Believers are not to judge non-believ...

-The Doctor

“Jesus heals but I got medicine”

Since: Nov 11

W Hollywood, CA Spy

#50 Dec 24, 2011
jaybirdlives666 wrote:
<quoted text>
So God created sin, because he was bored?
NO, you sin because YOU choose to.

jaybirdlives666

“We are all a little Irish”

Since: Dec 11

Madison Via Dublin

#51 Dec 24, 2011
-The Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>NO, you sin because YOU choose to.
That is not what you said, OH well, its just your nature. You have a great day

-The Doctor

“Jesus heals but I got medicine”

Since: Nov 11

W Hollywood, CA Spy

#52 Dec 24, 2011
Seriously__ wrote:
<quoted text>
For the first verse you gave, when looking at the whole chapter it is in direct relation to a believer dealing with a lawsuit from another believer, and has nothing to do with believers judging, correcting or rebuking non-believers:
1 Corinthians 6
Lawsuits Among Believers
1 If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? 2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6 But instead, one brother takes another to court—and this in front of unbelievers!
The second verses you mentioned are how to determine if a prophet is a true or false prophet. While a false prophet likely is a non-believer, this is not about correcting them, it is about identifying them:
Matthew 7:15-20
New International Version (NIV)
True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Beware of liars and sinners, they love their sin and covet them.

Matthew 7:15-20
New International Version (NIV)
True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.

THEY LOVE THEIR SIN, THEY DO NOT WISH TO SHARE GOD'S WORD TO SINNERS, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL SINNERS THEMSELVES. They, Seriously have a problem, and are consumed in their sins. Some times it is drugs, some times alcohol, and some times their mouths are so filthy and foul, they allow them self to curse.

God instructs you to study Matthews, and you rebel,

“Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”

John preached about the coming kingdom and the need to repent. The Palestine in which the prophet’s ministry was launched was firmly in the grip of a grossly pagan force, the Roman empire. Edersheim graphically describes the conditions of the time.

“It has been rightly said, that the idea of conscience, as we understand it, was unknown to heathenism. Absolute right did not exist. Might was right. The social relations exhibited, if possible, even deeper corruption. The sanctity of marriage had ceased. Female dissipation and the general dissoluteness led at last to an almost entire cessation of marriage. Abortion, and the exposure and murder of newly-born children, were common and tolerated; unnatural vices, which even the greatest philosophers practiced, if not advocated, attained proportions which defy description”(I.259).

Moral corruption had made deep inroads into Judaism as well. Read carefully the second chapter of the book of Romans. It was into this world that John came with his piercing message:“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”(Mt. 3:2; cf. Mk. 1:4).

John’s message of “repentance” entailed a deep consciousness of offense to God within the sinner’s heart, with a required reformation of life. When he saw superficial Hebrews submitting to his immersion, void of any radical change of conduct, he rebuked them:“You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth, therefore, fruit worthy of repentance”(Mt. 3:7-8).
RCash

Tinley Park, IL

#53 Dec 24, 2011
-The Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF. Christians are no longer slaves to sin, because they are not sinners. There is a difference between sinning and being a sinner.
I can drink a beer right now, but I am not an alcoholic.
Christians are no longer slaves to sin, because they are born again.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe/God

#54 Dec 25, 2011
I Socialize With GOD wrote:
<quoted text>So, should Christians judge people like Lovegoal and Seriously, who admit to having a nicotine drug problem and an alcohol problem, and self admit to being immature Christians?
And you have an addiction with deceit, lying, and hatred, that has poisoned your soul.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe/God

#55 Dec 25, 2011
RCash wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. Christians are no longer slaves to sin, which only means God gives them the strength to resist sin and the ability to choose not to sin. We are no longer slaves to sin.
However, Christian can and do still sin. Sin hardens the heart towards God. The Bible warns us not to continue in sin.
For some, after having had the truth revealed to them, have fallen back into sin and end up in a worst state then before.
Therefore, if we see a Christian sinning, we are instructed to correct them, taking care that we are not also lurred back into sin.
Don't let the "we get a free pass into Heaven no matter how sinful/evil we are" crowd of self proclaimed "Christians" hear you. For they HATE the thought of having to stop "sinning".

