Southern Baptists and Slavery

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Al Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#1 Feb 18, 2013
The hidden history of the Southern Baptists. Why does this not matter? The Southern Baptist Convention was the only religious organization to have been founded on the defense of slavery. I would appreciate comments on my book on this subject. "Southern Baptists and Southern Slavery: The Forgotten Crime Against Humanity.

http://www.amazon.com/Southern-Baptists-Slave...
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2 Feb 18, 2013
Al Carpenter wrote:
The hidden history of the Southern Baptists. Why does this not matter? The Southern Baptist Convention was the only religious organization to have been founded on the defense of slavery. I would appreciate comments on my book on this subject. "Southern Baptists and Southern Slavery: The Forgotten Crime Against Humanity.
http://www.amazon.com/Southern-Baptists-Slave...
Yup, that's why the Baptist's split, they sold their soul for slavery.

Baptist preachers accommodated themselves to the leadership of southern society.
Rather than challenging the gentry on slavery and urging manumission they began to interpret the Bible as supporting the practice of slavery and encouraged good paternalistic practices by slaveholders.
They preached to slaves to accept their places and obey their masters!

In fact, many Baptist preachers in the South argued in favor of preserving the right of ministers to be slaveholders.

Shameful perversion of The Word of God.
Dang protestants.
Al Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#3 Feb 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Yup, that's why the Baptist's split, they sold their soul for slavery.
Baptist preachers accommodated themselves to the leadership of southern society.
Rather than challenging the gentry on slavery and urging manumission they began to interpret the Bible as supporting the practice of slavery and encouraged good paternalistic practices by slaveholders.
They preached to slaves to accept their places and obey their masters!
In fact, many Baptist preachers in the South argued in favor of preserving the right of ministers to be slaveholders.
Shameful perversion of The Word of God.
Dang protestants.
Thanks Cisco. I appreciate your comments. As you can imagine Southern Baptists are very angry with this book and do not want it discussed.

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#4 Feb 18, 2013
Al Carpenter wrote:
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Thanks Cisco. I appreciate your comments. As you can imagine Southern Baptists are very angry with this book and do not want it discussed.
Yawn, that's so old and anyway the Southern Baptists have already publicly apologized for it.
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amresolution.a...

I'm not a fan of the worldly SBC but I will defend by fellow brothers and sisters in Christ when they are attacked.

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#5 Feb 18, 2013
Southern Baptists elect 1st black president
http://news.yahoo.com/southern-baptists-elect...

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Nunya

#6 Feb 18, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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Yawn, that's so old and anyway the Southern Baptists have already publicly apologized for it.
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amresolution.a...
I'm not a fan of the worldly SBC but I will defend by fellow brothers and sisters in Christ when they are attacked.
Funny how the SB's in Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th ammendment that abolished slavery till 1995.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Mississipp...

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#7 Feb 18, 2013
Al Carpenter wrote:
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Thanks Cisco. I appreciate your comments. As you can imagine Southern Baptists are very angry with this book and do not want it discussed.
I grew up in the southeast and was reared as a Southern Baptist, converted to Catholicism as an adult.
Most of my older relatives only knew the stories that were passed down to them as to the subject of slavery.
But, even after the slaves gained their freedom, the story does not stop there.
Segregation was solid in the deep south. I grew up going to a segregated school, church, shopping downtown area, etc.
I happened to be one of those children, and there were some, who just never understood the whole thing.
I can never grasp the 'them and us' thing that I grew up around. And, never really grew into more understanding until becoming an adult, moving completely away from my home state and being exposed to different people, places, different ways of looking at life in general.
I will say that, now, IMO the future lies with the young folks in the south.
So many are so open minded instead of being close minded and 'set in their way of thinking' so to speak.
I am thankful for the progress that has been made thus far, yet, of course, much more is needed. Still, it is better than when I was a young child.:)
Al Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#8 Feb 18, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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Yawn, that's so old and anyway the Southern Baptists have already publicly apologized for it.
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amresolution.a...
I'm not a fan of the worldly SBC but I will defend by fellow brothers and sisters in Christ when they are attacked.
That is not an apology for their participation in, and the defense of slavery. That is a apology for racism! Read it again. In addition, how do you say "sorry" for racism or slavery? In that resolution is their a call for a day of prayer and mourning. No. Nothing.
socci

Lawson, MO

#9 Feb 18, 2013
Not SB, however we do know Jefferson Franklin and Washington all owned slaves. This is indicative of who ran the slavery. It was the fascists same as today. Then who were these Baptist? Freemasons like Washington and the rest.

But it was Spain who brought the Africans to the New World.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_S...

