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John the Sceptic

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If God loves us and knows who is going to Hell and who isn't, why create the hell bounders in the first place. Burning forever seems a very harsh punishment even for the sins of a lifetime
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Many self-titled Christians say the the Jews are forever to be punished for the murder of Christ. Didn't the Romans actually do the killing? They obviously viewed Christ as a threat and in my view would have done the deed with or with-out the Jews. Why aren't they blamed as much as the Jews? It's ironic that one of the church's main head quarters is Rome, the birthplace of Christ's co-killers.

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John the Sceptic wrote:
If God loves us and knows who is going to Hell and who isn't, why create the hell bounders in the first place. Burning forever seems a very harsh punishment even for the sins of a lifetime
The concept of infinite punishment for finite "crime" is completely immoral.

Ya nailed it, John.

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twinertia wrote:
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The concept of infinite punishment for finite "crime" is completely immoral.
Ya nailed it, John.
Applause!

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God gives all men and women free will to choose Him or to reject Him. To choose the free gift of Salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. In actuality God doesn't send anyone to Hell,we pretty much send ourselves by rejecting Him and the gift of Salvation through His Son. Hell was created for Satan and his minions, not man.When we reject God and the gift of Salvation through His Son, its like giving Satan an open invitation to take hold of and control us. Either God will be your Master or Satan will...basically and if Satan then we go where he is going which is eternal Hell fire.
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ms_tickled wrote:
God gives all men and women free will to choose Him or to reject Him. To choose the free gift of Salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. In actuality God doesn't send anyone to Hell,we pretty much send ourselves by rejecting Him and the gift of Salvation through His Son. Hell was created for Satan and his minions, not man.When we reject God and the gift of Salvation through His Son, its like giving Satan an open invitation to take hold of and control us. Either God will be your Master or Satan will...basically and if Satan then we go where he is going which is eternal Hell fire.
I disagree. Some simply do not know God YET. Some claim to know God but still align themselves with Satan. Satan does not go after easy picking....

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John the Sceptic wrote:
If God loves us and knows who is going to Hell and who isn't, why create the hell bounders in the first place. Burning forever seems a very harsh punishment even for the sins of a lifetime
Why? Because God wants to make His wrath and power known (Romans 9:22). He does whatever He pleases (Psalm 115:3). The Lord has made all for Himself, yes even the wicked for the day of doom (Proverbs 16:4).

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ms_tickled wrote:
God gives all men and women free will to choose Him or to reject Him. To choose the free gift of Salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. In actuality God doesn't send anyone to Hell,we pretty much send ourselves by rejecting Him and the gift of Salvation through His Son. Hell was created for Satan and his minions, not man.When we reject God and the gift of Salvation through His Son, its like giving Satan an open invitation to take hold of and control us. Either God will be your Master or Satan will...basically and if Satan then we go where he is going which is eternal Hell fire.
God, his son, Satan, Hell and eternal Hell fire. That's quite a lot to take in, but before I do, would you like to offer some kind of proof for the existence of these beings, and this place called Hell? I am sure you understand that it is only common sense to ask for proof in order to avoid enthusiastically diving headlong into something, only to find that it is a load of crap! Thank you.

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par five wrote:
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God, his son, Satan, Hell and eternal Hell fire. That's quite a lot to take in, but before I do, would you like to offer some kind of proof for the existence of these beings, and this place called Hell? I am sure you understand that it is only common sense to ask for proof in order to avoid enthusiastically diving headlong into something, only to find that it is a load of crap! Thank you.
Creation itself testifies that there is a God. Common sense should tell you that it didn't just evolve on its own. If you don't believe that there is a God, His Son and a devil....God's says that you are a "fool" Psalms 14:1.
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ms_tickled wrote:
God gives all men and women free will to choose Him or to reject Him. To choose the free gift of Salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. In actuality God doesn't send anyone to Hell,we pretty much send ourselves by rejecting Him and the gift of Salvation through His Son. Hell was created for Satan and his minions, not man.When we reject God and the gift of Salvation through His Son, its like giving Satan an open invitation to take hold of and control us. Either God will be your Master or Satan will...basically and if Satan then we go where he is going which is eternal Hell fire.
So explain the Doctrine of Election..? No choice if its already determined..
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ms_tickled wrote:
<quoted text>Creation itself testifies that there is a God. Common sense should tell you that it didn't just evolve on its own.

If you don't believe that there is a God, His Son and a devil....God's says that you are a "fool" Psalms 14:1.
No it doesn't. That's just your faith-based opinion, its not a proved thing whatsoever.

