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Mar 19, 2013
 
little lamb wrote:
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QUOTE ...Lucy lacked feet and hand bones, but by looking at other A. afarensis skeletons we are able to reconstruct what Lucy's feet and hands looked like." end of quote
How laughable..she had no hands or feet .."they surmised "
and gave it to her..
Then they went on to say
QUOTE .."The feet and hands were similar to that of humans. The feet have toes that are slightly longer than humans. Some researchers believe that the big toe was positioned in line with the other toes as in humans, while others believe that it was opposable like that of modern apes (Leaky 1997-98). The hands however, are not like humans, but rather like apes" end of Quote
Have a look at that!!!..it so funny..shows you the "exact" "hic" science involved in these guys workings out
first they had no hands and feet so the 'surmised' she must have had hands and feet and then they proceed to tell you what the hands and feet mean..ha ha ha ha ha
Years ago, in the southern town I once lived in, a little four year old boy went missing.
A month later, his body was found by a creek outside of town...with no hands or feet.
Shall I locate and post that news article so that you can laugh at it?

btw: his hands and feet had not been cut off either. Twas nature......

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Mar 19, 2013
 
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Sorry disagree with you ..every man has a god given conscience and in some its been desensitized but it exists even if you can't see it
And even in the court cases in Nuremberg for the nazi's..
"Obeying orders" was not a legitimate excuse for murder on such a grand scale..they were culpable and held guilty because every man should listen to his conscience.
Have you ever wondered why a conscience is so much part of every human being??
Its God given because every human sort of knows that the ideal is to LOVE
And 'LOVE" is the image of God..
None of us live up to that ideal..and yes we do have to have God teach us to Love..Just look around at how mankind treats each other and try and tell me that we LOVE as we should ..
You are unreasonable as you did not address my point about man creating god even if there was none. Gods serve purposes whether they exist or not......you acknowledge this indirectly because your belief denies the existence of many other gods people have believed in. You are in denial about this because you don't want to acknowledge my point.....one that your belief indirectly acknowledges by default. Why can't you be honest to yourself?

How can it be that any god takes the form of whatever the person needs..a savior....a friend....a whatever??? Gods A-Z - many of which wou would agree don't exist.... as I said god would be created if he didn't exist. How can you not acknowledge this fact?

I agree about the conscience to a degree however it is not given by a god.
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Nope...man was created in the image of God..and no common ancestor was a monkey..Each species breeds with its own kind.
You know science [ not Christians] tried to breed artificially with monkeys and humans , but all their experiments failed..shocking really what they tried to do..
Scripture is clear we only breed according to "kind"..
Over here there was talk of making a room available for Islamic prayer..when a teacher was asked " how about a prayer room for Christians?"
They replied " Christians don't take their religion serious "
We have found that even though a Christian child takes their FAITH with them where ever they go...that it is culpable on the parents for deliberately placing an inexperienced and vulnerable youth in a hostile environment to their Faith
Parents are actually setting their kids up without protecting them against the ridicule and exclusion from peers...they are failing in their duty as carers of the most valuable possession of any country..its children.
Your thinking that humans are separate from the rest of the animals on the planet, and the very eco-system itself is why Humans are so willing to ruin-destroy it.

Thinking that Humans are above and wholly separate from the natural world in which we live and on which we rely only breeds arrogance and hubris. Which we see exhibited way too often from American Xtians like you. "Oh dont worry (about toxic waste dumping, etc) God will fix it for us."

Hostile environments to faith? Now that's funny. Why is it that American Xtians are always blaming everyone/thing for their lack of faith or difficulty in adhering to it? Stop pointing fingers and focus on your own practice. Like anything one needs to learn how to do better (sports skills, musical, arts, etc) the person has to focus solely on their own practice and no one elses to improve.
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"Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories.
In the United Kingdom, the earliest university-type establishment was probably the College, established by the Celtic preacher St. Illtyd in about AD 500.
Oxford University was established by various religious orders.
Likewise, Cambridge University was established in 1209 by Christian leaders.
Saint Andrews, Scotland’s oldest university, was founded principally for the teaching and study of theology.
many of the later colleges were founded by Bible-believing Christians. The University of Edinburgh had a thoroughly evangelical beginning, being founded under Presbyterian auspices."
so the poster fabricating lies ..because unbelievers are so gullible and easy to manipulate through propaganda..Say something often enough and people believe it..People with no knowledge that is...
So? Whats the point?

Are you implying that it was the Xtian factor that counted the most? And not the absolute adoration this nation once had for education and the educated?

