How do we know Paul is authentic ?

How do we know Paul is authentic ?

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Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#1 Jan 6, 2013
Can anyone show evidence that Paul is legit?

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#2 Jan 6, 2013
Why would Paul give up his Pharisaical status and life to go preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ unless he had a powerful conversion on the road to Damascus?

Go read Paul's powerful conversion story in Acts 9:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
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Paul's epistles are the Word of God and even backed by Peter.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#3 Jan 6, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
Why would Paul give up his Pharisaical status and life to go preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ unless he had a powerful conversion on the road to Damascus?
Go read Paul's powerful conversion story in Acts 9:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
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Paul's epistles are the Word of God and even backed by Peter.
2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Sure, I'm aware of tha, but plenty of people have powerful visions and religious experiences snd the like--so how do you know he's the real deal, what's the proof?

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#4 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
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Sure, I'm aware of tha, but plenty of people have powerful visions and religious experiences snd the like--so how do you know he's the real deal, what's the proof?
The proof is changed lives of those who come to Christ Jesus. We know the Word of God is true because we see the changed lives of those who got saved by hearing/reading it. Paul wrote a decent chunk of the New Testament. His words are preserved in the Word of God.

Romans 10:17- So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

2 Corinthians 5:17-Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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God has promised to preserve His words.

Psalm 12:6-7
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
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God's words come from holy men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit:

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#5 Jan 6, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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The proof is changed lives of those who come to Christ Jesus. We know the Word of God is true because we see the changed lives of those who got saved by hearing/reading it
Yeah, but Muhammad also changed alot of lives and we know that he's a false prophet.And before you point out all the bad that Muslims do--I know, I know, but still, Muhammad changed lives and the religion of Islaam continues to do so.....so, I ask you, how do we know that Paul isn't a fake? The answer is that we don't know. I' ve always been skeptical of Paul, though I havn't rejected him entirely yet, but I'm getting close to it. He taught alot of stuff that goes directly against what those before him taught. He just pops out the of the blue, has a vision, and then he's a representative of G-d. Hmmmmm...
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#6 Jan 6, 2013
Simple. Compare his words with the Torah. That should expose enough. Next (if you believe in Jesus whom could be exposed also by this same example) compare Paul's words with Jesus' words. This should also expose him.

Lastly compare his words with themselves. Such as him saying even satan can transform himself to an angel of light? The same "light" he saw that claimed it was Jesus? Alot to think about. Not that most christians will think about it
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#7 Jan 6, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
Simple. Compare his words with the Torah. That should expose enough. Next (if you believe in Jesus whom could be exposed also by this same example) compare Paul's words with Jesus' words. This should also expose him.
Lastly compare his words with themselves. Such as him saying even satan can transform himself to an angel of light? The same "light" he saw that claimed it was Jesus? Alot to think about. Not that most christians will think about it
When it comes to your ideas about Paul, I've got to agree with you.

When it comes to accepting Paul, it's the one issue that Christians simply have to take on faith and can't really use scripture to support--there's simply no evidence that supports Paul's mission, other than his saying so.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#8 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
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When it comes to your ideas about Paul, I've got to agree with you.
When it comes to accepting Paul, it's the one issue that Christians simply have to take on faith and can't really use scripture to support--there's simply no evidence that supports Paul's mission, other than his saying so.
The same could be said about Jesus could it not?
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#9 Jan 6, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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The same could be said about Jesus could it not?
Yeshuah is debatable to, but there's evidence that can be interpreted either way with Yeshuah whereas there's zero scriptural evidence in support of Paul.

And no I'm not trying to debate Yeshuah--I'm aware of the arguments for and against him.

As for myself, whether he is or isn't the Messiah doesn't nullify my salvation because I don't worship him as G-d or believe in the trinity non-sense. Even if I'm incorrect, having the idea he's the Messiah isn't really a big deal.
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#10 Jan 6, 2013
Sorry about all of the typos--sometimes, when I log onto topix, I type words but the letters don't keep up and I have other problems with Topix as well....is this just me or fo you also have issues with this site?

