socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#41 Feb 21, 2013

• Columbus Sailed the Ocean Blue in 1492


The explorer Christopher Columbus was a member of the Roman Catholic Franciscan Order [1][2], and sailed with a crew under the flag of the Knights Templar.[3][4][5][6][7]

In 1493 the Pope gave all of the Americas to the Spanish Inquisition.[8][9][10][11][12] Soon after, Spain began slaughtering and subjugating the Natives, and bringing in African slaves to all the Americas.[13][14][15][16]
http://protocolhistory.webs.com/columbus1492....
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#42 Feb 21, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
I am unaware of any oral Christian tradition that has survived intact to this day. The oldest known complete copies of the New Testament date to the 4th century; the time that the Roman Emperor Constantine declared that Christianity as defined by the First Council of Nicaea was the only true Christianity. Constantine commissioned 50 Bibles and it is entirely possible that anything that Constantine did not like was omitted or changed.
To be truthful with you, I don't think Constantine read any of the scriptural agreements made at Nicea.
Let alone, read any of the beautiful hand written illuminated Bibles he ordered.
In fact, I'm not sure there's any proof Constantine was even literate.
He, like many 'barbarian kings' of his day is said to have signed his name to official documents by tracing a brass template.
Constantine was a warrior.

He called the synod of Nicea because he just wanted the bishops to come to agreement on any loose ends in doctrine between the many distant colloquial kyria in order to avoid sectarian conflict and to unify his empire.

By the way, did you know Constantine never ruled from Rome?
He built his capitol city at Constaninople, the city of seven hills that sits on many waters.
Today it's called Istanbul.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#43 Feb 21, 2013
socci wrote:
• Columbus Sailed the Ocean Blue in 1492
The explorer Christopher Columbus was a member of the Roman Catholic Franciscan Order [1][2], and sailed with a crew under the flag of the Knights Templar.[3][4][5][6][7]
In 1493 the Pope gave all of the Americas to the Spanish Inquisition.[8][9][10][11][12] Soon after, Spain began slaughtering and subjugating the Natives, and bringing in African slaves to all the Americas.[13][14][15][16]
http://protocolhistory.webs.com/columbus1492....
Two hundred years before the protestant English colony of Jamestown was established, The Catholic Church was building a cathedral in Mexico City. It is still one of the largest Cathedrals in The Americas.

At about that same time The Jesuits and Franciscans had imported a printing press to use in their Indian schools to print instructional aids in the Indians native language for their education.

Meanwhile, those barbaric protestants became engaged in systematic genocide of the native peoples in the north while importing African slaves to work their plantations.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#44 Feb 21, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
To be truthful with you, I don't think Constantine read any of the scriptural agreements made at Nicea.
Let alone, read any of the beautiful hand written illuminated Bibles he ordered.
In fact, I'm not sure there's any proof Constantine was even literate.
He, like many 'barbarian kings' of his day is said to have signed his name to official documents by tracing a brass template.
Constantine was a warrior.
He called the synod of Nicea because he just wanted the bishops to come to agreement on any loose ends in doctrine between the many distant colloquial kyria in order to avoid sectarian conflict and to unify his empire.
By the way, did you know Constantine never ruled from Rome?
He built his capitol city at Constaninople, the city of seven hills that sits on many waters.
Today it's called Istanbul.
"Resplendent in purple and gold, Constantine made a ceremonial entrance at the opening of the council [First council of Nicea]… himself proceeded through the midst of the assembly, like some heavenly messenger of God…”- Bishop Eusabius 339 CE, from his book “Vita Constantini”[Life of Constantine]

Constantine exiled those who refused to accept the Nicean creed (Arius, the deacon Euzoios, and the Libyan bishops Theonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemais, and also the bishops who signed the creed but refused to join in condemnation of Arius. He also ordered all copies of the Thalia, the book in which Arius had expressed his teachings, to be burned.

“…the church before Constantine was not one congregation but a loose constellation of churches based in private houses or, as time went on and the community grew, meeting in rented halls in markets and public baths. It was without any single dominant ruling officer....Whatever his personal beliefs, Constantine's political interest in Christianity was as a unifying force and his policy was the imposition of unity on the churches at all costs.”- Eamon Duffy, Irish Professor of the History of Christianity at the University of Cambridge
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#45 Feb 21, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
"Resplendent in purple and gold, Constantine made a ceremonial entrance at the opening of the council [First council of Nicea]… himself proceeded through the midst of the assembly, like some heavenly messenger of God…”- Bishop Eusabius 339 CE, from his book “Vita Constantini”[Life of Constantine]

Constantine exiled those who refused to accept the Nicean creed (Arius, the deacon Euzoios, and the Libyan bishops Theonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemais, and also the bishops who signed the creed but refused to join in condemnation of Arius. He also ordered all copies of the Thalia, the book in which Arius had expressed his teachings, to be burned.