Why do Xtians like you miss the point/s that it has been the Xtian Fundys and Xtian Family Values Orgs of the last 4-6 decades who have been vilifying and American education and essentially forcing a dumb'd down system where science is watered down, where reality is often ignored for a safer, more religiously PC version...
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Mar 19, 2013
 
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There is no question Christianity is a cult. Children are often indoctrinated at a young age to accept without question that ridiculous claims are true. These children are told at a young age about greatness of Christian Heaven and punishment of Christian Hell. These children are dragged to places of worship. They are taught in schools and at home. They are warned about the penalties of not believing. They are taught to pray to this god and see others praying and everyone else buying into it. They see the examples set by their parents. They are often not exposed at all to other religions except they are taught that everything else is not true. They don't have the liberty of being of reasonable age with clear mind to review all the religions without parental bias and everything mentioned above to make up their own mind based on just the facts. Children usually adopt the religion of their parents: regardless of what it is. Children are often taught that believing in god is good and even in liberal households if things go awry, they see society and their parent's examples they learned and when they want to change, they turn to the god that is popular in their location and that they learned about.
Reward and punishment is used to entice belief. The empty promise of heaven if you believe and or behave and the empty threat of hell if you don't. Classic form of manipulation at work when there is no REAL reason to believe the core claims at hand. They need to entice you.
What kind of god really cares about belief? It is a means of manipulation. Belief is important because they need to draw you in to accept all the other things. Religion is a known tool for leaders to use to keep people in line -- especially poor ones that have nothing else to look forward to. God and heaven and hell given them reason to stay in line.
• Why does god base your eternal life on whether or not you believe in him?
• In the scenario of god rewarding belief, a person indoctrinated and genetically less prone to be inquisitive and not question things is REWARDED for all of eternity where the person that is inquisitive is punished. Being gullible is then an advantage and could save your a$$ for all of eternity. It would be the changing factor in salvation!
• Since god is so focused on belief, we can say that god wants you to be a historian and that being the historian he wants you to be, you will be granted eternal life!
A key part of being a historian is examining evidence. Why is it the expert historians tell us the bible is a religious book and not really a history book? Why can't they prove the bible's claims are true? I guess god likes the guessing historian who acts on things despite the evidence?
• Did you read the news today? Some guy parted the Red Sea and last week we have video footage of a magical burning bush that talks. CNN is all over it.
• If god is so intent on belief, why does he throw us thousands of curve balls ---- many other gods. Frankly, how is the objective person supposed to tell the difference? It's a crap shoot and what is at stake is my eternal salvation? Seems pretty petty doesn't it?
In the event that indoctrination hasn't worked, your god rewards lucky gamblers!
Not disagreeing, but post the source material. The who and where is this post from...?

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little lamb wrote:
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QUOTE ...Lucy lacked feet and hand bones, but by looking at other A. afarensis skeletons we are able to reconstruct what Lucy's feet and hands looked like." end of quote
How laughable..she had no hands or feet .."they surmised "
and gave it to her..
Then they went on to say
QUOTE .."The feet and hands were similar to that of humans. The feet have toes that are slightly longer than humans. Some researchers believe that the big toe was positioned in line with the other toes as in humans, while others believe that it was opposable like that of modern apes (Leaky 1997-98). The hands however, are not like humans, but rather like apes" end of Quote
Have a look at that!!!..it so funny..shows you the "exact" "hic" science involved in these guys workings out
first they had no hands and feet so the 'surmised' she must have had hands and feet and then they proceed to tell you what the hands and feet mean..ha ha ha ha ha
What do you think she stood on? Hooves? Flippers? Talons? What do you think she had instead of hands? Tentacles? Pincers? A couple of trunks?

Here is a photograph of the bones which were found.

http://tinyurl.com/cl8tm65

As you can plainly see, they had 40% of her skeleton. They knew from what they had she stood upright. Her skeleton is quite obviously humanoid so it would be reasonable to assume she was equipped with hands had feet while she was alive.

"As in a modern human’s skeleton, Lucy's bones are rife with evidence clearly pointing to bipedality. Her distal femur shows several traits unique to bipedality. The shaft is angled relative to the condyles (knee joint surfaces), which allows bipeds to balance on one leg at a time during locomotion. There is a prominent patellar lip to keep the patella (knee cap) from dislocating due to this angle. Her condyles are large and are thus adapted to handling the added weight that results from shifting from four limbs to two. The pelvis exhibits a number of adaptations to bipedality. The entire structure has been remodeled to accommodate an upright stance and the need to balance the trunk on only one limb with each stride. The talus, in her ankle, shows evidence for a convergent big toe, sacrificing manipulative abilities for efficiency in bipedal locomotion. The vertebrae show evidence of the spinal curvatures necessitated by a permanent upright stance."