Sceptical_Mal

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#11 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
Can anyone show evidence that Paul is legit?
No, it's a fairy tale?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#12 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
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Yeshuah is debatable to, but there's evidence that can be interpreted either way with Yeshuah whereas there's zero scriptural evidence in support of Paul.
And no I'm not trying to debate Yeshuah--I'm aware of the arguments for and against him.
As for myself, whether he is or isn't the Messiah doesn't nullify my salvation because I don't worship him as G-d or believe in the trinity non-sense. Even if I'm incorrect, having the idea he's the Messiah isn't really a big deal.
If you have the ideals that surround Jesus (you know such as dying for your sins) then yes it is a big deal. But hey maybe God Almighty will forgive us for that? It aint up to me so maybe so. I just know (after reading the prophets) that not only do the teachings of Jesus not match up with them (the prophets and no I do not mean ALL his teachings do not match up) but the ideals that surround him such as him being the messiah. But hey to each their own I guess.
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#13 Jan 6, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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If you have the ideals that surround Jesus (you know such as dying for your sins) then yes it is a big deal. But hey maybe God Almighty will forgive us for that? It aint up to me so maybe so. I just know (after reading the prophets) that not only do the teachings of Jesus not match up with them (the prophets and no I do not mean ALL his teachings do not match up) but the ideals that surround him such as him being the messiah. But hey to each their own I guess.
I don't neccessarily believe that he died for our sins. Again, it doesn't really affect my practice of Torah...it's simply Torah religion with the added idea that Yeshuah might be the guy.

And as I've pointed out, I've always been skeptical of Paul and the gang--and it is in the writings of Paul where the doctrine takes a left turn, lol. I'm even skeptical when it comes to the Gospels--I view them as a loosely recorded narrative of what Yeshuah said and did, however there are certain parts there-in in which the authors of the gospels stick their own two-sense in, like, for example, when the author of John says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#14 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
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I don't neccessarily believe that he died for our sins. Again, it doesn't really affect my practice of Torah...it's simply Torah religion with the added idea that Yeshuah might be the guy.
And as I've pointed out, I've always been skeptical of Paul and the gang--and it is in the writings of Paul where the doctrine takes a left turn, lol. I'm even skeptical when it comes to the Gospels--I view them as a loosely recorded narrative of what Yeshuah said and did, however there are certain parts there-in in which the authors of the gospels stick their own two-sense in, like, for example, when the author of John says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Well then you're just choosing what to and what not to believe in. Again its your choice and maybe God will forgive all those that do it. Me personally rather not take the chance.

I dont understand what you meant by the two sense part. I understand this is what christians point to as proof of the trinity though. That God Almighty became flesh (thus became Jesus). As I said if you believe in Jesus AND the Torah, then you have to take away and mend alot of what Jesus is about according to the gospels. But hey to each his/her own
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#15 Jan 6, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Well then you're just choosing what to and what not to believe in. Again its your choice and maybe God will forgive all those that do it. Me personally rather not take the chance.
I dont understand what you meant by the two sense part. I understand this is what christians point to as proof of the trinity though. That God Almighty became flesh (thus became Jesus). As I said if you believe in Jesus AND the Torah, then you have to take away and mend alot of what Jesus is about according to the gospels. But hey to each his/her own
No,no, no, once again you havn't clue.

What I meant by sticking their own two-sense in is this: Yeshuah's sayings and deeds are loosely recorded in the Gospels..and then there are numerous occasions in the gospels where the author (the person writing the gospel) spins it one way or the other. For example, in that verse which I mentioned above, Yeshuah isn't recorded as saying it but the author is saying it about Yeshuah--he's adding his own opinion.

And there's nothing wrong in believing that the gospels are a rough description, passed down orally (which is how the narratives about Yeshuah began,) about the deeds and words of Yeshuah--I don't stake my entire faith on it, I simply say: "Yes, it's possible that Yeshuah is the Messiah"
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#16 Jan 6, 2013
P.S

Another example: If I were alive during the times of Yeshuah and witnessed his deeds--I'd probaly tell everyone I knew about it. And then they would tell people, and they would tell people, and on and on until someone wrote it down..and there ya go, a rough account of what Yeshuah did. Not neccessarily "scripture" but an account of what he said and did.
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#17 Jan 6, 2013
And yes,we all have to choose what to believe, that's life.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe/God

#18 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
Can anyone show evidence that Paul is legit?
Check his manufacture's inspection tag, usually located on the upper inside back of his clothing.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe/God

#19 Jan 6, 2013
Black Hebrew wrote:
And yes,we all have to choose what to believe, that's life.
Too bad for you that you believe some soul poisoning cult of hate for your fellow man.
Black Hebrew

Holly Springs, NC

#20 Jan 6, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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Too bad for you that you believe some soul poisoning cult of hate for your fellow man.
I choose to follow the truth no matter how I feel about it. Once upon a time I was a lost x-tian..a baptist, even dabbled in meditation..but a miracolous thing began to happen: I started to question all of the mis-information that the white man had fed me, I started to study..and lo and behold, I found the truth!

Shalom

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