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#21 Dec 3, 2012
Just to make it all clear; atheists seeks knowledge thru the findings of science, it is hardly about belief it is much more solid than that.
Jack

San Jose, CA

#22 Dec 3, 2012
Mr Ironhart wrote:
Just to make it all clear; atheists seeks knowledge thru the findings of science, it is hardly about belief it is much more solid than that.
Christians also seek knowledge through science. Its seems that the atheist-skeptic is very limited about what she can understand since she thinks knowledge can only be gained through science.

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Made in Yorkshire

#23 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Because atheism needs to make a positive case for itself if its to be taken as true.

AFAIAC atheism is true until people like you provide evidence which supports your deity claims beyond all reasonable doubt.

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#24 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Its seems that the atheist-skeptic is very limited about what she can understand since she thinks knowledge can only be gained through science.
No, it's merely the best way of obtaining knowledge. It WORKS.

Religion (or 'divine revelation'), on the other hand, has never worked as a means to gain knowledge.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#25 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Because atheism needs to make a positive case for itself if its to be taken as true.
I believe in many things, but what I do believe in has nothing to do with the supernatural. Anyway, atheist is just a word to describe someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or gods. It tells you absolutely nothing more than that about the person. Atheism is not a belief system no matter what you may say. I do not have the baggage that comes with being a Christian with your belief in magic and the supernatural. Having such beliefs it is you who needs to make a positive case in order for your beliefs to be taken seriously. Atheism has no need to make a positive case for itself to be taken as true, the word is self- explanatory, just as it is when someone says they are American or Italian. A belief system, or making a case for it doesn't have any relevance!

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#26 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Christians also seek knowledge through science. Its seems that the atheist-skeptic is very limited about what she can understand since she thinks knowledge can only be gained through science.
The majority of people are mostly running by intuition, logics are a slower way of reacting and taking more brain capacity, but sometimes it is smart to slow down to improve and change our way of thinking before going back into the intuition modus again.
Everybody can do this if they want.
It is about being open to new ways of seeing things, and atheists usually are.
Atheists are also to my opinion more open to see and realize the duality between the physical world and our perception of the world that we are living in.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

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#27 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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If you disbelieve in something then you must believe in something in its place. Its not how much time someone spends believing in something but is there any reason to do so.
So what are the positive reasons for an atheist?
It nice to believe in the science behind all the stuff that makes our modern lives possible.

I feel no need to use the law to force others to live the way I do.

I can enjoy sex with a female without feeling guilt. Hell, I can enjoy sex with myself without guilt as well.

When I get sick I know it's not some all powerful all loving god that did it because he is mad at something I did.

I don't feel the need to beat my children to teach them to behave.(Proven to causes them great harm.)

I don't have to force myself to believe in one religions superstition while calling others religions superstition silly.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

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#28 Dec 3, 2012
Why don't atheist and skeptics make a positive case for their beliefs?

The atheists have no case.

One only has to look around and see the beauty of God's creation to believe in it.(The sun, moon, planets, skies, mountains, rivers, oceans, lakes, plains, valleys, swamps, animals, humans, trees, plants, etc etc). How a person can believe that everything just magically evolved so perfect is beyond me.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

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#29 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Christians also seek knowledge through science. Its seems that the atheist-skeptic is very limited about what she can understand since she thinks knowledge can only be gained through science.
Kind of narrow train of thought ya got going here.

Knowledge comes from many sources besides science.

Years ago I was an an apprentice plumber.I gained knowledge by watching and instruction.

While in other countries I gained knowledge by learning about the local customs.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

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#30 Dec 3, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
Why don't atheist and skeptics make a positive case for their beliefs?
The atheists have no case.
One only has to look around and see the beauty of God's creation to believe in it.(The sun, moon, planets, skies, mountains, rivers, oceans, lakes, plains, valleys, swamps, animals, humans, trees, plants, etc etc). How a person can believe that everything just magically evolved so perfect is beyond me.
Everything in your list is far more nothing then something. The total energy of the universe is zero after all.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#31 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Christians also seek knowledge through science. Its seems that the atheist-skeptic is very limited about what she can understand since she thinks knowledge can only be gained through science.
Scientific knowledge about nature and life. But not all knowledge that atheists have is formed about science. You do know this, right?
Jack

San Jose, CA

#32 Dec 3, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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AFAIAC atheism is true until people like you provide evidence which supports your deity claims beyond all reasonable doubt.
Not good enough. If atheism is true then it needs to stand on its own claims that there is no such thing as God. There are have been powerful arguments for the existence of God that have been argued for centuries. I can't think of one that an atheist has ever refuted.

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Made in Yorkshire

#33 Dec 3, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
How a person can believe that everything just magically evolved so perfect is beyond me.
It's beyond me too. Which is why I don't believe "that everything just magically evolved so perfect".
Jack

San Jose, CA

#34 Dec 3, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
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It nice to believe in the science behind all the stuff that makes our modern lives possible.
I feel no need to use the law to force others to live the way I do.
I can enjoy sex with a female without feeling guilt. Hell, I can enjoy sex with myself without guilt as well.
When I get sick I know it's not some all powerful all loving god that did it because he is mad at something I did.
I don't feel the need to beat my children to teach them to behave.(Proven to causes them great harm.)
I don't have to force myself to believe in one religions superstition while calling others religions superstition silly.
Do you think a husband who cheats on his wife should feel guilty? How does the atheist handle his guilt?
Jack

San Jose, CA

#35 Dec 3, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Scientific knowledge about nature and life. But not all knowledge that atheists have is formed about science. You do know this, right?
This is not true. Atheist have knowledge about things that have nothing to do with science. They know what beauty is and when they are loved. You don't know these things by science.
Jack

San Jose, CA

#36 Dec 3, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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No, it's merely the best way of obtaining knowledge. It WORKS.
Religion (or 'divine revelation'), on the other hand, has never worked as a means to gain knowledge.
This is patently false. The Bible tells me all kinds of things that I could not know by science. For example, science cannot tell me anything about morality. It cannot tell me anything about justice.

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#37 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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Not good enough. If atheism is true then it needs to stand on its own claims that there is no such thing as God.
Atheism is the default position. Theists make a claim and must support that claim.
Jack wrote:
There are have been powerful arguments for the existence of God that have been argued for centuries. I can't think of one that an atheist has ever refuted.
I can't think of one that has ever been any good.

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#38 Dec 3, 2012
Jack wrote:
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This is patently false. The Bible tells me all kinds of things that I could not know by science. For example, science cannot tell me anything about morality. It cannot tell me anything about justice.
It doesn't give you any knowledge; it simply makes claims.

Your religion, through 'divine revelation', says that worshipping Zeus is morally wrong (idol worship).
Another religion, through 'divine revelation', says that worshipping Zeus is morally right (giving proper reverence to the gods).

Unlike science, you have no method by which to determine that such statements are true or false.

Science works. Revelation fails.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#39 Dec 3, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Belief and disbelief are not the same thing.
How much time do you spend not believing in leprechauns. Be honest.
How much time do you spend in not believing in God? Be honest.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#40 Dec 3, 2012
Cujo wrote:
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Do you believe in Thor or Zeus? No? Make a positive case for it.
Do you believe there is a giant rock in my backyard? Why or why not?

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