Common sense tells me that magic isn't real, and neither are your gods. Common sense has nothing to do with faith based systems - nothing!

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Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>So explain the Doctrine of Election..? No choice if its already determined..
If you are referring to Calvinism it is an assaulting force, fighting against righteousness, it is heresy.
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There is no hell as Christianity teaches.
Hell is just a state of mind.
So is heaven.
The highest state is Buddhahood.
Chant to reach this state.

http://www.nichiren-shu.org/index.html
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Yes, if you are on highest state.. so maybe such highest state should not be such ID highest form state, which is just happy about him selves experiences, but really highest state can also life trough with such highest state coming skills in the middle of hell and feel pity feelings, because being one with those living in darkness trough consciousness emphatics quantum field and so naturally trying bear them from them pit upwards with his light to enjoy also about highest state awareness. So there is maybe “like be” something high "highest state" (which will not help others, because is not on highest state, but just say, because so Id can wear him selves to be like) and then there is someone sometimes on millenniums, who is enough over on wide consciousness eye side to be 6 and so is teaching that wholly humans nature "everything in everything" become to ideal safe side from predators fields.

And then I must again hear them worries, agony and pity opinions from radio etc. when to them is not possible even understand them own worries and deceitful not care reporters comments. THEY should hear me, but i must hear them and go do work to them. some potatoes producer maybe will put me bear his potatoes and talk about IT with him which is just the same, like be pilot in army or whatsoever.
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ms_tickled wrote:
<quoted text>If you are referring to Calvinism it is an assaulting force, fighting against righteousness, it is heresy.
Calvinism is heresy? Really? Are you a Catholic? If not what Protestant sect do you align with..?

BTW; The D of E is not ONLY Calvinistic...

And when you make a claim like heresy, it would show you to be more than a Propagandist Xtian to maybe support that accusation, just a little...no need for a diatribe...just some background...

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ms_tickled wrote:
God gives all men and women free will to choose Him or to reject Him. To choose the free gift of Salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. In actuality God doesn't send anyone to Hell,we pretty much send ourselves by rejecting Him and the gift of Salvation through His Son. Hell was created for Satan and his minions, not man.When we reject God and the gift of Salvation through His Son, its like giving Satan an open invitation to take hold of and control us. Either God will be your Master or Satan will...basically and if Satan then we go where he is going which is eternal Hell fire.
You.. are rejected.

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ms_tickled wrote:
<quoted text>Creation itself testifies that there is a God. Common sense should tell you that it didn't just evolve on its own. If you don't believe that there is a God, His Son and a devil....God's says that you are a "fool" Psalms 14:1.
No, the bible that was written by men says that. You still haven't provided any verifiable evidence for the existence of your god. "Because it says so in the bible", doesn't count! BTW, I have often noticed that when you fundies call people fools, as you just did, or make some other derogatory remark, you lay the blame for that at the door of your god. Do you always let imaginary beings do your thinking for you, because if you believe that your god thinks I am a fool, then it stands to reason that you think it also. Why do you not say outright that it is what you think, instead of saying it via a third party, an imaginary one at that?

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par five wrote:
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No, the bible that was written by men says that. You still haven't provided any verifiable evidence for the existence of your god. "Because it says so in the bible", doesn't count! BTW, I have often noticed that when you fundies call people fools, as you just did, or make some other derogatory remark, you lay the blame for that at the door of your god. Do you always let imaginary beings do your thinking for you, because if you believe that your god thinks I am a fool, then it stands to reason that you think it also. Why do you not say outright that it is what you think, instead of saying it via a third party, an imaginary one at that?
Contrary to what you may think and say here the Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God. And in that Word God calls you who don't believe that He exist a straight up FOOL. Which also means ignorant, ignorant to what? God's knowledge. My People are destroyed for lack of knowledge....Hosea 4:6.

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Calvinism is heresy. Calvinism teaches that Christ died for only the elect(those who are saved) and not for anybody else. According to Scripture God wants all men to be saved and the Lord Jesus Christ died for all men.(1Tim 2:3-6--Hebrews 2:9) And Romans 5:19 alone refutes Calvinism!

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Namu Myoho Renge Kyo wrote:
There is no hell as Christianity teaches.
Hell is just a state of mind.
So is heaven.
The highest state is Buddhahood.
Chant to reach this state.
http://www.nichiren-shu.org/index.html
There is a Hell....you have been brainwashed by the devil into believing its non-existent. Volcano's are a hint alone that the Pit is blazing beneath the earths core. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that whenever there is a fire burning in any enclosed type of thing...then duh! you need a vent or else explosion will occur.

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