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#56 Dec 25, 2011
jaybirdlives666 wrote:
<quoted text>
So God created sin, because he was bored?
Sin came first. God was invented to fix it but he only made things worse.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#57 Dec 25, 2011
-The Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>Beware of liars and sinners, they love their sin and covet them.
Matthew 7:15-20
New International Version (NIV)
True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.
THEY LOVE THEIR SIN, THEY DO NOT WISH TO SHARE GOD'S WORD TO SINNERS, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL SINNERS THEMSELVES. They, Seriously have a problem, and are consumed in their sins. Some times it is drugs, some times alcohol, and some times their mouths are so filthy and foul, they allow them self to curse.
God instructs you to study Matthews, and you rebel,
“Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”
John preached about the coming kingdom and the need to repent. The Palestine in which the prophet’s ministry was launched was firmly in the grip of a grossly pagan force, the Roman empire. Edersheim graphically describes the conditions of the time.
“It has been rightly said, that the idea of conscience, as we understand it, was unknown to heathenism. Absolute right did not exist. Might was right. The social relations exhibited, if possible, even deeper corruption. The sanctity of marriage had ceased. Female dissipation and the general dissoluteness led at last to an almost entire cessation of marriage. Abortion, and the exposure and murder of newly-born children, were common and tolerated; unnatural vices, which even the greatest philosophers practiced, if not advocated, attained proportions which defy description”(I.259).
Moral corruption had made deep inroads into Judaism as well. Read carefully the second chapter of the book of Romans. It was into this world that John came with his piercing message:“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”(Mt. 3:2; cf. Mk. 1:4).
John’s message of “repentance” entailed a deep consciousness of offense to God within the sinner’s heart, with a required reformation of life. When he saw superficial Hebrews submitting to his immersion, void of any radical change of conduct, he rebuked them:“You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth, therefore, fruit worthy of repentance”(Mt. 3:7-8).
That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to tell you.
YOUR mouth is so filthy and foul, who’d WANT you to share God’s Word with them?
RCash

Tinley Park, IL

#58 Dec 25, 2011
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't let the "we get a free pass into Heaven no matter how sinful/evil we are" crowd of self proclaimed "Christians" hear you. For they HATE the thought of having to stop "sinning".
Sad but true.

Since: Dec 12

Hollywood, FL

#59 Dec 9, 2012
Read Matthew 12:15-21
God’s Chosen Servant:

(Matthew 12:15-21) Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, warning them not to tell who he was. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:

“Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he leads justice to victory.
In his name the nations will put their hope."

According to verse (John 12:47-50) when Jesus was on earth, Jesus said,“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

If Jesus did not judge those who rejected the gospel, than we should not judge those who rejected the gospel too.

According to verse Matthew 10, Mark 6, and Luke 10 Jesus has sent out his 12 disciples/sent out the Seventy-two and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits, to heal every disease/sickness, and to preach the word. Jesus did not call them to quarrel with unbelievers or judge those who didn't accept the gospel according to Matthew 10:14, Mark 6:11, and Luke 10:11.

Jesus said to them, "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet and leave."

VERSE LUKE 10:16 SAYS:
(Luke 10:16)“He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

VERSE MATTHEW 7:6 SAYS:
(Matthew 7:6)“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

That is exactly what is happening in most Christian forum sites today. You provide Truth, and what is the result? They trample that which is sacred and then turn around and tear you to pieces. Verses Matthew 7:1-5, Romans 2, Romans 14/Romans 14:10, James 3, and Romans 12:17-21 makes it clear that we should not lead/judge/curse a blind man. If we do, we are only jeopardizing ourselves. No one can make someone believe or make someone have faith, it's impossible. They have to either accept the truth or not. So the saying is, we should not judge those outside the church (meaning that we should not judge unbelievers) according to verse 1 Corinthians 5:9-13. If we have removed the pluck out of our own eye (a.k.a. being free from sin), than we have the right as servants of God to judge those inside the church only. Outside the church means, "not believers of Christ" and inside the church means, "believers of Christ."

VERSE 1 TIMOTHY 6:3-5 SAYS:
(1 Timothy 6:3-5) If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
To learn more about this issue, read "The Sin and Doom of Godless Men" (Jude 1:3-16), read "False Teachers and Their Destruction" (2 Peter 2), read "Warning Against False Teachers of the Law" (1 Timothy 1:3-11), read Matthew 23 and Jude 1:4.
Also read these warning verses such as 1 Timothy 4, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Jude 1, 2 Timothy 3:1-9 and Romans 1:18-32.

