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How do you account for the conscience? How do you know if its reliable?
My conscience tells me it's wrong to steal something from a person, because it would hurt if they stole from me...I'm not religious and don't need religion to tell me this is wrong, it's a part of who I am..Conscience does not come from a god, either you care about other people or you don't.

In contrast, I have a brother who is a southern Baptist. He doesn't even care about his own kids or grand kids and I wouldn't trust him with a screw driver because of his history of stealing..He's told me man can not live without sin. This means he can't even trust the people in his church he sings hymns with..Religion is really nutty for the reasons I've given..

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Not the point...point is they found none ..so gave her some themselves from their own imagination..not science ..full of flaws ..
Given the types of joints at the end of her leg and arm bones there would have been limited options for the type of appendages which were attached to them.

http://tinyurl.com/cl8tm65

Also, we know from her remains she was an adult, so she must have been able to move about and survive until then. This would have required some type of "attachments" at the end of her leg and ankle bones which allowed her to move about and manipulate food.

"There are several indicators which give a fair idea of her age. Her third molars (“wisdom teeth”) are erupted and slightly worn, indicating that she was fully adult. All the ends of her bones had fused and her cranial sutures had closed, indicating completed skeletal development. Her vertebrae show signs of degenerative disease, but this is not always associated with older age. All these indicators, when taken together, suggest that she was a young, but fully mature, adult when she died."

http://iho.asu.edu/lucy

Anyway, let me remind you of what started this discussion and the initial claim you made. This is from your post 13.
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By the way you lie about saying they never believed we came from monkeys.."Lucy" is a good example
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...

I have already provided quotes and supporting links which prove you are incorrect. These do so irrespective of whether lucy had hands and feet or not. The following quote does not mention these appendages. It relies on the 40% of bones found.
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"As in a modern human’s skeleton, Lucy's bones are rife with evidence clearly pointing to bipedality. Her distal femur shows several traits unique to bipedality. The shaft is angled relative to the condyles (knee joint surfaces), which allows bipeds to balance on one leg at a time during locomotion. There is a prominent patellar lip to keep the patella (knee cap) from dislocating due to this angle. Her condyles are large and are thus adapted to handling the added weight that results from shifting from four limbs to two. The pelvis exhibits a number of adaptations to bipedality. The entire structure has been remodeled to accommodate an upright stance and the need to balance the trunk on only one limb with each stride. The talus, in her ankle, shows evidence for a convergent big toe, sacrificing manipulative abilities for efficiency in bipedal locomotion. The vertebrae show evidence of the spinal curvatures necessitated by a permanent upright stance."

The term hominid refers to a member of the zoological family Hominidae. Hominidae encompasses all species originating after the human/African ape ancestral split, leading to and including all species of Australopithecus and Homo. While these species differ in many ways, hominids share a suite of characteristics that define them as a group. The most conspicuous of these traits is bipedal locomotion, or walking upright.

http://iho.asu.edu/lucy
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he he that one makes me laugh finding her bones over several kilometres
The following refutes this claim, which is part of your post 13.
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"How do we know that her skeleton is from a single individual?
Although several hundred fragments of hominid bone were found at the Lucy site, there was no duplication of bones. A single duplication of even the most modest of bone fragments would have disproved the single skeleton claim, but no such duplication is seen in Lucy. The bones all come from an individual of a single species, a single size, and a single developmental age. In life, she would have stood about three-and-a-half feet tall, and weighed about 60 to 65 pounds."

http://iho.asu.edu/lucy
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Given the types of joints at the end of her leg and arm bones there would have been limited options for the type of appendages which were attached to them.
So much for science being an exacting science ..when you can't find something you have to SURMISE it..LOL,
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Also, we know from her remains she was an adult, so she must have been able to move about and survive until then. This would have required some type of "attachments" at the end of her leg and ankle bones which allowed her to move about and manipulate food.
No doubt ..fact remains no feet or hands were found so the best they could do is SURMISE.

At a lecture at the University of Missouri Johanson was asked
“How far away from Lucy did you find the knee?”
(The knee bones were actually discovered about a year earlier than the rest of Lucy). LOL

Dr. Johanson answered "about 200 feet lower (!) and two to three kilometers away (about 1.5 miles!)".

When asked,“Then why are you sure it belonged to Lucy?”

Dr. Johanson, answered :“Anatomical similarity.”(Bears and dogs have anatomical similarities)...I mean because something is similar does not make it so..and this is past off as science..
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"There are several indicators which give a fair idea of her age. Her third molars (“wisdom teeth”) are erupted and slightly worn, indicating that she was fully adult. All the ends of her bones had fused and her cranial sutures had closed, indicating completed skeletal development. Her vertebrae show signs of degenerative disease, but this is not always associated with older age. All these indicators, when taken together, suggest that she was a young, but fully mature, adult when she died."
No one is disputing if she was an adult or her age..but an adult "WHAT"? is the question
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Anyway, let me remind you of what started this discussion and the initial claim you made.
Well you got that wrong I never intended "lucy' to be a serious discussion its so full of holes you would have to be an evolutionist fanatic religious believer to even contemplate her as a serious study.??

