Christian Religion and the Bible
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#103 May 1, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Can you not read the name in the text?
Joshua.
And he did not say sunset and sunrise... I like how you like to change words rather then ACKNOWLEDGE THE ACTUAL TEXT.
AGAIN,
Its misinformation. Regardless who said it. The Sun does not go around the earth.
The "inspiration" when it was wrote should have clarified that.
I thought the bible was accurate and contained knowledge... you know because people use it to argue against science.
Joshua said it. FINALLY you answer/

Now why can YOU use sunset and sunrise but Joshua (FROM HIS VANTAGE POINT JUST AS YOU DO) cannot say for the sun to stay still (again from HIS VANTAGE POINT)?

So the "inspiration" is telling the story (allegedly) as it happened. Not going thru and fixing what people said to fit viewpoints. That would be called EDITING

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#104 May 1, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Joshua said it. FINALLY you answer/
Now why can YOU use sunset and sunrise but Joshua (FROM HIS VANTAGE POINT JUST AS YOU DO) cannot say for the sun to stay still (again from HIS VANTAGE POINT)?
So the "inspiration" is telling the story (allegedly) as it happened. Not going thru and fixing what people said to fit viewpoints. That would be called EDITING
Is the bible mans word or gods word?

If it was INSPIRED BY GOD then it would just say the truth.
"That he made the Earth stand still not the SUN."

This is not the only mistake the bible has and that is the point... why follow a book with so many inaccurate accounts and some of the most questionable "at best" moral claims?

Why does your god like ignorant followers?

However, because it was BS from the bronze age they didn't know anything and the bible is just proof of that fact.

Now, how about those pesky Iron chariots?
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#105 May 1, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Is the bible mans word or gods word?
If it was INSPIRED BY GOD then it would just say the truth.
"That he made the Earth stand still not the SUN."
This is not the only mistake the bible has and that is the point... why follow a book with so many inaccurate accounts and some of the most questionable "at best" moral claims?
Why does your god like ignorant followers?
However, because it was BS from the bronze age they didn't know anything and the bible is just proof of that fact.
Now, how about those pesky Iron chariots?
If the bible is the word of God Almighty than it would say the truth right. THAT JOSHUA SAID WHATEVER HE SAID. What should it have changed from what Joshua said to what actually happened? Why then that wouldnt be truth then would it?

So could you display how its God that could not drive out the chariots? I mean using the Hebrew since thats the original language it was written in?

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#106 May 1, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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If the bible is the word of God Almighty than it would say the truth right. THAT JOSHUA SAID WHATEVER HE SAID. What should it have changed from what Joshua said to what actually happened? Why then that wouldnt be truth then would it?
So could you display how its God that could not drive out the chariots? I mean using the Hebrew since thats the original language it was written in?
If you are driving past a building and want to stop there. Do you stop your car or stop the building?

It was commanded to do something it was ALREADY doing.

He could not drive them out because he would have to exist first.
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#107 May 1, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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If you are driving past a building and want to stop there. Do you stop your car or stop the building?
It was commanded to do something it was ALREADY doing.
He could not drive them out because he would have to exist first.
So why have you used the terms "sunset" and "sunrise" when you knew full well that the sun doesnt rise and set?

"He could not drive them out because he would have to exist first"

Hmmm lol. This seems like english not Hebrew.
little lamb

Park Orchards, Australia

#108 May 1, 2013
BEELZEBUBlives wrote:
Jesus Lied
Jesus Lied About Prayer
Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to kissing God’s ass. If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain,`Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.(Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.(Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain,'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.(Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.(Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.(John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.(John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.(John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.(John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
Jesus does not lie about prayer...

and i agree everything you say Jesus has said about prayer is true..

He says HE WILL not he MIGHT..and the reason so many get unanswered prayer , is because they add on the words 'IF..it be your will."

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#110 May 1, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So why have you used the terms "sunset" and "sunrise" when you knew full well that the sun doesnt rise and set?
Are you comparing me to god? or someone that talks with god?
The term is not in question. The facts are.

I have already answered this.
Flygerian wrote:
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"He could not drive them out because he would have to exist first"
Hmmm lol. This seems like english not Hebrew.
Yeah... I would skate and dance around it too. Like you have everything else.

Requesting it in Hebrew when it is in your bible that he could not do something because of a man made device is ridicules. "He" being who you claim god is.

Then laugh about it and brush it off as if it is nothing. Your god is evidently not able to do anything against Iron chariots or inform his "holy people" that slavery is wrong just like killing innocent children is wrong. But thats OK if you do it in the name of your god.

There is more filth, lies and racism in that book than anything that should be considered "holy".