“…the church before Constantine was not one congregation but a loose constellation of churches based in private houses or, as time went on and the community grew, meeting in rented halls in markets and public baths. It was without any single dominant ruling officer....Whatever his personal beliefs, Constantine's political interest in Christianity was as a unifying force and his policy was the imposition of unity on the churches at all costs.”- Eamon Duffy, Irish Professor of the History of Christianity at the University of Cambridge
Good Stuff, Big Al.
This was the problem Constantine faced, of unifying the empire in Christianity.

Remember that before Constantine reigned, Christians had been severely persecuted and it was difficult to communicate with one church in one land from another church in another land. Ecclesial unity was nearly impossible. It was downright dangerous and life threatening.
All the different regional churches had the gospel, but over the years some of the teachings had been distorted, with the likes of the Arian heresey. There was little central leadership, but a large amount of agreement.

A rudderless ship might run aground in rough waters. This was what Constantine wanted to avoid because Christianity was growing very strong in his newly won empire.
This empire encompassed much of the known world.
All the surrounding Mediterranean nations, the middle east into Persia, Greece, Asia Minor and much of Europe.
There were no Muslims then.

So Constantine called the synod of Nicea because he just wanted the bishops to come to agreement on any loose ends in doctrine between the many distant colloquial kyria in order to avoid sectarian conflict and to unify his empire.

He had a tough job and wanted to maintain peace so he could build the kingdom of his dreams, Constantinople, the monument to himself.

It's great to be king.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#46 Feb 22, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Good Stuff, Big Al.
This was the problem Constantine faced, of unifying the empire in Christianity.
Remember that before Constantine reigned, Christians had been severely persecuted and it was difficult to communicate with one church in one land from another church in another land. Ecclesial unity was nearly impossible. It was downright dangerous and life threatening.
All the different regional churches had the gospel, but over the years some of the teachings had been distorted, with the likes of the Arian heresey. There was little central leadership, but a large amount of agreement.
A rudderless ship might run aground in rough waters. This was what Constantine wanted to avoid because Christianity was growing very strong in his newly won empire.
This empire encompassed much of the known world.
All the surrounding Mediterranean nations, the middle east into Persia, Greece, Asia Minor and much of Europe.
There were no Muslims then.
So Constantine called the synod of Nicea because he just wanted the bishops to come to agreement on any loose ends in doctrine between the many distant colloquial kyria in order to avoid sectarian conflict and to unify his empire.
He had a tough job and wanted to maintain peace so he could build the kingdom of his dreams, Constantinople, the monument to himself.
It's great to be king.
“Constantine had invited all 1800 bishops of the Christian church [to the First council of Nicea]…” Eusebius of Caesaria, "Life of Constantine "

Eusebius counted only 220. Many of the bishops had been maimed or their predecessors had been killed by Roman soldiers. Most were understandably reluctant to attend. The Bishops that attended were obviously attempting to gain favor with the Emperor as Eusebius’ description so eloquently illustrates.

Nothing happened in the Empire that displeased Constantine which is why it is entirely possible that the Bibles he commissioned were altered to suit him. Make no mistake nothing happened at the First council of Nicea that displeased Constantine and nothing was printed (copied) that displeased Constantine.

The Roman Emperor Constantine most probably had a greater effect on Christianity and Christian beliefs than any other historical figure. Before Constantine Christianity was a community of very diverse beliefs. There was Sabellianism, Monophysitism, Adoptionism, Nestorianism, Apollinarism and Manicheanism as well as Arianism. This diversity did not benefit Constantine. Christianity became what it needed to become to benefit Constantine.
Lordofnuts

Lexington, NC

#47 Feb 22, 2013
Alvin wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Lord of Nuts: Great comments. Southern Baptist have damned my book out of hand without having read it. History is history. I have been a Southern Baptist pastor for 40 years and everything in that book is correct. Much of what you posted is in the book. How is it possible for so many people to be ignorant as to their own history? It was a joy to read your comments...truth is truth regardless of its source.
Alvin I didn't pay much attention to this when you posted it because there are lots of nuts on here and the post didn't make sense. I then realized I recognized your name from somewhere. I'm a former Baptist myself and remember your name but not sure where exactly. Did you have a radio show or maybe on PBS or a guest on Bill M.?