Have a look at this ...
Quote "Dr. Johanson gave a lecture at the University of Missouri in Kansas City, Nov. 20, 1986, on Lucy and why he thinks she is our ancestor. It included the ideas already mentioned and that Lucy’s femur and pelvis were more robust than most chimps and therefore,“could have” walked upright. "
look at the language " COULD HAVE" what sort of science is that?? just conjecture

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I have already provided quotes and supporting links which prove you are incorrect. These do so irrespective of whether lucy had hands and feet or not. The following quote does not mention these appendages. It relies on the 40% of bones found.
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Not at all..all you do is show your own desire to believe.. that you give up rational thinking

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Jeff wrote:
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The conscience has to do with morality. If a person doesn't feel it was bad to abuse someone would that mean there was something wrong with their conscience?
Is the conscience just the result of the chemicals in the brain?
I would not say something is "wrong" with their conscience. That is not the proper terminology.

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So much for science being an exacting science ..when you can't find something you have to SURMISE it..LOL, No doubt ..fact remains no feet or hands were found so the best they could do is SURMISE.
At a lecture at the University of Missouri Johanson was asked
“How far away from Lucy did you find the knee?”
(The knee bones were actually discovered about a year earlier than the rest of Lucy). LOL Dr. Johanson answered "about 200 feet lower (!) and two to three kilometers away (about 1.5 miles!)".
When asked,“Then why are you sure it belonged to Lucy?”
Dr. Johanson, answered :“Anatomical similarity.”(Bears and dogs have anatomical similarities)...I mean because something is similar does not make it so..and this is past off as science..
No one is disputing if she was an adult or her age..but an adult "WHAT"? is the question. Well you got that wrong I never intended "lucy' to be a serious discussion its so full of holes you would have to be an evolutionist fanatic religious believer to even contemplate her as a serious study.??
Have a look at this ...Quote "Dr. Johanson gave a lecture at the University of Missouri in Kansas City, Nov. 20, 1986, on Lucy and why he thinks she is our ancestor. It included the ideas already mentioned and that Lucy’s femur and pelvis were more robust than most chimps and therefore,“could have” walked upright. "
look at the language " COULD HAVE" what sort of science is that?? just conjecture
1) Lucy - Australopithecus afarensis - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/huma... .

2) "Johanson's writings have always been clear about the fact that his 1973 knee joint was a separate find from Lucy." - http://tinyurl.com/ad6r8 . Photographs of Lucy's bones do not include a knee joint - http://tinyurl.com/cl8tm65 .

3) We know Lucy was equipped with hands and feet.

"Australopithecus afarensis is one of the longest-lived and best-known early human species—paleoanthropologists have uncovered remains from more than 300 individuals!" Found between 3.85 and 2.95 million years ago in Eastern Africa (Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania), this species survived for more than 900,000 years, which is over four times as long as our own species has been around. It is best known from the sites of Hadar, Ethiopia (‘Lucy’, AL 288-1 and the 'First Family', AL 333); Dikika, Ethiopia (Dikika ‘child’ skeleton); and Laetoli (fossils of this species plus the oldest documented bipedal footprint trails)."

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...

4) Your quotes are old.

"Au. afarensis had both ape and human characteristics: members of this species had apelike face proportions (a flat nose, a strongly projecting lower jaw) and braincase (with a small brain, usually less than 500 cubic centimeters -- about 1/3 the size of a modern human brain), and long, strong arms with curved fingers adapted for climbing trees. They also had small canine teeth like all other early humans, and a body that stood on two legs and regularly walked upright. Their adaptations for living both in the trees and on the ground helped them survive for almost a million years as climate and environments changed."

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...

"The new skeleton is almost half a million years older than Lucy, the famous A. afarensis specimen discovered in 1974. It had long legs and a torso and a pelvis more like a modern human than an African ape, showing that fully upright walking was in place at this early date, Haile-Selassie says. Although headless, the skeleton also preserves parts not found before in Lucy's species. "It is important because it provides the ribs and scapula," or shoulder blade, says paleoanthropologist Carol Ward of the University of Missouri, Columbia."

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06...

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That is why a christian is under command to examine himself , whether he is in the FAITH..So watchfulness is a factor a Christian is impelled to take in account.
As scripture states " The one walking in integrity , will walk in security..."
its integrity that a Christian keeps toward God that gives him security in his Faith.
I don't suppose you understand integrity...
Self improvement dos not require religion.

I understand integrity......i am not the one that uses fallacious reasoning to support a belief that clearly isn't true. I don't put my ego and desires above truth. I don't hate people because they are gay.

I suppose you don't understand integrity -- self honesty -- and tolerance.
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Self improvement dos not require religion.
I understand integrity......i am not the one that uses fallacious reasoning to support a belief that clearly isn't true. I don't put my ego and desires above truth. I don't hate people because they are gay.
I suppose you don't understand integrity -- self honesty -- and tolerance.
Don't hate gays at all ...hate the fact that people have been indoctrinated to believe the practice is normal, and not a sin ..to the point of wanting to legalize marriage for an act of abomination to God

In fact some Christians have been homosexuals previous to coming to Christ ..