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

— Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BCE)
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#111 May 1, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Are you comparing me to god? or someone that talks with god?
The term is not in question. The facts are.
I have already answered this.
No I didnt compare you to God. What I did say is that YOU know the fact that the sun doesnt revolve around the earth. And yet you have STILL used the terms sunset and sunrise. Why? Why can you do it but someone else cannot? You're just trying to split hairs here.
10uhsee wrote:
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Yeah... I would skate and dance around it too. Like you have everything else.
Requesting it in Hebrew when it is in your bible that he could not do something because of a man made device is ridicules. "He" being who you claim god is.
Then laugh about it and brush it off as if it is nothing. Your god is evidently not able to do anything against Iron chariots or inform his "holy people" that slavery is wrong just like killing innocent children is wrong. But thats OK if you do it in the name of your god.
There is more filth, lies and racism in that book than anything that should be considered "holy".
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
— Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BCE)
I've already asked you. Does the Hebrew say what you say it does? You havent answered. If you do not know why not just say so?
little lamb

Saint Albans, Australia

#118 May 1, 2013
BEELZEBUBlives wrote:
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WTF?????... are you playing with a full deck?....where do you see "he might"?... you must be sniffing your skid marks...
He doesn't ..that's the point..

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#127 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I've already asked you. Does the Hebrew say what you say it does? You havent answered. If you do not know why not just say so?
Are you saying your bible is not accurate and not translated correctly? Because if I have to jump to another book to find truth because something in the bible is not accurate... well, need I say more?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#128 May 2, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Are you saying your bible is not accurate and not translated correctly? Because if I have to jump to another book to find truth because something in the bible is not accurate... well, need I say more?
I am exactly saying that. That its not translated 100% accurately and cannot be translated 100% accurately since Hebrew doesnt translate into english 100%.

Hopefully the "more" you were going to say includes what I just stated in some way or another.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#129 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Still no answer to my question. Adios Pun lol
Sine you appear to be so dumbfounded by the basics of human interactions - let me explain something to you.

If I'm being cross-examined (an extreme case of being asked a Q) and the lawyer asks a Q that I think is going to put me in a position that will not properly represent my telling the truth - its fine and LEGAL for me to ask for a some clarifications, and to define terms. Even If I dont really understand a Q, I have all the rights in the normal rational world to ask for some clarification. Be it in a courtroom, or across the fence with my neighbors.

You the questioner do not get to keep plowing forward if the one being questioned is not willing to answer a Q that is leading and a whitewash of reality.

You see Fly, its you trying to take control of the discussion, over and over - by insisting we answer Your Q, without our demands for clarification being met.

We dont have to play your game. and that simply p/sses you off - that you get caught over and over....
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#130 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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No I didnt compare you to God. What I did say is that YOU know the fact that the sun doesnt revolve around the earth. And yet you have STILL used the terms sunset and sunrise. Why? Why can you do it but someone else cannot? You're just trying to split hairs here.
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I've already asked you. Does the Hebrew say what you say it does? You havent answered. If you do not know why not just say so?
So now you're playing an origins game? Going back to the now nearly irrelevant original Hebrew to take (a shaky) position?

When it comes to the Bible - What matters in 2013 is not what a scrap of papyrus, or a pile of it might have said in an original language - what matters most IS WHAT HAS BEEN THE TRANSLATIONS and subsequent INTERPRETATIONS that have been taught and promulgated for a few thousand years now.

The only way these original words matter is IF youre involved in some "Committee's" attempt to re-translate the Bible into a more original narration so to debunk, or prove as fraudulent the last 2K years worth of Xtian proselytizing.

But since youre a Xtian apologist, I doubt that's your objective.
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#131 May 2, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Sine you appear to be so dumbfounded by the basics of human interactions - let me explain something to you.
If I'm being cross-examined (an extreme case of being asked a Q) and the lawyer asks a Q that I think is going to put me in a position that will not properly represent my telling the truth - its fine and LEGAL for me to ask for a some clarifications, and to define terms. Even If I dont really understand a Q, I have all the rights in the normal rational world to ask for some clarification. Be it in a courtroom, or across the fence with my neighbors.
You the questioner do not get to keep plowing forward if the one being questioned is not willing to answer a Q that is leading and a whitewash of reality.
You see Fly, its you trying to take control of the discussion, over and over - by insisting we answer Your Q, without our demands for clarification being met.
We dont have to play your game. and that simply p/sses you off - that you get caught over and over....
Adios Pun lol. You dont have to "play my game" then do not respond. That works right?
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#132 May 2, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>So now you're playing an origins game? Going back to the now nearly irrelevant original Hebrew to take (a shaky) position?
When it comes to the Bible - What matters in 2013 is not what a scrap of papyrus, or a pile of it might have said in an original language - what matters most IS WHAT HAS BEEN THE TRANSLATIONS and subsequent INTERPRETATIONS that have been taught and promulgated for a few thousand years now.
The only way these original words matter is IF youre involved in some "Committee's" attempt to re-translate the Bible into a more original narration so to debunk, or prove as fraudulent the last 2K years worth of Xtian proselytizing.
But since youre a Xtian apologist, I doubt that's your objective.
If the Hebrew does not say what the translations say then what? Oh yea you're not "playing my game" lol. Adios Pun :)

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#133 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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If the Hebrew does not say what the translations say then what? Oh yea you're not "playing my game" lol. Adios Pun :)
The bible is translated wrong and has been propagated down and used to indoctrinate people over hundreds of years. The greatest lie ever sold.