I couldn't find out much about your book because it seems to be new. Who would you consider your target audience? A target audience may be a tough one here? I know I could just read it but my free time is very limited. Are you still an active preacher? A 40 year Baptist preacher with a PHD would have a very strong draw if you ever decided to come out of the closet and explain how you finally discovered religion is man-made and no gods ever wrote a holy text! As more people like myself leave Christianity we have a strong desire to read the stories of others who have left and former pastors are a best seller! LOL

I'm just joking around with you and realize you probably make a living being a preacher and nothing wrong with that. It's nice to have a discussion with a preacher that doesn't say you're going to hell in the first sentence! Its just not scary now that I know it is a myth! If you're who I think you might be and would like to talk to me in private about a potentially lucrative book idea, I can leave a secure email addy here.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#48 Feb 22, 2013
Lordofnuts wrote:
<quoted text>Alvin I didn't pay much attention to this when you posted it because there are lots of nuts on here and the post didn't make sense. I then realized I recognized your name from somewhere. I'm a former Baptist myself and remember your name but not sure where exactly. Did you have a radio show or maybe on PBS or a guest on Bill M.?
I couldn't find out much about your book because it seems to be new. Who would you consider your target audience? A target audience may be a tough one here? I know I could just read it but my free time is very limited. Are you still an active preacher? A 40 year Baptist preacher with a PHD would have a very strong draw if you ever decided to come out of the closet and explain how you finally discovered religion is man-made and no gods ever wrote a holy text! As more people like myself leave Christianity we have a strong desire to read the stories of others who have left and former pastors are a best seller! LOL
I'm just joking around with you and realize you probably make a living being a preacher and nothing wrong with that. It's nice to have a discussion with a preacher that doesn't say you're going to hell in the first sentence! Its just not scary now that I know it is a myth! If you're who I think you might be and would like to talk to me in private about a potentially lucrative book idea, I can leave a secure email addy here.
You can't leave Christianity. It's not some religion that you choose to follow. A REAL Christian is a born again child of the living God, a son or daughter heir through Christ . A REAL Christian is purchased with the BLOOD of Christ Jesus, we were bought with a price.

Sadly so many FAKE Christians think that because they go to church or become a pastor that that automatically makes them a Christian. It doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. "Ye must be born again!"

Luckily the bible warns about your kind.

1 John 2:19- They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#49 Feb 22, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
You can't leave Christianity. It's not some religion that you choose to follow. A REAL Christian is a born again child of the living God, a son or daughter heir through Christ . A REAL Christian is purchased with the BLOOD of Christ Jesus, we were bought with a price.

There is certainly no OSAS. There remains sin. Some do in fact leave for a life of sin and never had much faith to begin with. Especially these Baptists. Catholics too. But I know about the Baptists as a former one myself. They dont focus enuff on truth about creation. They accept theistic evolution & gap theory, same as Catholics. Without creation the book seems like fiction as God is Creator. We have to know God created and Genesis is a scientific fact. The SDA church are good at this since the 7th day is dependent upon... Creation! This is why so many youth go off into secular state schools and never return to the Church. They dont believe. If they did believe it would give them the strength to overcome all the perils of life (sex, drugs & RnR). Many never find the Church again. If they do, such as myself, it is only much later in life after many of life's lessons. All this could be avoided.

And i would point out many of the Baptist pastors are sold out deceivers from college seminary on down - secret society initiates. They run all the churches. Even SDA. When they write books it's as propagandists.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#50 Feb 22, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
There is certainly no OSAS. There remains sin. Some do in fact leave for a life of sin and never had much faith to begin with. Especially these Baptists. Catholics too. But I know about the Baptists as a former one myself. They dont focus enuff on truth about creation. They accept theistic evolution & gap theory, same as Catholics. Without creation the book seems like fiction as God is Creator. We have to know God created and Genesis is a scientific fact. The SDA church are good at this since the 7th day is dependent upon... Creation! This is why so many youth go off into secular state schools and never return to the Church. They dont believe. If they did believe it would give them the strength to overcome all the perils of life (sex, drugs & RnR). Many never find the Church again. If they do, such as myself, it is only much later in life after many of life's lessons. All this could be avoided.
And i would point out many of the Baptist pastors are sold out deceivers from college seminary on down - secret society initiates. They run all the churches. Even SDA. When they write books it's as propagandists.
How do you propose to 'avoid all the perils' of not believing the entire fate of humanity hinges on an argument over a pomegranate between a naked lady and a talking snake? Please be specific.