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#10 Feb 18, 2013
Al Carpenter wrote:
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That is not an apology for their participation in, and the defense of slavery. That is a apology for racism! Read it again. In addition, how do you say "sorry" for racism or slavery? In that resolution is their a call for a day of prayer and mourning. No. Nothing.
Other Protestant denominations such as the Methodists and Presbyterian churches also split over slavery. Why do you only focus on the Southern Baptists?

Yes that link that I originally linked to did address slavery. You ask "how does one say they're sorry"? By repenting, admitting that they were wrong, and asking for forgiveness; which is what the SBC and other churches have already done.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/f...

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Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#11 Feb 19, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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Yawn, that's so old and anyway the Southern Baptists have already publicly apologized for it.
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amresolution.a...
I'm not a fan of the worldly SBC but I will defend by fellow brothers and sisters in Christ when they are attacked.
How could people so deeply steeped in Bible reading and teaching have been so wrong?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#12 Feb 19, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>I grew up in the southeast and was reared as a Southern Baptist, converted to Catholicism as an adult.
Most of my older relatives only knew the stories that were passed down to them as to the subject of slavery.
But, even after the slaves gained their freedom, the story does not stop there.
Segregation was solid in the deep south. I grew up going to a segregated school, church, shopping downtown area, etc.
I happened to be one of those children, and there were some, who just never understood the whole thing.
I can never grasp the 'them and us' thing that I grew up around. And, never really grew into more understanding until becoming an adult, moving completely away from my home state and being exposed to different people, places, different ways of looking at life in general.
I will say that, now, IMO the future lies with the young folks in the south.
So many are so open minded instead of being close minded and 'set in their way of thinking' so to speak.
I am thankful for the progress that has been made thus far, yet, of course, much more is needed. Still, it is better than when I was a young child.:)
A very interesting personal insight into the question.
socci

Lawson, MO

#13 Feb 19, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
Segregation was solid in the deep south. I grew up going to a segregated school, church, shopping downtown area, etc.
I happened to be one of those children, and there were some, who just never understood the whole thing.
I can never grasp the 'them and us' thing that I grew up around. And, never really grew into more understanding until becoming an adult, moving completely away from my home state and being exposed to different people, places, different ways of looking at life in general.
I will say that, now, IMO the future lies with the young folks in the south.
So many are so open minded instead of being close minded and 'set in their way of thinking' so to speak.
I am thankful for the progress that has been made thus far, yet, of course, much more is needed. Still, it is better than when I was a young child.:)

The people were firmly against the governments agenda to ending segregation. It has not been a good thing and more will not make things better. Multiculturalism is a catholic agenda to ethnic cleanse the nation, and reason for all the violence in the cities, not the guns. Go to small town where we find a more homogeneous population all armed with guns yet no violence? This is why the UK & Aus cannot be compared to the USA re gun murders, since they are due to greater multiculturalism in the US.

multiculturalism = ethnic cleansing

Its a fact we can do nothing about since the govt is out of touch and out of control but it's not a good thing.

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Location hidden

#14 Feb 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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A very interesting personal insight into the question.
Well, Big Al, you know, I am almost 69, and I grew up in the deep south.
So, I was amply exposed to a certain mindset and how it affected the folks in my small hometown.
I just know that one can be taught to be prejudiced/'brainwashed' and one can grow and learn and see these things for what they are, yet still love these misguided relatives/friends while also really trying to rear their own children differently..which I surely did try to do.
I still say the hope lies within our young folks. I have seen the changes, all good, and I am thankful.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#15 Feb 19, 2013
socci wrote:
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The people were firmly against the governments agenda to ending segregation. It has not been a good thing and more will not make things better. Multiculturalism is a catholic agenda to ethnic cleanse the nation, and reason for all the violence in the cities, not the guns........
multiculturalism = ethnic cleansing........
What foolish, bigoted and uneducated opinions you have.
The Catholic Church is MUCH bigger than the United States and certainly not encouraging violent crime nor ethnic cleansing as an agenda of multi-culturalism.
That is plain foolish nonsense.

If you want to attack ethnic cleansing, why don't you concentrate on the liberal agenda of Pro-Choice, Planned Parenthood and Abortion?
There are more humans murdered via abortion than any violent crimes in the USA.
And the greater percentage of victims are minorities.

As Alan Keyes has pointed out, the Pro-Choice movement essentially is arguing for the baby's rights to be dependent on the mother's desire for it, making women slave-owners, essentially - this is very different from the Declaration of Independence which says the Creator gives us our unalienable rights, rather than them being dependent upon other people.

"Either you can subscribe to the American creed which says that God endowed us with our rights, or you can subscribe to the abortion creed which says that those rights are the consequences of our mother's will."
-Alan Keyes, speech at Southern Methodist University, Feb. 24, 1997.

In May 2012, "Planned Parenthood endorsed Obama with a $1.4 million ad buy."

