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“Knowledge is Power”

Since: Feb 08

Pond Creek, Oklahoma

#128 Jun 1, 2009
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
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They are not demons. The ghosts I have here are 2 kinds. One animal and one human. The ghosts of animals that are here are pets of mine that have passed on.
The human ghosts are the original owners of the house.
I honestly never heard of a pet owner seeing their deceased pet. How did this come about that you started seeing/hearing them?

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#129 Jun 1, 2009
The human and animal ghosts just appear whenever they want to. I have no control over it. i don't see them that often.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#130 Jun 1, 2009
Jeremy Hoar wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate you taking time to explain this to me. Do you think your NDE was used to give you this gift to help others? I've only talked to one other person who basically died and came back. In their ordeal, they say they do feel they were in heaven or close to it. A voice said "I'm sorry, it's not your time." Anyway, many think they're just crazy despite the fact all who know them know this person technically died and came back. I have talked to a few of their friends online. So, since their experience; they say that ghosts are drawn to them. He's into paranormal investigations and has gotten some good EVPs recorded. Sadly, they live on the East so I haven't been able to meet them. Please let me know what your take is. Peace to you.
No, I do NOT think all the things revealed to me or the gifts I was given were to help others, just for my own personal spiritual evolvement. For I've learned from my very start in school that such things are feared, hated, and ridiculed and it's best to keep such things to yourself.
Jeremy Hoar wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate you taking time to explain this to me. Do you think your NDE was used to give you this gift to help others? I've only talked to one other person who basically died and came back. In their ordeal, they say they do feel they were in heaven or close to it. A voice said "I'm sorry, it's not your time." Anyway, many think they're just crazy despite the fact all who know them know this person technically died and came back. I have talked to a few of their friends online. So, since their experience; they say that ghosts are drawn to them. He's into paranormal investigations and has gotten some good EVPs recorded. Sadly, they live on the East so I haven't been able to meet them. Please let me know what your take is. Peace to you.
No, I do NOT think all the things revealed to me or the gifts I was given were to help others, just for my own personal spiritual evolvement. For I've learned from my very start in school that such things are feared and ridiculed and it's best to keep such things to yourself. I have NEVER told even one single person, personally, about my NDE & OBE, what was revealed to me, the gifts I was given, or my soul's ability to cross over into Heaven whenever I need to, etc. It's a matter of survival. I mean look at how much hatred and accusations of being crazy I get for trying to explain any of it here, anomalously, over the Internet. So I will never tell anyone in person, which I would have to do if I were to use my gifts to help others, and will keep it all a secret to my grave.

I have no doubt that certain people are able to see or otherwise contact lost souls called ghosts. I don't know if it necessarily has anything to do with NDEs though. Unless like myself, they no longer had the blockage to the abilities of their souls, so can experience things of a spiritual nature. And such lost souls are attracted to such people. Because after coming back from my NDE I had problems with getting all kinds of soul "readings" even when nobody was around. And when my soul crossed over into Heaven, the evil souls, demons, or whatever you want to call them, were always trying to scare and influence me. So I did an in depth reading of my own soul's "signature" and made it part of my consciousness to monitor all my thoughts and block out anything that is not mine. So while I can still "feel" their presence, I automatically block them out unless I decide to read them. and maybe if I had not done that, I would have learned to see them also. But I don't know.
Aimee2

