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Jeff

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#398
Mar 23, 2013
 
John from Texas wrote:
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I don't think that is the atheist position. You have been grossly misinformed. I suspect atheist have just as much love as anyone (if not more) and are probably more apt to sacrifice their lives than scared cowardly fundamentalist Christians.
I'm referring to the implications of atheism. If the atheist was truly to live up to the implications of his atheism he would know his life is ultimately meaningless. It would be foolish for an atheist to sacrifice their lives for someone given it would not ultimately matter and this is the only life they have.
Jeff

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Mar 23, 2013
 
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So if an atheist DOES care about others and gains no eternal reward for it, then it seems to me there's something fundamentally heroic about him, and it doesn't say much for the motives of religious people. You're implying that because life is finite, there's no reason for a person to act with benevolence? Maybe "being good" has INTRINSIC value, and the Golden Rule simply makes good sense, whether there's a deity watching or not. I've always thought that was the case. Integrity is what you do when NOBODY's looking, isn't it? Do we require carrot and stick if we're mature? If we act out of either fear of punishment or hope of reward, that's pretty hollow virtue.
If the atheist does care for others its not because of anything in atheism that compels him. In fact it foolish to sacrifice yourself if you only have one life and it ultimately does not matter anyway.
We all have to have reasons to do good or evil. We are by nature motivated by reward of some kind. There is nothing wrong with that and its not being hollow to admit it.

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Mar 23, 2013
 
Ruthless Misotheist wrote:
I hate, hate, hate, hate you Christ-loving Christian b@st@rds with a flaming passion. You all are the most hateful, close-minded, hypocritical, judgemental pieces of fcking $hit one could ever meet, and it's funny how YOU Christians are so quick to condemn the towel-heads for all the evil that they've done, but YOU Christians are guilty of doing horrible things as well, for example, the Inquisition, burning the "witches," and the genocide of Native Americans.
I also hate, hate, hate, hate, hate God, always have, always will, and he deserves to be hated. I hate God for three reasons. The first one is, I used to pray, pray, and pray, and not once did he answer my prayers, I was ignored each and everytime, and I resented him for that. The other reason I harbor hate towards God is because there's suffering in the world, and God, an all-powerful being who possesses the power to end all the suffering in this world, does absolutely nothing at all, and instead sits back and allows suffering to remain in this world. It's as though he cares nothing for mankind. The last reason I hate God is due to the fact that I read parts of the Bible where God slaughtered millions upon millions of people (himself), he even took the lives of children, and he ordered his followers to take the lives of others as well, and I've come to the conclusion that God is a murderous, infanticial, pro-genocidal, bloodthirsty, immoral, menevolent being.
I would be rather surprised if unbeleivers did not hate us or God .
It would be stupid of me to explain to you .why God killed all those people .. throwing pearls before you-- so you can trample them underfoot would not be very smart of me..

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Mar 23, 2013
 
i will give you GREAT BIG hintS though why God killed all those people DURING OLD TESTAMENT TIMES .. it was for the same reason God would not let Adam and Eve eat from the tree of life !And MADE THEM LEAVE THE GARDEN..

IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH GODS "LOVE" FOR THEM AND ALL PEOPLE AND A CERTAIN SAVIOR FROM SIN COMMING ONE DAY..

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#402
Mar 24, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Why would atheist give or care if ultimately it does not matter?
It does matter while we are still alive, don't you get it..Ask any poor hunger person going to a food bank if it matters a good seminarian gave them food when they were hungry..Your warped mind tells you all atheists are uncaring about people less fortunate than themselves because your stupid book says they are..
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<quoted text>After all, when you die you cease to exist and are forgotten.
I doubt you will ever find an Atheist that will tell you they "know" there is no intelligent entity that created the universe..On the other hand, you will find many (including myself) that will tell you they "know" there is no intelligent, supernatural entity responsible for the existence of the so called ancient sacred text.
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<quoted text>Why would it matter? You should just live for yourself since this is the only life you got. Once its over, its over forever. I don't get it.
You can't see the forest through the trees because you've allowed your mind to be hijacked by your antique book for that comfortable feeling it gives you..
Reality

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Mar 24, 2013
 
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>In fact it foolish to sacrifice yourself if you only have one life and it ultimately does not matter anyway.
Only in your mind is it foolish for someone to sacrifice themselves to help others..