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States.
Founded by eugenicist Margaret Sanger, it is taxpayer subsidized and tax exempt status and receives federal funding to promote and provide birth control.

Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood and was also a proponent of eugenics, believing that blacks were a racially inferior race, along with being a member of both the American Eugenics Society and the English Eugenics Society.
She has been widely praised by many liberal politicians like Hillary Clinton.

Alan Guttmacher, who was a President of Planned Parenthood from 1962 to 1974 and who was also former Vice-President of the American Eugenics Society, stated:
"We are merely walking down the path that Ms. Sanger has carved out for us."
Similarly, Faye Wattleton, who was the president of Planned Parenthood until 1992, stated that she was "proud" to be "walking in the footsteps" of Margaret Sanger.

In the words of Margaret Sanger;

"We don't want the word out that we want to exterminate the negro population."

"The campaign for Birth Control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical in ideal with the final aim of Eugenics."

"the mass of signficant Negroes, particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more than among whites, is in that portion of the population least intelligent and fit and least able to rear children properly." -
Margaret Sanger - The "Negro Project" quoting W.E.B. DuBois with the omission of one word.

"Before eugenists and others who are laboring for racial betterment can succeed, they must first clear the way for Birth Control. Like the advocates of Birth Control, the eugenists, for instance, are seeking to assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit. Both are seeking a single end but they lay emphasis upon different methods…"

In Margaret Sanger's book The Pivot of Civilization she also called for the elimination of "human weeds," for the segregation of "morons, misfits, and maladjusted," and for the sterilization of "genetically inferior black races."
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#16 Feb 19, 2013
By the way, Margaret Sanger associated with racists and in 1926, she was the guest speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silverlake, New Jersey.

The Ku Klux Klan has long been peopled by members of The Southern Baptist Church.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#17 Feb 19, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Well, Big Al, you know, I am almost 69, and I grew up in the deep south.
So, I was amply exposed to a certain mindset and how it affected the folks in my small hometown.
I just know that one can be taught to be prejudiced/'brainwashed' and one can grow and learn and see these things for what they are, yet still love these misguided relatives/friends while also really trying to rear their own children differently..which I surely did try to do.
I still say the hope lies within our young folks. I have seen the changes, all good, and I am thankful.
Exactly why I thought your post was interesting. I came to a point in my life when I realized that a large part of what I thought and felt was a product of the culture I was raised in but I didn’t have to continue to be a slave to my cultural upbringing. I know and have known many who have never come to that realization.

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." - William James
Alvin

Hayward, CA

#18 Feb 19, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Well, Big Al, you know, I am almost 69, and I grew up in the deep south.
So, I was amply exposed to a certain mindset and how it affected the folks in my small hometown.
I just know that one can be taught to be prejudiced/'brainwashed' and one can grow and learn and see these things for what they are, yet still love these misguided relatives/friends while also really trying to rear their own children differently..which I surely did try to do.
I still say the hope lies within our young folks. I have seen the changes, all good, and I am thankful.
I think you put that very well. You would be surprised at the very angry response to my book fro those Baptist in the South. It is nice to be able to read post that even disagree with me but are done so in a matter that is kind. Congrats on making it to 69 and I hope you many more.
Al

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#19 Feb 19, 2013
Alvin wrote:
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I think you put that very well. You would be surprised at the very angry response to my book fro those Baptist in the South. It is nice to be able to read post that even disagree with me but are done so in a matter that is kind. Congrats on making it to 69 and I hope you many more.
Al
Thank you, Al!
socci

Lawson, MO

#20 Feb 19, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
What foolish, bigoted and uneducated opinions you have.
The Catholic Church is MUCH bigger than the United States and certainly not encouraging violent crime nor ethnic cleansing as an agenda of multi-culturalism.

The Catholics in Gov have always been responsible for the immigration problem, from the Irish to Latin Americans to Islam.
Cisco Kid wrote:
The Ku Klux Klan has long been peopled by members of The Southern Baptist Church.

Yet created and ran by papal knights like Albert Pike. The KKK was created to instill FEAR in the newly freed blacks of anything Christian. They often burned crosses for this reason. Then it was all blamed on the Protestants in the Catholic owned press (Copperheads), as you are doing.

Rome's numbers are only due to war & genocide. The same are responsible for the abortion laws around the world beginning in Russia, 1920, to depopulate Orthodox and Protestants - non-Catholics. The Catholic politicians such as Biden, Pelosi, Panetta and others have not been excommunicated for their actions, while it is routine to threaten Latin American politicians for supporting abortion. Sanger answered to Rockefeller Foundation. Rockfish is a papal knight. Rome still rules things and is responsible for all the problems we see today. In fact I expect a soon washington backed immigrant civil war - Hope im wrong about that.

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