“Atheism is the right choice”

Since: Jun 12

Ringwood, Australia

#51 Feb 22, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't leave Christianity. It's not some religion that you choose to follow. A REAL Christian is a born again child of the living God, a son or daughter heir through Christ . A REAL Christian is purchased with the BLOOD of Christ Jesus, we were bought with a price.
Sadly so many FAKE Christians think that because they go to church or become a pastor that that automatically makes them a Christian. It doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. "Ye must be born again!"
Luckily the bible warns about your kind.
1 John 2:19- They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I left it
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#52 Feb 22, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
How do you propose to 'avoid all the perils' of not believing the entire fate of humanity hinges on an argument over a pomegranate between a naked lady and a talking snake? Please be specific.

Still on Batists, and many others too; when the children are sent off to the state public schools they are in a worldly education that does not teach the Bible. So why would any Christian do this? Yet most do.

The Bible teaches the world began by God creating and events to follow. We were not there to see this but do find evidence for it, such as granite. Granites were created by God before Adam and Eve.

Anyway, there's two kinds of education. Send the children off to worldly schools and expect worldly adults to come home.

This is why many churches have their own schools, and others homeschool. Even then some will rebel since we all have that choice. And some of the state schoolers will do alright as well.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#53 Feb 22, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
There is certainly no OSAS. There remains sin. Some do in fact leave for a life of sin and never had much faith to begin with. Especially these Baptists. Catholics too. But I know about the Baptists as a former one myself. They dont focus enuff on truth about creation. They accept theistic evolution & gap theory, same as Catholics. Without creation the book seems like fiction as God is Creator. We have to know God created and Genesis is a scientific fact. The SDA church are good at this since the 7th day is dependent upon... Creation! This is why so many youth go off into secular state schools and never return to the Church. They dont believe. If they did believe it would give them the strength to overcome all the perils of life (sex, drugs & RnR). Many never find the Church again. If they do, such as myself, it is only much later in life after many of life's lessons. All this could be avoided.
And i would point out many of the Baptist pastors are sold out deceivers from college seminary on down - secret society initiates. They run all the churches. Even SDA. When they write books it's as propagandists.
That's only the Harlot Southern Baptist Convention. REAL Baptists don't have anything to do with freemasonry or secret societies.

Yes, many fakes do leave to go back to a life of hardened sin and unbelief but they were obviously never saved to begin with. Sure some people backslide and lose their rewards but a REAL Christian is sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.(Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30)(John 5:24, 2 Timothy 1:12, John 10:27-29, Romans 8:38-39, Jude 1:24-25, 1 Corinthians 3:10-16)
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#54 Feb 22, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you propose to 'avoid all the perils' of not believing the entire fate of humanity hinges on an argument over a pomegranate between a naked lady and a talking snake? Please be specific.
Man I don't know about you, but I gotta believe that the first ten or eleven chapters of Genesis are campfire tales of handed down history and traditions that were later written down by Moses or some Levites to teach a simple people some basic lessons.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#55 Feb 22, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you propose to 'avoid all the perils' of not believing the entire fate of humanity hinges on an argument over a pomegranate between a naked lady and a talking snake? Please be specific.
The Word of God is 100% true, every single thing inside the Holy Bible happened just as the Word said it did. Evolution is an asinine lie from the Devil. 15th, if you want the TRUTH, open up Genesis 1:1 and start reading.........

I'll even link to it for you:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#56 Feb 22, 2013
Sceptical_Mal wrote:
<quoted text>
I left it
No you haven't.
You're still here hanging around The Cristian Forum because you're curious and perhaps a little worried.

But that's Okay, stick around, you might learn something.

“Atheism is the right choice”

Since: Jun 12

Ringwood, Australia

#57 Feb 22, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
No you haven't.
You're still here hanging around The Cristian Forum because you're curious and perhaps a little worried.
But that's Okay, stick around, you might learn something.
I'm not worried about anything, if I went to church because I was worried would that make me a Christian? Hedging my bets kind of? I wouldn't think so.

RR says I never was a Christian anyway, so that's pretty well cleared it up for me.

And I do learn a lot of stuff on here, I don't always post but read is forum every night. I just find a lot of the stuff interesting - and the people.

