this he confessed his guilt and Jesus' innocence: and therefore Jesus assured him that that very night he'd be in heaven with him.

So, in this event, only these two good work ( defending Jesus and confessing his own wrong doings ) gained him salvation. He is just a lucky guy!


Logic?

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
Nation of Imbeciles

Nantong, China

#10 Mar 1, 2012
twinertia wrote:
<quoted text>
An even-more interesting question: what was a thief up on a cross for to begin with? Theft was not punishable by crucifying in the Roman empire.
Again, this is a bad translation. It would be more accurate to translate the Greek here as an 'insurrectionist'. The man was guilty of treason and conspiracy against the Roman empire. Now that was punishable by death on a cross.

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#12 Mar 2, 2012
Nation of Imbeciles wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, this is a bad translation. It would be more accurate to translate the Greek here as an 'insurrectionist'. The man was guilty of treason and conspiracy against the Roman empire. Now that was punishable by death on a cross.
Speculation and elitism on your part. YOU'VE got it "right", but thousands of scholars and linguists CONTINUE to get it wrong?

Why is "God's word" so incredibly chock-full of inaccuracies and mistranslations?
whydoyouask

Las Vegas, NV

#13 Mar 2, 2012
First of all, why ask questions that you care not the answer to, and/or would never do anything good about?
Let's make it all clear for no reason why don't we. Nothing good made us, impossible, there are good guys out there, they want to help.
All really is forgiven by them at least, why? They know what we really are, not to mention our complete lack of choice in the matter of doing right and wrong, especially during these times.
Not to say that nothing will be done by them though, forgiveness does not mean allowing it to continue the way that it is whatsoever, in fact if revenge is your game then all will be completely fulfilled, the change will be horrific for the worst of us won't it?
Furthermore the lake of fire is not what people think that it is, nothing more than a change, even for all of the little horned guys running around here. How could you throw "death" into the lake of fire at all by the way, there is no guy in a hood with a scythe that can be thrown into the lake of fire, and if you threw death into the lake of fire what would you be doing with people who die, what? destroying death? Or changing it? When you can percieve "love" you will know what this would mean. Doesn't it say somewhere else in there that none are left behind or something?
So, instead of just wallking around and babeling all of the time, seek with an earnest heart with all of your heart, you don't have anything as fulfulling to do than that anyway, it's why everything becomes so dreadfully stale all of the time. And in the process it completely pisses you off and drives you actually insane.
Because what is most valued in the place of love(heaven), when the bad becomes good, it is actually called one of the most valuable things to them.
And even further still there isn't even a "heaven" in the bible, there are places of course, however, it says that we die, as we all know that we do right?. And then are somehow "resurrected" at a later time, where? on earth. Although it is to become a "new place to be" in this book.
But how could one ever reconcile all of the evil that has happened to us and by us when it comes to being created by a being of pure love and wisdom, you just can't is all that there is to it. I suppose that "they" really do have a right and left side, not a split personality, all lost in translation, not to mention when disheartened little children read such chopped up garbage they scoff like they have never scoffed before, never even realizing that nothing good ever written even said that.
But there are those of love and wisdom, and they want to help.
Here is something to get you going, unicorns are not unicorns, they are rhinoceros.
And the bible never told any of us to save anyone, seeing as how we are the ones that need saving right? There is no winning of souls, not if everything has already been won right, or should I say done and not won.
Which bible were you reading twin? Mind if I call you twin?
It's an old writing, and we all know who's had it the whole time right? Doesn't really matter though, they pick whomever they want, because they remember what is, these men wouldn't even need a book would they?
You might just say that people were writing down what they were or perhaps who they were, I don't really care which at this point.
And furthermore, if the older better translated and understood "bibles" are not true, well then, whats the point of talking about it anyway? Because what was written in them was our only true hope.

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#14 Mar 11, 2012
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>You could give a more decent example, but the fact is.

All sin are washed away/forgiven by:

a) repenting

b) baptizing in the name of Christ

c) following the gospel, not wilfully sinning again: doing good works - charity, neighbourly ,love etc. Known as 'works'.
Following means: following the commandments and the doctrine.

Through grace we are all called to repent and baptize.
CO2 8: 9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
EPH 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

BORN AGAIN
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
JOH 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

MAT 18: 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
PE1 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

ONE BAPTISM NO MORE REMISSION FOR SIN
HEB 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
HEB 10: 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...

----------

- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
Yeah, I remind my Jewish girlfriend all the time, how her people will be burning in hell. Hitler, on the other hand, if he got saved, will be in heaven.

Point is, it's like dating a fat chick....it makes me look even better.
Theo

Germany

#15 Mar 11, 2012
ussmen, you will go to hell where your lord satan exists, it is not in heaven. It is like dogma.
Native

Lancaster, PA

#16 Mar 11, 2012
Unless a PERSON is born again he will NOT enter heaven
Native

Lancaster, PA

#19 Mar 11, 2012
Ye must be BORN AGAIN!!
Native

Lancaster, PA

#21 Mar 11, 2012
U MUST be BORN AGAIN!!!

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#23 Mar 12, 2012
YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN

JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
JOH 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

MAT 18: 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
PE1 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

ONE BAPTISM NO MORE REMISSION FOR SIN
HEB 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
HEB 10: 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...

Cliff's lair tells It All

Since: May 11

Marietta, GA

#25 Mar 13, 2012
Fra N wrote:
CHRISTIAN YOUTH DESTROYED
10. WE HAVE FOOLED, BEMUSED AND CORRUPTED THE YOUTH OF THE "GOYIM" BY REARING THEM IN PRINCIPLES AND THEORIES WHICH ARE KNOWN TO US TO BE FALSE ALTHOUGH IT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCULCATED.
11. Above the existing laws without substantially altering them, and by merely twisting them into contradictions of interpretations, we have erected something grandiose in the way of results. These results found expression in the fact that the INTERPRETATIONS MASKED THE LAW: afterwards they entirely hid them from the eyes of the governments owing to the impossibility of making anything out of the tangled web of legislation.
12. This is the origin of the theory of course of arbitration.
13. You may say that the GOYIM will rise upon us, arms in hand, if they guess what is going on before the time comes; but in the West we have against this a manoeuvre of such appalling terror that the very stoutest hearts quail - the undergrounds, metropolitans, those subterranean corridors which, before the time comes, will be driven under all the capitals and from whence those capitals will be blown into the air with all their organizations and archives.
Hey there Fra N Ken Stein,

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got any original sh`t there in yo grist mill?
Preacher

Cicero, IL

#27 Dec 26, 2012
Getting into Heaven takes MORE than just grace and faith! In fact, very few Christians, even hard core Christians know this, but entry into Heaven and avoiding Hell requires both faith in Jesus AND good, righteous works/behaviors!(Matthew 7:21-23)

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