Since: Dec 12

Hollywood, FL

#60 Dec 9, 2012
THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU SEE A BROTHER (A.K.A. A TRUE BELIEVER) QUARRELING ABOUT WORDS:
(2 Timothy 2:14-19/23-26) Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription:“The Lord knows those who are his,” and,“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

(Titus 3:9-11) But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

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What we MUST do if we see a believer going astray and if we see a believer that we know sinning:

(Leviticus 19:17)“‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.

(Luke 17:3-4) So watch yourselves.
“If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says,‘I repent,’ forgive him.”

(James 5:16) Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

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FROM THE BOOK OF PROVERBS:
(Proverbs 9:8) Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.
(Proverbs 23:9) Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words.
(Proverbs 26:4) Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
(Proverbs 17:19) He who loves a quarrel loves sin; he who builds a high gate invites destruction.
(Proverbs 20:3) It is to a man's honor to avoid strife, but every fool is quick to quarrel.
(Proverbs 17:14) Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam; so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out.
(Proverbs 15:18) A hot-tempered man stirs up dissension, but a patient man calms a quarrel.
agentinsure

Vancouver, WA

#61 May 6, 2014
I would suggest you consider the definition of Judgement (noun) apart for judging (verb). Using good Judgement in making decisions is entirely different from the act of Judging others. Its really as simple as that. Discernment, common sense etc with your decision about whom you associated with and to what degree, versus the act of Judging, to condemn or render a final decision thereof.
-The Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>Why, is it because you are a nonbeliever. Sorry, stop lying, Jesus judged nonbelievers and so did John the Baptist. As a matter of fact, all the people that Jesus judged were not Christians.
Jesus told Peter "Get thee behind me Satan", Peter was not a Christian, yet.
John the Baptist judged King Herod, his wife and his evil daughter.
Jesus judged the Pharises, they were not believers.
Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"
Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus,“Do not judge, or you too will be judged”(Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?
Part of the problem we have with judging is that when people say "judge" they usually mean or imply "condemn." But judging means much more than that.
"To judge" means "to make a distinction" or "to separate." You judge every day, in every aspect of life. You had to make a judgment in order to decide what clothes to wear today, or what to eat. You are also responsible for judging between truth and error.
When we look at scripture on judging, it is important that we pay attention to who is being addressed.
Romans 2:1.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whoever thou art that judgest: for in that thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
At first glance, this verse seems to forbid judging, and to warn that when you judge someone else, you are condemning yourself. But who is it talking to? Those who judge others for doing the same things they are doing. If you fall into that category, then you are indeed condemning yourself when you judge someone else! But this is not a blanket prohibition against judging.
What God wants is not for us to avoid judging, but instead to judge rightly.
Luke 7:40-43.
And Jesus answering said to him, Simon, I have somewhat to say to thee. And he saith, Master, speak.
There was a certain creditor who had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Simon answered and said, I suppose that [he], to whom he forgave most. And he said to him, Thou hast rightly judged.
In this passage, Jesus invited Simon the Pharisee to make a judgment, then commended him when he judged rightly. God wants us to make right, or righteous, judgments.

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#63 May 14, 2014
Seriously__ wrote:
This scripture specifically says we are NOT to judge those outside the church.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 NIV
I agree. It's one thing to preach what the New Testament teaches, but it's another to point your finger at someone and tell him/her that he/she is going to hell. Who is or is not going to hell is up to God through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the judge, not Christians. Preach the Gospel and make sure you always let people know that Jesus is willing to forgive sins when people repent and believe that Jesus is the Messiah, who gave his life and shed his blood as the eternal sacrifice for sins, and that He was raised from death. That through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, as I just stated, one can be given the gift of salvation, eternal life, eternal peace, and eternal happiness with God. There is no other way!

John 14:6
"Jesus answered,“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Do not take any chances! Life is not a joke, and Jesus is real and He will be the judge of all. You can avoid judgement and God's wrath through obedience and faith in Jesus Christ. See the many YouTube videos of people who claim to have been shown hell. I believe many of them are telling the truth. Watch these videos, so you can retain a better understanding of what hell/damnation is. Get motivated and pray to God and ask the Lord to save you. God is always willing to listen to the prayers of those who want to know the truth and want to avoid hell. No matter how bad you think you are, I beseech you to reach out to God before it's too late. Develop a relationship with God our Father and Jesus through prayer. Do not hesitate!
god chose us