Portland, TN

#131 Jun 2, 2009
ScienceRules wrote:
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Read Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things".
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It might be awhile, but I'll look into it.
ScienceRules wrote:
First, despite what you think about me, I am not claiming that ghosts are impossible, only that there is no objective evidence for them. Here are a few things to think about your experience; no need to respond.
I do not think there will ever be evidence, but who knows.
ScienceRules wrote:
1. The power of suggestion. How old were you when this happened, had your dad/mom told you that ghosts were real, are you sure you have an actual memory as opposed to a retelling by your sister or dad?
We moved into this house when I was 10 and lived there for seven years. My parents never discussed the paranormal with us. It wasn't something I ever thought about until a slumber party I had with five friends. I was 11 at the time. I had a door that lead outside in my bedroom. It had a glass screen door that was always locked. The main door was only locked by a chain. While we were hanging out in my room the main door opend really hard and the chain stopped it. My friends screamed and took off running. I stood there in shock. I knew the other door was locked, but checked to make sure. It was.
When I told my parents about the strange things that were happening I was told to never talk about it again. They came up with logical explanations to help me feel better, and I believed them for awhile. These are my memories. They haven't been planted by someone else.
ScienceRules wrote:
2. Confirmation bias. Did you already believe in ghosts in your house and were you looking consciously or subconsciously for 'evidence' to confirm your belief?
I had never experienced anything before this house. I was happy to move becuase it was in a neighborhood and I wanted friends to play with. We did have a barn that had been used as a "haunted barn" lol on Halloween. There was red paint splattered all over the walls and nooses hanging from the rafters. There was also a wooden casket. I don't think this had any effect on me. I thought it was cool.
Aimee2

Portland, TN

#132 Jun 2, 2009
ScienceRules wrote:
<3. Eyewitness reliability. Eyewitness testimony is provably unreliable as is well known in law enforcement (for example, you can change a witnesses identification of suspects simply by changing the way you show pictures or a line up; the results for showing a person/picture one at a time are quite different than if you show them as a group and say "pick one". The tricks our brains/eyes play on us is also tested by the scientific community. Check this out
http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/djs_lab/de... .
I am well aware of the tricks are brain can play on us. When I see bright flashes of light and things out of the corner of my eye I usually dismiss it. I am well aware of the things I saw and take comfort that I wasn't the only one who saw them on many occasions over a seven year period. I don't care if having witnesses is considered unreliable by law enforcement, it was enough for me that others were seeing this as well.
ScienceRules wrote:
4. What really happened. Did objects actually get "thrown across the room"? A nerf ball blown a few feet by an unseen gust of wind is quite different from a crystal vase flying 12 feet laterally.
A bowl that was placed in the center of the kitchen table started moving at a fast pace and flew into the floor. My father and I were in the kitchen when it happened. My dad looked at me with his eyes buuged out. I was at the point that I didn't care anymore and wasn't allowed to discuss it anyway, so I shrugged my shoulders and walked off. We used to have a set of World books that liked to fall of the shelf.
ScienceRules wrote:
5. Actual explanations. If you actually witnessed a heavy object move through empty space (air) with no apparent cause what could have caused it? Did your dad, unknown to you, want you and your sister to believe in ghosts so desperately that he rigged up a 'magic trick' or enlisted the help of a hidden neighbor to throw an object across the room?
No, dad wasn't a "magic man" and we were not allowed to discuss or talk about paranormal things.
ScienceRules wrote:
6. Logic. If ghosts are non-corporeal what physical force would allow them to move a physical object? Why do people report hearing sounds of 'footsteps' by ghosts but imagine them walking soundlessly through walls?
My opinion it that if you bring a scientific, skeptical approach to the question that a natural explanation usually presents itself.
Yes, I completely understand your "logic" and have asked myself the very same questions. I also do not have the answers for them.
After we moved my parents finally set us down and discussed the house we spent seven frightful years in. The told us their experiences and the reasoning behind never letting us speak about it. My sister and I had to stay home alone alot because of their work schedule. They didn't want us to be scared, thats why they denied the phenomenon and would never let us speak about it.