What's foolish is shutting down your mind to the collective knowledge humans have gained, and believing an old book full of impossible things. Take away that promise of eternal life in bliss your book offers, and you wouldn't believe it yourself..That, and only that is the catalyst drives you to irrational thinking..
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#404
Mar 30, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Your God is the one who slaughtered millions of people, many of them included infants, and he often ordered his followers to take the lives of others as well..... and even after he did all this, you Christ lovers claim that your God is love. What deluded morons you all truly are, smh...
God is just and holy. He always warns people before judgment comes.

People bring calamity upon themselves due to their choices.
Thinking

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Phoenix wrote:
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God is just and holy. He always warns people before judgment comes.
People bring calamity upon themselves due to their choices.
Phoenix

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#406
Apr 1, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>How does god warn miscarried foetuses?
Ask Him.
Thinking

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#407
Apr 2, 2013
 
I don't consort with child murderers. You ask him.
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Ask Him.

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Apr 2, 2013
 
Jeff wrote:
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If the atheist does care for others its not because of anything in atheism that compels him. it foolish to sacrifice yourself if you only have one life and it ultimately does not matter anyway.
Altruism. AFAIAC it's all down to "doing the right thing" at that moment in time.
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We all have to have reasons to do good or evil.
AFAIAC "Good" & "Evil" only exist from a theistic point of view.
Jeff wrote:
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We are by nature motivated by reward of some kind. There is nothing wrong with that and its not being hollow to admit it.
Perhaps feeling good about doing something is reward enough.
Phoenix

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Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>I don't consort with child murderers. You ask him.
Then don't ask questions when you don't desire an answer to begin with.
Thinking

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#410
Apr 2, 2013
 
So you accept that your god, if it exists, is a child murderer.

So why do you worship a child murderer?
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Then don't ask questions when you don't desire an answer to begin with.
Phoenix

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#411
Apr 2, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>So you accept that your god, if it exists, is a child murderer.

So why do you worship a child murderer?
I don't believe He is.
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#412
Apr 2, 2013
 
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Theres no God he died like any Humans
Thinking

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Apr 2, 2013
 
Then he is not all powerful?
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I don't believe He is.

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Jeff wrote:
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Give me one example of a lie I have presented? Keep in mind that if you cannot produce one lie from me you are not only guilty of lying but slander. Ball is in your court.
Just a sampling of your lies:

You have stated that anyone who discounts the historical lies in the book of lies they have to discount >>ALL<< of history. That's a >>>STUPID<<< lie.

You have stated that others beliefs are "a hodge-podge of make believe nonsense". Which is another >>>STUPID<<< lie, since you don't even know what the other person's beliefs are.

You have stated that you object to homosexuality because it forces you to pay higher health premiums. A blatant and bigoted irresponsible lie.

You have repeatedly tried to paint atheists as having no morals. Yet ANOTHER hate driven bigoted lie.

I have more, but I know you will only come back with MORE of your twisted deceit and lies to try slithering out of these lies you got caught in.

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Jeff wrote:
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No. Atheists can live lives with integrity but they can't justify their doing so by their atheism. Atheism as a worldview is bankrupt. It cannot explain anything nor does it inspire people to do great things like sacrificing their lives for atheism for example.
Prove it.

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I would be rather surprised if unbeleivers did not hate us or God .
It would be stupid of me to explain to you .why God killed all those people .. throwing pearls before you-- so you can trample them underfoot would not be very smart of me..
So you cannot defend the evil murderous obsession of your wrath driven demonic "god", got it.
Phoenix

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Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Then he is not all powerful?
I believe He is.

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