Why has your god remained hidden for some 2000 years and only real proof for his existence in the book? Ever think it is because he never existed? Stopping the Earth now would certainly win over some believers. But because it didn't happen... because he don't exist, we don't have to think too much about it.

There is 0 evidence that proves his existence. And the fact that you just admitted that the bible is not accurate further proves the point.

How could any sane individual punish someone for all eternity with that much confusion, misinformation and misdirection and say it is with love?
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#134 May 2, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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The bible is translated wrong and has been propagated down and used to indoctrinate people over hundreds of years. The greatest lie ever sold.
Back then they had an excuse. Nowadays with the internet and a VARIETY of resources, its the persons own fault if they are mislead.
10uhsee wrote:
Why has your god remained hidden for some 2000 years and only real proof for his existence in the book? Ever think it is because he never existed? Stopping the Earth now would certainly win over some believers. But because it didn't happen... because he don't exist, we don't have to think too much about it.
There is 0 evidence that proves his existence. And the fact that you just admitted that the bible is not accurate further proves the point.
How could any sane individual punish someone for all eternity with that much confusion, misinformation and misdirection and say it is with love?
Has He been "hidden" or are people just not searching? For you to say that God doesnt exist, you must have some sort of proof right? Or is the "absence of proof" mean that He doesnt exist?

Oh yea the NT (which christians added) says the things of eternal punishment. Can you find such a doctrine in the OLD TESTAMENT? Doubtful. And by "doubtful" I mean NO you cannot. Didnt you say you read the bible?

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#136 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Back then they had an excuse. Nowadays with the internet and a VARIETY of resources, its the persons own fault if they are mislead.
You are right on the money here lol
Flygerian wrote:
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Has He been "hidden" or are people just not searching? For you to say that God doesnt exist, you must have some sort of proof right? Or is the "absence of proof" mean that He doesnt exist?
Oh yea the NT (which christians added) says the things of eternal punishment. Can you find such a doctrine in the OLD TESTAMENT? Doubtful. And by "doubtful" I mean NO you cannot. Didnt you say you read the bible?
Its up to you to prove he does exist not me... you are the one making the claim he does. My stance is you have no such proof he does exist.

Therefor my default position is: disbelief until proof is attained.

The same reason you don't believe in any other god and the same reason you don't believe in the tooth fairy. It is the same reason I do not believe in your god.

Is the new Testament and old Testament part of the bible? Stop picking and choosing.

Your religion is based on the new testament and that is based off of the Jewish bible called the Torah (old testament). They deny the existence of Jesus as a messiah and also say the New Testament is a lie. And your god is based off of theirs... so is the Muslims.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#137 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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If the Hebrew does not say what the translations say then what? Oh yea you're not "playing my game" lol. Adios Pun :)
If its been translated wrong, then morally/ethically Xtian-dom should take it upon itself (or maybe just the RCC since they started the whole thing) to correct the errors. But IT wont...because it cant...too much money, power and various other things at risk. Why? because the TRUTH is not what Religions, not what Xtianity is after...never has been. If telling the truth thru the original words was the goal of Xtianity it would have been updating the Bible the last 2K years...

Im not playing the game where you are the one re-setting the rules of debate/argument. If I dont like a Q, I can ask for a better worded one, one that is not leading me, or others down your garden path in order to misrepresent our own POV's.

The problem is your too afraid to put your money where your mouth/fingers are...if you actually, truly supported your "slavery to the system" philosophy, you'd be eager to explain your terms.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#138 May 2, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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1. Has He been "hidden" or are people just not searching?

2. For you to say that God doesnt exist, you must have some sort of proof right?

3. Or is the "absence of proof" mean that He doesnt exist?
?
1. Specious. 100% grade-A all-American BS! What a lame excuse. What a loaded crock of Xtian BS-spin! Its always our fault. Its always the fault of Humans, because thats always the Xtian line. For an alleged non-xtian you sure do rely on all their BS to defend your POV.

2. Lack of proof. Lack of real proof on the part of the claimants.

3. The fact that the alleged proof-pile has not grown much over 5K+ years, is no taller than a few books, telling crazy arsed stories, from over 2K years ago...is a HUGE tell on the side of their being no God...at least one as told by those few books.

Kinda like Iraq's WMD's...no matter how much Bush and Co said there were some, there never was...and never would have been no matter how often they repeated the stories...same as these Gods. No matter how much and often or long they are told, retold, re-worked, or how many people die to glorify them...no Gods have been proved. None! For +/-5K years now, not one scrap of actual proof.

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