I don't expect you to believe any of this, but decided to be courteous and reply.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#133 Jun 2, 2009
Aimee2 wrote:
<quoted text> I am well aware of the tricks are brain can play on us. When I see bright flashes of light and things out of the corner of my eye I usually dismiss it. I am well aware of the things I saw and take comfort that I wasn't the only one who saw them on many occasions over a seven year period. I don't care if having witnesses is considered unreliable by law enforcement, it was enough for me that others were seeing this as well.
<quoted text> A bowl that was placed in the center of the kitchen table started moving at a fast pace and flew into the floor. My father and I were in the kitchen when it happened. My dad looked at me with his eyes buuged out. I was at the point that I didn't care anymore and wasn't allowed to discuss it anyway, so I shrugged my shoulders and walked off. We used to have a set of World books that liked to fall of the shelf. <quoted text> No, dad wasn't a "magic man" and we were not allowed to discuss or talk about paranormal things.
<quoted text> Yes, I completely understand your "logic" and have asked myself the very same questions. I also do not have the answers for them.
After we moved my parents finally set us down and discussed the house we spent seven frightful years in. The told us their experiences and the reasoning behind never letting us speak about it. My sister and I had to stay home alone alot because of their work schedule. They didn't want us to be scared, thats why they denied the phenomenon and would never let us speak about it.
I don't expect you to believe any of this, but decided to be courteous and reply.
Thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail, seriously. And I don't doubt 99% of your story or that your 'experiences' were real. All I would add is that there is nothing you mentioned that does not have a relatively simple, natural explanation but, for a combination of unknown factors, you choose to invoke 'supernatural' activity. Again, thanks for the honest response.
Aimee2

Portland, TN

#134 Jun 2, 2009
ScienceRules wrote:
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Thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail, seriously. And I don't doubt 99% of your story or that your 'experiences' were real. All I would add is that there is nothing you mentioned that does not have a relatively simple, natural explanation but, for a combination of unknown factors, you choose to invoke 'supernatural' activity. Again, thanks for the honest response.
Your welcome. It's hard for me to respond in such detail with my 19m old son, but I managed. He keeps me on my toes!

“Knowledge is Power”

Since: Feb 08

Pond Creek, Oklahoma

#135 Jun 2, 2009
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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No, I do NOT think all the things revealed to me or the gifts I was given were to help others, just for my own personal spiritual evolvement. For I've learned from my very start in school that such things are feared, hated, and ridiculed and it's best to keep such things to yourself.<quoted text>
No, I do NOT think all the things revealed to me or the gifts I was given were to help others, just for my own personal spiritual evolvement. For I've learned from my very start in school that such things are feared and ridiculed and it's best to keep such things to yourself. I have NEVER told even one single person, personally, about my NDE & OBE, what was revealed to me, the gifts I was given, or my soul's ability to cross over into Heaven whenever I need to, etc. It's a matter of survival. I mean look at how much hatred and accusations of being crazy I get for trying to explain any of it here, anomalously, over the Internet. So I will never tell anyone in person, which I would have to do if I were to use my gifts to help others, and will keep it all a secret to my grave.
I have no doubt that certain people are able to see or otherwise contact lost souls called ghosts. I don't know if it necessarily has anything to do with NDEs though. Unless like myself, they no longer had the blockage to the abilities of their souls, so can experience things of a spiritual nature. And such lost souls are attracted to such people. Because after coming back from my NDE I had problems with getting all kinds of soul "readings" even when nobody was around. And when my soul crossed over into Heaven, the evil souls, demons, or whatever you want to call them, were always trying to scare and influence me. So I did an in depth reading of my own soul's "signature" and made it part of my consciousness to monitor all my thoughts and block out anything that is not mine. So while I can still "feel" their presence, I automatically block them out unless I decide to read them. and maybe if I had not done that, I would have learned to see them also. But I don't know.
This has really been good hearing your stories and experiences. I don't blame you for your fears as I've had people call me crazy as well and act as if I'm not a Christian because I'm "stirring up the devil." I sincerely hope you may look into giving your story to legit paranormal groups in your area. I think it may help you and them to share these happenings. TTYL and Peace to you and yours.
strange love

Lake Worth, FL

#137 Jun 2, 2009
Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.(Reincarnation)

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.(Reincarnation)

The Byzantine Empress Theodora (c 499-559 AD) had reincarnation censored at a special Council meeting in 553 AD. As an amateur theologian, Theodora disapproved of the existing Gospels and severely criticised any Gospel references to souls being 'sent back into bodies'.

Such debate became known as 'The Three Chapters'. At the Council she convened, Theodora raised the difficulties that reincarnation verses presented. Her purpose was to get a majority vote to condemn the 'Three Chapters' and issue anathemas (curses) against the Gospel doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul.

In February 554 AD, Theodora issued instructions to the scriptoriums of Constantinople for the existing Gospels to be re-written and the 'Three Chapters' to be deleted from the Bible. As a result, the Church today teaches 'resurrection' instead of 'reincarnation'.

Decree of the Second Council of Constantinople, 553 AD,'Index Expurgatorius Vaticanus', R. Gibbons, Dublin, 1837.

'Encyclopaedia Brittanica', 9th ed, vol 10, pg 783 onwards.
Matthew 11,14 Jesus says: "And if you are willing to accept it, he (John the Baptist) is the Elijah who was to come." In the same Gospel, while answering the apostles about the coming of Elijah, Jesus told them: "But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." The commentary adds: "Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist" (Matthew 17,12-13; see also Mark 9,12-13).
http://www.dailycatholic.org/history/5ecumen1...
http://www.dailycatholic.org/history/5ecumen2...

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#138 Jun 2, 2009
Jeremy Hoar wrote:
<quoted text>This has really been good hearing your stories and experiences. I don't blame you for your fears as I've had people call me crazy as well and act as if I'm not a Christian because I'm "stirring up the devil." I sincerely hope you may look into giving your story to legit paranormal groups in your area. I think it may help you and them to share these happenings. TTYL and Peace to you and yours.
And that's why I've come to terms with the fact that most people are stuck in the physical world and so will remain clueless about their spiritual nature and the true workings of the universe.

Sorry, but it'll never happen. I will never tell anyone about my experiences or abilities/gifts whom I meet in person.
Fact

Kolkata, India

#139 Jun 5, 2009
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
So can you be a Christian AND believe in reincarnation ? I don't think this is allowable in Christian theology. But over the years, I have had experiences, deja vu, dreams, etc., which leads me to believe that reincarnation is true. But this upsets me because it conflicts with my Christianity.
I was born in 1956. I recently had a dream that I was killed in World War II.
Anybody have any thoughts on this ?
PEACE !
:)
One doesn't normal associate the idea of reincarnation with christianity. However if we examine the early history of the christianity then we discover that many early christians did indeed believe in reincarnation including some very prominent figures. We know that at least a half dozen or so of the church fathers believed in reincarnation, namely the likes of Clement, Origen, Justin Martyr, St Gregory, Arnobius and St Jerome. Also if we read the Gospels then it is clear that the disciples of Jesus certainly entertained the idea of reincarnation. We may infer this from the passage in John 9:2 where the disciples ask Jesus, "Was this man born blind because of his sins or because of his parents's sin?". This question certainly contains within it a reference to reincarnation, unless we suppose that the disciples thought a foetus could sin whilst in its mothers womb.

“Knowledge is Power”

Since: Feb 08

Pond Creek, Oklahoma

#140 Jun 5, 2009
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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And that's why I've come to terms with the fact that most people are stuck in the physical world and so will remain clueless about their spiritual nature and the true workings of the universe.
Sorry, but it'll never happen. I will never tell anyone about my experiences or abilities/gifts whom I meet in person.
Well that's your decision. I do appreciate what you've shared and hope you will share more. My desire for understanding the unknown will always be a part of who I am. So, please know that my door's always open for you. Peace to you and yours.

“Blessings to you and yours.”

Since: Dec 07

Washington DC

#142 Jun 6, 2009
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
I am a devout Protestant and attend church each Sunday. I was born and raised Lutheran for more than 40 years, but changed denominations to The United Church Of Christ 13 years ago.
So can you be a Christian AND believe in reincarnation ? I don't think this is allowable in Christian theology. But over the years, I have had experiences, deja vu, dreams, etc., which leads me to believe that reincarnation is true. But this upsets me because it conflicts with my Christianity.
I was born in 1956. I recently had a dream that I was killed in World War II.
Anybody have any thoughts on this ?
PEACE !
:)
You should always go with what feels true to you. If there is conflict between what you believe and what any church tells you, trust in your own feelings. That is my advice.
Blessings to you and yours.
)0(
marissa

Van Buren, AR

#143 Jun 23, 2009
I believe it may be possible. i am also a christian. maybe a person does not go to heaven or hell after death, but just keeps coming back. I believe that maybe when God does come back during the rapture and in the apoocolypse is when he comes back for his people and the sinners to judge. I am by no means a scholar, this is just what i have tossed around for a few years now.
Shawn