Booneville, KY

#64 May 19, 2014
1 Corinthians 5:12 - 5:13
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#65 May 24, 2014
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
NO! You have no friggin "right" to force your stupid mythology upon anybody. YOU picked Christinsanity, so it needs to be kept with YOU and nobody else.
That's basically what I've told them for the last twenty years...to believe what ever they wish but leave me out of it. When a son-of-a-bitch tells me they're gonna rise up from the grave and float up to a cloud to meet their ghost pal while I'll be burning in an eternal lake of fire because I don't believe their 2000 year old fairy tale I have a message for them. When they meet him up there I'd like for them to say that I sent a message saying "they can both kiss my east Tennessee coon dawg ass."
scpeloquin9

Antigo, WI

#66 Apr 25, 2015
Does anyone see any truth in this? If we as believers in Jesus share the gospel with a non-believer, is it not judging them to not be a follower of Christ? We, in America have such a confusing language versus, Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic. It does not necessarily match up well in interpretation just "judging by the way we use the word love." Sure we are not to condemn anyone to hell; that is never our job at all. But to judge a fruit of a person's life can be okay, as long as the intention is to make them aware that there may be a better way. A "Judge" in a court listens to the evidence of a case and then makes judgement against something that is wrong. This we can do also, as that is part of discernment of right and wrong. But we do not have to condemn a person to hell by condemning an action. As a father condemns an action of a child, he can then bring the child to right again through discipline (meaning training and encouragement) and/or punishment that fits the wrong action. Not with the intention of condemning his child to hell, but to restoring them to a right relationship again. Doing what is wrong in anyone's life brings consequences, some that last a lifetime. It may even cause mistrust even after recompense has occurred. It may take time to earn that trust back. In that, others may still mistrust (judge) you for a time until you prove yourself again. These things are a way of life for humans, as we are weak. That is why we need Jesus to help us discern the best way to judge things, especially starting with ourselves.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#67 Apr 25, 2015
scpeloquin9 wrote:
Does anyone see any truth in this? If we as believers in Jesus share the gospel with a non-believer, is it not judging them to not be a follower of Christ?
Good point. This thread is bogus.

Ezekiel 33:8 (NKJV)
8 When I say to the wicked,'O wicked man, you shall surely die!' and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
truthandcommonse nse

Toronto, Canada

#69 Apr 26, 2015
Justice League wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, just wow. What an amazing message here. Thank God for my Christian brothers and sisters too.
Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies. Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.
THE BIBLE ALREADY DIRTY

Indonesia

#71 Apr 28, 2015
BIBLE IS NOT THE BOOK OF HOLY, BECAUSE WORD OF GOD ORIGINAL ALREADY THROWN AWAY, OVERHAULED, FALSIFIED, DISTORTED, LITTERED, TAMPERED

(1) THE BIBLE HAS BEEN OVERHAULED

Numbers 15:31
Because he has despised the word of the Lord and His command overhauled; that person must be cut off, the error will be crushed by it. "
Psalm, 119: 126
The time to act has come for the Lord; they have overhauled YOUR LAW.
Galatians 2:18
For if I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove myself a transgressor.

(2) THE BIBLE HAS BEEN FALSIFIED

Jeremiah 8: 8:
How do you dare say:'We are wise, and we have the law of the Lord?' Indeed, PENA FAKE letter maker already made BE LIE.

(3) THE BIBLE HAS BEEN DISTORTED

Jeremiah 23:36
But the burden of the Lord ye shall call-mentioned anymore, because that becomes a burden for every man is his own words, so you distort the words of the living GOD, the Lord of hosts, our God.

(4) THE BIBLE HAS BEEN LITTERED

Barnabas 72:11.
However, beware ye if ye will CHEATED PEOPLE, for surely will come some people are FALSE PROPHET; they take my words and contaminate GOSPEL. "

(5) THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED

Barnabas 72.13.
Jesus answered, "Truly, he will not come on you this time, but it will come later many years behind you, that at the time of his gospel is destroyed and there is almost no longer thirty believers.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#72 Apr 28, 2015
THE BIBLE ALREADY DIRTY wrote:
BIBLE IS NOT THE BOOK OF HOLY, BECAUSE WORD OF GOD ORIGINAL ALREADY THROWN AWAY, OVERHAULED, FALSIFIED, DISTORTED, LITTERED, TAMPERED
(1) THE BIBLE HAS BEEN OVERHAULED
You're a messenger of the Devil. The Devil is leading you to Hell fire.

Rev 20 They shall be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER ....

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