"How do we know that her skeleton is from a single individual?

Although several hundred fragments of hominid bone were found at the Lucy site, there was no duplication of bones. A single duplication of even the most modest of bone fragments would have disproved the single skeleton claim, but no such duplication is seen in Lucy. The bones all come from an individual of a single species, a single size, and a single developmental age. In life, she would have stood about three-and-a-half feet tall, and weighed about 60 to 65 pounds."

http://iho.asu.edu/lucy

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<quoted text>Your thinking that humans are separate from the rest of the animals on the planet, and the very eco-system itself is why Humans are so willing to ruin-destroy it.
Thinking that Humans are above and wholly separate from the natural world in which we live and on which we rely only breeds arrogance and hubris. Which we see exhibited way too often from American Xtians like you. "Oh dont worry (about toxic waste dumping, etc) God will fix it for us."
Hostile environments to faith? Now that's funny. Why is it that American Xtians are always blaming everyone/thing for their lack of faith or difficulty in adhering to it? Stop pointing fingers and focus on your own practice. Like anything one needs to learn how to do better (sports skills, musical, arts, etc) the person has to focus solely on their own practice and no one elses to improve.
well put.

Christianity however is a breeding ground for people having persecution complexes...which works against the mentality of accountability and taking ownership

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Mar 19, 2013
 
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Not disagreeing, but post the source material. The who and where is this post from...?
The post is from me. It is not the type of thing that requires "source material". It is something to focus discussion and develop it

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<quoted text>Dear, being made in God's image means our spirit, not our physical appearance.
"a hostile environment to their faith"???
lol
The U.S. is made up of many various faiths, or many who follow no faith.
(Any ridiculing done in schools against any child because of his/her religion should be immediately addressed, yes.
Religion is one of our precious freedoms.)
As for public schools, I repeat:
prayer is still allowed in them, just not teacher or principal lead prayer, which is against the law.
Teachers and principals of public schools are government employees.
Have you ever heard of separation of church and state?
"Dear, being made in God's image means our spirit, not our physical appearance."
I like that statement.

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"Dear, being made in God's image means our spirit, not our physical appearance."
I like that statement.
Hi, PROV!!
How are you?
I hope you and your family are doing well.
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Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking that humans are separate from the rest of the animals on the planet, and the very eco-system itself is why Humans are so willing to ruin-destroy it.
Thinking that Humans are above and wholly separate from the natural world in which we live and on which we rely only breeds arrogance and hubris. Which we see exhibited way too often from American Xtians like you. "Oh dont worry (about toxic waste dumping, etc) God will fix it for us."
Hostile environments to faith? Now that's funny. Why is it that American Xtians are always blaming everyone/thing for their lack of faith or difficulty in adhering to it? Stop pointing fingers and focus on your own practice. Like anything one needs to learn how to do better (sports skills, musical, arts, etc) the person has to focus solely on their own practice and no one elses to improve.
Just looking for a scape -goat..Scripture tells us in revelation, that God is going to destroy those who destroy his earth

I believe you completely forget scripture tells us God is the creator..and none of us has any right to destroy his creation...it doesn't belong to us to start with.
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<quoted text>So? Whats the point?
Are you implying that it was the Xtian factor that counted the most? And not the absolute adoration this nation once had for education and the educated?
Why do Xtians like you miss the point/s that it has been the Xtian Fundys and Xtian Family Values Orgs of the last 4-6 decades who have been vilifying and American education and essentially forcing a dumb'd down system where science is watered down, where reality is often ignored for a safer, more religiously PC version...
I actually believe that the Holy Spirit revives our thinking capacities and enlarges them

It is written in Proverbs, about the information contained within .." to receive the discipline that gives insight , righteousness and judgment and uprightness, to give the inexperience ones shrewdness , to a young man thinking abilities "

"As all scripture is inspired of God beneficial for TEACHING , reproving, DISCIPLINING in righteousness.....

"A wise person listens and takes in more instruction and a man of understanding is one who acquires skillfull direction"

I actually find it is atheist who are responsible for the dumbing down of the education , due to multi-culturism, influence in wanting to build up the self image of people that were locked up in dark superstition for so long it affected their self esteem..So to make them feel better; standards were lowered to build self esteem in less fortunate.

Rather then bring people up , they found it easier to cut Christians down.
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You are unreasonable as you did not address my point about man creating god even if there was none. Gods serve purposes whether they exist or not......you acknowledge this indirectly because your belief denies the existence of many other gods people have believed in. You are in denial about this because you don't want to acknowledge my point.....one that your belief indirectly acknowledges by default. Why can't you be honest to yourself?
How can it be that any god takes the form of whatever the person needs..a savior....a friend....a whatever??? Gods A-Z - many of which wou would agree don't exist.... as I said god would be created if he didn't exist. How can you not acknowledge this fact?
I agree about the conscience to a degree however it is not given by a god.
Yes I would agree that there is a tendency in man to build God in his own image instead of accepting the fact that we are built in Gods image..and that we have fallen short from the glory of God.

it is much easier for men to have control over God then let God have control over them..

I agree that is what religion is all about..controlling God and controlling people...

But the existence of God is real...and our need for him is great..and I suppose this is where we part company because scripture states

" happy is the man conscious of his spiritual lack"

its a strength not a weakness , to acknowledge that we lack spiritual needs.
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What do you think she stood on? Hooves? Flippers? Talons? What do you think she had instead of hands? Tentacles? Pincers? A couple of trunks?
weighed about 60 to 65 pounds."
http://iho.asu.edu/lucy
Not the point...point is they found none ..so gave her some themselves from their own imagination..not science ..full of flaws ..
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cvor wrote:
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You are unreasonable as you did not address my point about man creating god even if there was none. Gods serve purposes whether they exist or not......you acknowledge this indirectly because your belief denies the existence of many other gods people have believed in. You are in denial about this because you don't want to acknowledge my point.....one that your belief indirectly acknowledges by default. Why can't you be honest to yourself?
How can it be that any god takes the form of whatever the person needs..a savior....a friend....a whatever??? Gods A-Z - many of which wou would agree don't exist.... as I said god would be created if he didn't exist. How can you not acknowledge this fact?
I agree about the conscience to a degree however it is not given by a god.
How do you account for the conscience? How do you know if its reliable?

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How do you account for the conscience? How do you know if its reliable?
I see the conscience as nothing more than a manifestation of thoughts and feelings. We are wired to live and to survive and to reproduce and emotions assist us with accomplishing this.

Reliability towards what? What do you mean?

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Yes I would agree that there is a tendency in man to build God in his own image instead of accepting the fact that we are built in Gods image..and that we have fallen short from the glory of God.
it is much easier for men to have control over God then let God have control over them..
I agree that is what religion is all about..controlling God and controlling people...
But the existence of God is real...and our need for him is great..and I suppose this is where we part company because scripture states
" happy is the man conscious of his spiritual lack"
its a strength not a weakness , to acknowledge that we lack spiritual needs.
and of course it is always THEM that make god in their own image and you that acknowledges the true god.

Have you ever heard any believer in any religion claim they didn't worship a real god in the appropriate manner?

You don't know that you aren't one of the ones that created god in your own image. No one admits to it but someone is guilty of it. We know you can't prove your god exists....we know your claims are incredibly flimsy as all you have for proof are stone scribbles from anonymous authors...yet you aren't one of the ones that worships a manufactured god?
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I see the conscience as nothing more than a manifestation of thoughts and feelings. We are wired to live and to survive and to reproduce and emotions assist us with accomplishing this.
Reliability towards what? What do you mean?
The conscience has to do with morality. If a person doesn't feel it was bad to abuse someone would that mean there was something wrong with their conscience?

Is the conscience just the result of the chemicals in the brain?
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and of course it is always THEM that make god in their own image and you that acknowledges the true god.
Have you ever heard any believer in any religion claim they didn't worship a real god in the appropriate manner?
You don't know that you aren't one of the ones that created god in your own image. No one admits to it but someone is guilty of it. We know you can't prove your god exists....we know your claims are incredibly flimsy as all you have for proof are stone scribbles from anonymous authors...yet you aren't one of the ones that worships a manufactured god?
That is why a christian is under command to examine himself , whether he is in the FAITH..So watchfulness is a factor a Christian is impelled to take in account.

As scripture states " The one walking in integrity , will walk in security..."

its integrity that a Christian keeps toward God that gives him security in his Faith.

I don't suppose you understand integrity...

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Yes I would agree that there is a tendency in man to build God in his own image instead of accepting the fact that we are built in Gods image..and that we have fallen short from the glory of God.
it is much easier for men to have control over God then let God have control over them..
I agree that is what religion is all about..controlling God and controlling people...
But the existence of God is real...and our need for him is great..and I suppose this is where we part company because scripture states
" happy is the man conscious of his spiritual lack"
its a strength not a weakness , to acknowledge that we lack spiritual needs.
Lovely post.

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