United States

#144 Jul 7, 2009
To the person that has recollections of past lives. Dont supress what you feel and know to be true. Know this also..........man has had his hands on religion since the time of Jesus. And he has changed the progression of truth from what was known once, to what we have now: A shadow of Jesus's original teachings. It is a provable fact, that political systems have had their hands on what parts of the bible were to continue and what parts of the bible were to cease to exist. Up until the 2nd / 3rd century AD, it was common for christians to believe / know that they would continue to in carnate until they reached salvation. The problem was..........if the common man beleived this, he or she was very hard to control. And control is the highest priority for political systems. Also, suicide was very popular at that time..........if someone was not doing well in life they would simply end it and take their chances on the next life. So, it was decided that all belief in reincarnation was to be stopped. And it was. Talk about it, and you were hung or burned at the stake.
Not one human being on this planet can bring a counter arguement to what I am saying, and what is said in the links below. They will only bring their dogman and fear stricken point of view, but no facts. Why? Because the real truth is indisputable.
Does this change Jesus's teaching. NO, it only alters our perception of it. We do not have one life to get it right, we have many. But why waste time? I believe hell is lived upon earth for the transgressions in this life, as well as others. That line of thought is easy to follow when you look at the hell lived and spread by the likes of the charles mansons, the hitlers etc.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Jesus-Taught-Reinca...
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html
There is much, much more on the net. And suprisingly, nearly all of it is similar. Very similar.
Jockey

United States

#145 Jun 7, 2012
Reincarnation is truth like death most eastern religion like hindu buddhist believe in reincarnation and law of karma that is scientific

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#146 Jun 7, 2012
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
I am a devout Protestant and attend church each Sunday. I was born and raised Lutheran for more than 40 years, but changed denominations to The United Church Of Christ 13 years ago.
So can you be a Christian AND believe in reincarnation ? I don't think this is allowable in Christian theology. But over the years, I have had experiences, deja vu, dreams, etc., which leads me to believe that reincarnation is true. But this upsets me because it conflicts with my Christianity.
I was born in 1956. I recently had a dream that I was killed in World War II.
Anybody have any thoughts on this ?
PEACE !
:)
First thing First, you need to get your life right with God fact! And walk away from all denominations churches, why is this. You have been living almost a life time of LIES, there is no such thing of "Reincarnation" FACT. Something tells me that Satan is in control of your life, you need to break away from him and his children. If you are going to believe the lies of Satan and his children and shut God out, then there is no help for you! But I can tell you this, I am a Pastor and I will be praying for you. I will not tell you a bunch of lies. But its up to you what road you want to take in life. You can't be a true Christian if you are living a sinful lifestyle, now it up to you its "Heaven or Hell"!!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#148 Jun 13, 2012
Christians are to follow the Bible, and no where in scripture does it say when we die we will be reincarnated. Hebrews 9:27 says> And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement... No coming back as a chicken, duck, gorilla, giraffe and ecetera.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#150 Jun 15, 2012
DraGuLa Lives wrote:
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An ecetera? I've never heard of that species. I'll bet that you come back as a three toed sloth.
Why do you insist on trying to hurt my precious feelings? What did I ever do to you?
What the HUH

San Diego, CA

#152 Jun 13, 2013
fed up with the mess wrote:
<quoted text>You have some serious issues. Be careful not to follow false prophets and teachings. Luthern is false teachings.
First of all Fed up, if you are going to insult another person's religion have the decency to spell said religion right. That is what spell check was created for. Lutheran teaches about the same GOD and prophets as every other Christian religion. They don't worship false prophets. As far as the teachings go, who is to say who is right? Did God himself come down and tell you that yours was the one true religion? Enlighten us. Let me guess, you're Baptist? I was raised Independent Fundamental Baptist, and was happy to get out of it. They were very judgmental and insisted they were the one true religion. I went to Mormon church with my grandparents and have been to Lutheran church with my husband. To answer the person question yes you can be Christian and believe in reincarnation.

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