Have a great weekend.
Lordofnuts

Knoxville, TN

#58 Feb 23, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't leave Christianity. It's not some religion that you choose to follow. A REAL Christian is a born again child of the living God, a son or daughter heir through Christ . A REAL Christian is purchased with the BLOOD of Christ Jesus, we were bought with a price.
Sadly so many FAKE Christians think that because they go to church or become a pastor that that automatically makes them a Christian. It doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. "Ye must be born again!"
Yes you can leave Christianity genius! A few hundred years ago you could have burned me at the stake for leaving but not today. Most people don't choose to follow religion, they are brainwashed with it from childhood. If we choose religion there would be an equal distribution instead of the majority keeping the faith of their childhood.

I was a real born again Christian, I was saved, I prayed, it looked like God answered some prayers and then I found the truth! You don't know what a Christian is! You don't know who or what Christ was, if he was more than a myth! You don't know what saved means! You don't know if you're "saved" or not! You just know what you have been told by man. How can you tell 100% if you're saved? What does it feel like? Does it feel different than all the other followers of any other religion? They feel 100% saved and some will bet their life on it today with a suicide bomb, will you? Those are rhetorical questions that I already know the answer to so you can skip the psycho-babble unless you just fell like preaching! LOL

You're just another victim of the biggest hoax ever pulled on mankind! The Roman Hoax for Romans Road! LOL... If there is a creator of the universe and "IT", not he wants me to know something, I will! I don't need your book of stolen mythology and lies that promotes slavery, rape, pillage, murder and the suppression of women! If I was never a real Christian and you are, that's great! Why not pray for me to finally be overcome by the holy spirit? I will be your biggest fan, running all over Topix singing the praises of Romans Road! Just make sure you tell the holy spirit to smack the shat out of me and say "that was the fake holy spirit / saved feeling last time but I'm the real holy spirit", just so I know it's the real deal this time! May one of the many Gods bless you!
Lordofnuts

Knoxville, TN

#59 Feb 23, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
There is certainly no OSAS. There remains sin. Some do in fact leave for a life of sin and never had much faith to begin with. Especially these Baptists. Catholics too. But I know about the Baptists as a former one myself. They dont focus enuff on truth about creation. They accept theistic evolution & gap theory, same as Catholics. Without creation the book seems like fiction as God is Creator. We have to know God created and Genesis is a scientific fact. The SDA church are good at this since the 7th day is dependent upon... Creation! This is why so many youth go off into secular state schools and never return to the Church. They dont believe. If they did believe it would give them the strength to overcome all the perils of life (sex, drugs & RnR). Many never find the Church again. If they do, such as myself, it is only much later in life after many of life's lessons. All this could be avoided.
And i would point out many of the Baptist pastors are sold out deceivers from college seminary on down - secret society initiates. They run all the churches. Even SDA. When they write books it's as propagandists.
Damn Baptists don't have the true word of God but you do! Damn Catholics don't have the true word of God but you do! You use to be a Baptist. LOL.. Let me tell you a little secret that will remove much stress from your confused little mind. When ever you yourself think you have discovered the true word of God whether it be one of the thousands of sects of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism or any other religion on earth, congratulations, you found your true word of God. If you're smart enough to figure out the creator of the universe didn't create the Bible, that's great (also shocking), if you never figure it out, well that's Okay also. Just try to minimize the damage and keep it out of politics and don't start holy wars over who has the best imaginary friend!

Don't worry be happy! May one of the many Gods bless you!
Lordofnuts

Knoxville, TN

#60 Feb 23, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Still on Batists, and many others too; when the children are sent off to the state public schools they are in a worldly education that does not teach the Bible. So why would any Christian do this? Yet most do.
The Bible teaches the world began by God creating and events to follow. We were not there to see this but do find evidence for it, such as granite. Granites were created by God before Adam and Eve.
Anyway, there's two kinds of education. Send the children off to worldly schools and expect worldly adults to come home.
This is why many churches have their own schools, and others homeschool. Even then some will rebel since we all have that choice. And some of the state schoolers will do alright as well.
The person you replied to (15th) is much smarter than you and I'm afraid the question went right over your head! Go back, read it slowly and carefully, then try again!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Christian Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
The antichrist 12 min Ofo Oao 20
Do You Support Military Action Against ISIS 13 min Blodewedd 215
"God wanted women in the home in this time" 18 min Ofo Oao 17
Cookie's Place (Oct '13) 31 min Cookie_Parker 13,786
Ministers' mixed messages on freedom and rights 37 min Blodewedd 1
Who stole the keys to Heaven? 37 min Peaches1943 604
This Christian Forum is a absolute EMBARRASSMENT 40 min QUITTNER Oct 1 2014 7
I don't understand 1 hr Truth 146

Christian People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE