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“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#1 Dec 23, 2011
Here is a scripture related to judging those outside the Church. All scripture I have ever seen that outlines how to judge/rebuke is exclusively written for believers judging believers.

This scripture specifically says we are NOT to judge those outside the church.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 NIV

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.“Expel the wicked person from among you.”

How are we to treat non-believers?

Witnessing by word and by action, we are to bring others to Christ through the fruits of The Spirit we have. Showing our joy, peace, hope and love can bring others to Christ as a nonbeliever may decide they want what we have. Bitterness, hatred and condemnation are not fruits of The Spirit, and are not something most would want to have, so if that is what we appear to offer, those will not bring others to Christ as they are not Biblical behaviours/methods.

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#2 Dec 23, 2011
What if a non-believer curses you?

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[a] Do not be conceited.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written:“It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[b] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[c]

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#3 Dec 23, 2011
Seriously__ wrote:
What if a non-believer curses you?
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[a] Do not be conceited.
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written:“It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[b] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[c]
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Sorry, this is Romans 12:17-21
jooce

Long Beach, CA

#4 Dec 23, 2011
Even though we've all done it, judgment of others is unwise because we do not know the circumstances that have led to a soul taking a certain path in life. If all those so-called faithful Christians understood this, there should be far less of it.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#5 Dec 23, 2011
Seriously__ wrote:
What if a non-believer curses you?
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[a] Do not be conceited.
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written:“It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[b] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[c]
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Don't let "The Sicko Doctor" & his MPD sock puppet show see this, or he'll probably accuse you of being a homosexual for pointing out his failure and Christian fakeness.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#6 Dec 23, 2011
jooce wrote:
Even though we've all done it, judgment of others is unwise because we do not know the circumstances that have led to a soul taking a certain path in life. If all those so-called faithful Christians understood this, there should be far less of it.
Yes, you should not be so judgmental, especially since you are always wrong.
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Shelby, OH

#7 Dec 23, 2011
Seriously__ wrote:
Here is a scripture related to judging those outside the Church. All scripture I have ever seen that outlines how to judge/rebuke is exclusively written for believers judging believers.
This scripture specifically says we are NOT to judge those outside the church.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.“Expel the wicked person from among you.”
How are we to treat non-believers?
Witnessing by word and by action, we are to bring others to Christ through the fruits of The Spirit we have. Showing our joy, peace, hope and love can bring others to Christ as a nonbeliever may decide they want what we have. Bitterness, hatred and condemnation are not fruits of The Spirit, and are not something most would want to have, so if that is what we appear to offer, those will not bring others to Christ as they are not Biblical behaviours/methods.
Ok I agree we shouldn’t judge their salvation or condemn them. But there is a difference between judging and rebuking, warning or correcting. Rebuking, warning and correcting is not judging. And didn’t Paul tell Timothy to be bold in his preaching the gospel when he gave Timothy this charge:

“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”(2 Tim 2-5)

Here is why when we preach, we correct, rebuke and encourage the sinner:

“Remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.(James 5:20)

I don’t believe the Bible teaches us to judge them as far as their salvation is concerned. But I do believe that in love and encouragement we should correct and rebuke.
jooce

Long Beach, CA

#8 Dec 23, 2011
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok I agree we shouldn’t judge their salvation or condemn them. But there is a difference between judging and rebuking, warning or correcting. Rebuking, warning and correcting is not judging. And didn’t Paul tell Timothy to be bold in his preaching the gospel when he gave Timothy this charge:
“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”(2 Tim 2-5)
Here is why when we preach, we correct, rebuke and encourage the sinner:
“Remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.(James 5:20)
I don’t believe the Bible teaches us to judge them as far as their salvation is concerned. But I do believe that in love and encouragement we should correct and rebuke.
To correct and rebuke is the reason you don't make many converts. Christianity is dying on the vine. Thank gawd.
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Shelby, OH

#9 Dec 23, 2011
jooce wrote:
<quoted text>To correct and rebuke is the reason you don't make many converts. Christianity is dying on the vine. Thank gawd.
Well, actually your quite in error. The church is growing rapidly throughout Africa and Latin America. By the church I mean the evangelicals not the Catholic church.
RCash

Tinley Park, IL

#10 Dec 23, 2011
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok I agree we shouldn’t judge their salvation or condemn them. But there is a difference between judging and rebuking, warning or correcting. Rebuking, warning and correcting is not judging. And didn’t Paul tell Timothy to be bold in his preaching the gospel when he gave Timothy this charge:
“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”(2 Tim 2-5)
Here is why when we preach, we correct, rebuke and encourage the sinner:
“Remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.(James 5:20)
I don’t believe the Bible teaches us to judge them as far as their salvation is concerned. But I do believe that in love and encouragement we should correct and rebuke.
James 5:19-20 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Read James 5 in context ... it's talking about correcting sinners INSIDE the church. Timothy is also talking about preaching the gospel boldly to those inside the church.

I agree with the original poster, scripture tells us to judge those INSIDE the church, we are NOT to judge those OUTSIDE the church.

Unfortunately, most christians want to do the exact opposite.

They excuse and cover up the sins of those who are inside the church (especially the sins of popular church leaders) and rebuke those outside the church for their sins. No wonder those who are outside the church think all christians are hypocrites.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#11 Dec 23, 2011
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, actually your quite in error. The church is growing rapidly throughout Africa and Latin America. By the church I mean the evangelicals not the Catholic church.
Scientific literacy in the United States is twenty percent. What is the scientific literacy in the countries of your best success?
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Shelby, OH

#12 Dec 23, 2011
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientific literacy in the United States is twenty percent. What is the scientific literacy in the countries of your best success?
Why so you can mock them too?

“Jesus heals but I got medicine”

Since: Nov 11

W Hollywood, CA Spy

#13 Dec 23, 2011
Seriously__ wrote:
Why, is it because you are a nonbeliever. Sorry, stop lying, Jesus judged nonbelievers and so did John the Baptist. As a matter of fact, all the people that Jesus judged were not Christians.

Jesus told Peter "Get thee behind me Satan", Peter was not a Christian, yet.

John the Baptist judged King Herod, his wife and his evil daughter.

Jesus judged the Pharises, they were not believers.

Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"

Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus,“Do not judge, or you too will be judged”(Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

Part of the problem we have with judging is that when people say "judge" they usually mean or imply "condemn." But judging means much more than that.

"To judge" means "to make a distinction" or "to separate." You judge every day, in every aspect of life. You had to make a judgment in order to decide what clothes to wear today, or what to eat. You are also responsible for judging between truth and error.

When we look at scripture on judging, it is important that we pay attention to who is being addressed.
Romans 2:1.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whoever thou art that judgest: for in that thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

At first glance, this verse seems to forbid judging, and to warn that when you judge someone else, you are condemning yourself. But who is it talking to? Those who judge others for doing the same things they are doing. If you fall into that category, then you are indeed condemning yourself when you judge someone else! But this is not a blanket prohibition against judging.

What God wants is not for us to avoid judging, but instead to judge rightly.

Luke 7:40-43.
And Jesus answering said to him, Simon, I have somewhat to say to thee. And he saith, Master, speak.
There was a certain creditor who had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Simon answered and said, I suppose that [he], to whom he forgave most. And he said to him, Thou hast rightly judged.

In this passage, Jesus invited Simon the Pharisee to make a judgment, then commended him when he judged rightly. God wants us to make right, or righteous, judgments.
jooce

Long Beach, CA

#14 Dec 23, 2011
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, actually your quite in error. The church is growing rapidly throughout Africa and Latin America. By the church I mean the evangelicals not the Catholic church.
And what does evangelical stand for? Perpetual wars against those who won't tow the line against your perceived enemies. But I have good news! The world is waking up for only science and scientific inventions will save this earth. It's exciting as I've read about some of them. You bible thumpers have had your chance for 2000 years to change the world for the betterment of all and what did we get for it? Thousands of children and their parents still dying everyday in abject filth and poverty while you 'evangelicals' suck in vast hoards of treasure and hide it in marble slated temples dedicated to your invisable war god in the sky. But He still loves us all, right?

“Jesus heals but I got medicine”

Since: Nov 11

W Hollywood, CA Spy

#15 Dec 23, 2011
RCash wrote:
<quoted text>
James 5:19-20 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Read James 5 in context ... it's talking about correcting sinners INSIDE the church. Timothy is also talking about preaching the gospel boldly to those inside the church.
I agree with the original poster, scripture tells us to judge those INSIDE the church, we are NOT to judge those OUTSIDE the church.
Unfortunately, most christians want to do the exact opposite.
They excuse and cover up the sins of those who are inside the church (especially the sins of popular church leaders) and rebuke those outside the church for their sins. No wonder those who are outside the church think all christians are hypocrites.
You said this: "Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins." Believers are not sinners, they re saved, and therefore not sinners, although once they have become believers, they can sin. Believers are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. We are beeen transformed from unrighteousness, sin, to righteousness, the image of Christ Jesus.
(These are not just words)

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#16 Dec 23, 2011
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok I agree we shouldn’t judge their salvation or condemn them. But there is a difference between judging and rebuking, warning or correcting. Rebuking, warning and correcting is not judging. And didn’t Paul tell Timothy to be bold in his preaching the gospel when he gave Timothy this charge:
“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.”(2 Tim 2-5)
Here is why when we preach, we correct, rebuke and encourage the sinner:
“Remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.(James 5:20)
I don’t believe the Bible teaches us to judge them as far as their salvation is concerned. But I do believe that in love and encouragement we should correct and rebuke.
Correct and rebuke by what standards? If I told you that you were not living up to the standards of an officer of The Federation of Planets as outlined in Star Trek, would you change your behaviour? Our Bible and God are no more real to them than the regulations of The Federation of Planets is to you and I. Sharing the Gospel to those who wish to hear it, and showing our Christian walk and fruits of the spirit will do more to help a non-believer than rebuking them with standards they do not believe in.

Do you wish to be held to the tenets of Islam, Buddhist or Hinduism? Why? Because, you do not believe in the foundations of those belief systems. Do you expect a non-believer to adhere to tenets of a belief system they believe is mythical when you will not?

If we can bring them to Christ, then we have a common belief system for mutual correction and The Holy Spirit will aid in all of our behaviour modifications.

Regardless, I have never found a scripture that states a believer is to correct or rebuke a non-believer. I have challenged a few on here, and I have looked up about 30 or so scriptures that they stated showed we should rebuke them, and all of them, when read completely, were from a believer to a believer. My thoughts are, we are not instructed to correct and rebuke a non-believer for the reasons I listed above.

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#17 Dec 23, 2011
jooce wrote:
Even though we've all done it, judgment of others is unwise because we do not know the circumstances that have led to a soul taking a certain path in life. If all those so-called faithful Christians understood this, there should be far less of it.
Judgement of others is unwise for many reasons, one of which you listed. As a Christian, I feel it Christs job to judge and I would be presumptuous to say the least to attempt to usurp Him of His position.

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#18 Dec 23, 2011
RCash wrote:
<quoted text>
James 5:19-20 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Read James 5 in context ... it's talking about correcting sinners INSIDE the church. Timothy is also talking about preaching the gospel boldly to those inside the church.
I agree with the original poster, scripture tells us to judge those INSIDE the church, we are NOT to judge those OUTSIDE the church.
Unfortunately, most christians want to do the exact opposite.
They excuse and cover up the sins of those who are inside the church (especially the sins of popular church leaders) and rebuke those outside the church for their sins. No wonder those who are outside the church think all christians are hypocrites.
I tend to agree. It is viewed as easier to focus on others (non-believers usually) than to correct from within, starting with ourselves. I imagine most feel it is uncomfortable to correct a brother or sister you attend church with every Sunday or who is in your own family.

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#19 Dec 23, 2011
The Bible does not say we are not to judge others. It says we are to correct from within the church. It never says to correct those outside the church.
jooce

Long Beach, CA

#20 Dec 23, 2011
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientific literacy in the United States is twenty percent. What is the scientific literacy in the countries of your best success?
Zilch! Now if they could figure out the science behind being born again, they'd sell it for every penny the market could bear.

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