King James Bible 1 Corinthians 6 [11]

"And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
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Self improvement dos not require religion.

I suppose you don't understand integrity -- self honesty -- and tolerance.
I agree self improvement is not a religion

But knowledge of the most High and his anointed one are everlasting life ..only a fool would despise knowledge

And tolerance has become a very mis- used word

I can't find in scripture where we must TOLERATE an evil

in fact we are to resist the Devil and he will flee from us ..

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I agree self improvement is not a religion
But knowledge of the most High and his anointed one are everlasting life ..only a fool would despise knowledge
And tolerance has become a very mis- used word
I can't find in scripture where we must TOLERATE an evil
in fact we are to resist the Devil and he will flee from us ..
i feel you favor what brings you comfort over actual knowledge....let's face it---you have absolute certainty in something that is based on cave scribbles. These beliefs close off your mind because you are focused on proving how something that isn't true is true. You aren't even on the fence..you are all in---and there is no need to be...if ur objective.

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you aren't objective

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I can't find in scripture where we must TOLERATE an evil
in fact we are to resist the Devil and he will flee from us ..
I can't find evidence your scripture has any validity......you don't even know who wrote it let alone if what you are reading is from them---lket alone what the person was like that wrote it.

I can't find evidence anywhere that what you say is evil is ACTUALLY evil

that's because ther is none.......and you are in a cult that blindlyt accepts opinions as fact

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You should see the results of indoctrinating going on in schools today with telling kids they are evolved from a monkey...You should see the results of that indoctrination , premarital sex..why they want to vaccinate kids against STD's caused from promiscuous sex, and vaccinations are recommended for age nine years old ..for goodness sakes.
Then there is the drug problem [in schools] and the language ..well that is another area altogether.
Also because God is no longer taught in the class room , behavioral problems are coming to the fore..like bullying and the phenomenon of school shootings
Oh yes we can really see how taking God out the class room has really advanced the kids...
Also its a false premise that Christians don't investigate
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"Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories.
In the United Kingdom, the earliest university-type establishment was probably the College, established by the Celtic preacher St. Illtyd in about AD 500.
Oxford University was established by various religious orders.
Likewise, Cambridge University was established in 1209 by Christian leaders.
Saint Andrews, Scotland’s oldest university, was founded principally for the teaching and study of theology.
many of the later colleges were founded by Bible-believing Christians. The University of Edinburgh had a thoroughly evangelical beginning, being founded under Presbyterian auspices."
so the poster fabricating lies ..because unbelievers are so gullible and easy to manipulate through propaganda..Say something often enough and people believe it..People with no knowledge that is...
And you point is?

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And you point is?
Nettie has posted something very similar however you >>>NEVER<<< post to Nettie what is her point.

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Nope...man was created in the image of God..and no common ancestor was a monkey..Each species breeds with its own kind.
You know science [ not Christians] tried to breed artificially with monkeys and humans , but all their experiments failed..shocking really what they tried to do..
Scripture is clear we only breed according to "kind"..
Over here there was talk of making a room available for Islamic prayer..when a teacher was asked " how about a prayer room for Christians?"
They replied " Christians don't take their religion serious "
We have found that even though a Christian child takes their FAITH with them where ever they go...that it is culpable on the parents for deliberately placing an inexperienced and vulnerable youth in a hostile environment to their Faith
Parents are actually setting their kids up without protecting them against the ridicule and exclusion from peers...they are failing in their duty as carers of the most valuable possession of any country..its children.
You spiritually clueless fundies are pathetic.

"We" are really our SOULS, our bodies are just an interface for it to interact with the physical world/realm. So it is OUR SOULS that were made in God's SPIRITUAL image. He has no physical body you fool.

This means that our souls are just diminutive versions of God's soul/himself.

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You spiritually clueless fundies are pathetic.
"We" are really our SOULS, our bodies are just an interface for it to interact with the physical world/realm. So it is OUR SOULS that were made in God's SPIRITUAL image. He has no physical body you fool.
This means that our souls are just diminutive versions of God's soul/himself.
That makes Nettie pathetic too.

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That makes Nettie pathetic too.
Obsessing on Nettie quite a bit.

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Obsessing on Nettie quite a bit.
I could say the same thing to you....the way you were posting to me the other day. Hummm...you are siding with the trolls it seems.
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<quoted text>I could say the same thing to you....the way you were posting to me the other day. Hummm...you are siding with the trolls it seems.
I am my own person and I agree and disagree with many posters depending on subject. I agree with no one all the time.

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Obsessing on Nettie quite a bit.
GS is well known for his narcissistic obsessions. And stalking. And lying. And being stupid. And making no sense most of the time.

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Laci Ann 7 wrote:
<quoted text>I could say the same thing to you....the way you were posting to me the other day. Hummm...you are siding with the trolls it seems.
Gasp!

Someone posted to you the other day!

LMFAO@YOU

And BTW - She wasn't siding with you trolls, she's better than that.

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