Kenneth Hagin's Forgotten Warning

Kenneth Hagin's Forgotten Warning

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GEORGE ANDERSON JR

Winter Garden, FL

#1 Mar 12, 2008
Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained "Dad Hagin" started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.
Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.
Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, several months after the infamous Tulsa meeting.
Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.
Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:
1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God's blessing. Hagin wrote: "If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God."
GEORGE ANDERSON JR

Winter Garden, FL

#2 Mar 12, 2008
2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who "try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine." He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: "There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes."
3. It is not biblical to "name your seed" in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive "corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature."
4. The "hundredfold return" is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, "we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!" He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.
5. Preachers who claim to have a "debt-breaking" anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise "supernatural debt cancellation" to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: "There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I'm afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved."
(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person "gives right now," as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)
Hagin condemned other hairbrained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus' empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. "What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings," Hagin wrote.
Thanks to the recent resurgence in bizarre donation schemes promoted by American charismatics, the prosperity gospel is back under the nation's microscope. It's time to revisit Hagin's concerns and find a biblical balance.
Hagin told his followers: "Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good." If the man who pioneered the modern concept of biblical prosperity blew the whistle on his own movement, wouldn't it make sense for us to listen to his admonition?
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GEORGE ANDERSON JR

Winter Garden, FL

#3 Mar 12, 2008
Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained "Dad Hagin" started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.

Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, several months after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.

Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:

1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God's blessing. Hagin wrote: "If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God."
GEORGE ANDERSON JR

Winter Garden, FL

#4 Mar 12, 2008
PART 2. 2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who "try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine." He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: "There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes."

3. It is not biblical to "name your seed" in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive "corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature."

4. The "hundredfold return" is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, "we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!" He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

5. Preachers who claim to have a "debt-breaking" anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise "supernatural debt cancellation" to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: "There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I'm afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved."

(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person "gives right now," as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)

Hagin condemned other hairbrained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus' empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. "What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings," Hagin wrote.

Thanks to the recent resurgence in bizarre donation schemes promoted by American charismatics, the prosperity gospel is back under the nation's microscope. It's time to revisit Hagin's concerns and find a biblical balance.

Hagin told his followers: "Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good." If the man who pioneered the modern concept of biblical prosperity blew the whistle on his own movement, wouldn't it make sense for us to listen to his admonition?
Logic

San Antonio, TX

#5 Mar 12, 2008
Kenneth Hagin was just as corrupt as today's televangelists. Did not Hagin preach with Kenneth Copeland, oneof the most crooked televangelists? So Hagin was just as bad.
george anderson jr

Winter Garden, FL

#6 Mar 12, 2008
Logic wrote:
Kenneth Hagin was just as corrupt as today's televangelists. Did not Hagin preach with Kenneth Copeland, oneof the most crooked televangelists? So Hagin was just as bad.
so i guess according to you ALL preachers whether on tv or not are crooked.wow do you hate Christianity and Christians that much,tell you what if you don't want to give to these preachers then don't,and if people want to give to these preachers that is their business not yours or mine.im just tired of people like you bashing others when you are not even a Christian,it would be a different story if you were a Christian but you're not therefore your not in a position to give an opinion on this.
Logic

San Antonio, TX

#7 Mar 12, 2008
george anderson jr wrote:
<quoted text>so i guess according to you ALL preachers whether on tv or not are crooked.wow do you hate Christianity and Christians that much,tell you what if you don't want to give to these preachers then don't,and if people want to give to these preachers that is their business not yours or mine.im just tired of people like you bashing others when you are not even a Christian,it would be a different story if you were a Christian but you're not therefore your not in a position to give an opinion on this.
What? You are actually defending trash like this? Why do you think Senator Grassley is investigating these megachurches and their crooked leaders? For fun? No sir, its because they are crooks and it should bother you that poor people give their money to people like Paula White who in turn uses that money to give TD Jakes a Bentley for his birthday? You think that is Christ-like? If you do, my pity goes out to you.

And yes there are good preachers, as there are good rabbis and good imams, etc. Every group has good people, but are you saying that these televangelists are good people? You're really defending the integrity of Kenneth Copeland and Ken Hagin and Benny Hinn and crooks like those?
Logic

San Antonio, TX

#8 Mar 12, 2008
Here is a youtube link of your hero Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland and the borderline demonic practices they incurred in the name of God. They have no shame claiming to have the Spirit while acting like jack asses. Look at the video and you tell me if this is God worship or devil worship. It looks more like devil worship to me. Jesus never acted the way these idiots do.

Shannon Fyffe

Dahlonega, GA

#9 Apr 25, 2008
I have the greatest respect for Kenneth e. Hagin, Kenneth w. Hagin Jr. and Kenneth Copeland Jerry Savelle Oral Roberts, thank God for these men and their teachings they are my heros and what they teach is found in the word of God and it works and my life is great because of these great men of God! Kenneth e. Hagin has made a great impact on my life thanks also to Rhema Bible Training Center!

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#10 Apr 25, 2008
According to the Barna Group (sort of a Christian Gallop Poll) of all the 'regular' churchgoers in this country, only 8% are regular tithe givers to their church.(0.0000001% if you count me). And what happens with this money? Missionaries are supported, hospitals are started oversees, disaster relief is aided, and new churches are built. God is LITERALLY doing the miracle of the 'Five loaves and two fish' right in front of everyone,(in front of people who say,'show us a miracle') and nobody ever sees it, and what little of that IS given goes to liars like the aforementioned Kenneth Hagan and his ilk.

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#11 Apr 25, 2008
Do you know how much damage those 'Tele-crooks' have caused? I can't even get a decent conversation started with an Atheist, because of those jerks.

I don't want to go to Heaven with just me and my family. I want to take as many people as I can up there with me (I had an excellent peer relationship with an Atheist co-worker, who did not mind at all talking with me about these things, and one day I joked with him. He said, "I won't get into Heaven like you, I like my fun too much", and I said, "I'll sneak you in the back - I'll leave the exit door open for you."

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#12 Apr 25, 2008
Hello

George...

"im just tired of people like you bashing others when you are not even a Christian,it would be a different story if you were a Christian but you're not therefore your not in a position to give an opinion on this"

What does being a Christian have to do with giving an opinion ??

Our opinion is just as Relevant as yours..Maybe even more so,, because you are under the control of the Virus..

You've got some Real Twisted logic there George.. No wonder you are still in the Stone Age when it comes to Thinking..

North America is Doomed if we allow Christian Nut Jobs like you have any say...

LOL

What an Utter moron you are....

Atheist

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#13 Apr 25, 2008
It took me a long, long time to establish an environment where I could have reasonable discussions with reasonable people about these things, and we even CARE about men who are willfully disobedient to the very Bible they taught from?

Twisting the scripture for their own selfish greed. Lovers of big crowds who cheer and applaud THEM, not the one to whom worship is really due, the one who took our sins upon Himself.

And nobody said He had to do this; He did it because He loves us and has a destiny waiting for us that is so wonderful it took a whole Bible to describe it, and STILL is incomplete.

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#14 Apr 25, 2008
You've heard Christians say, "Lord I just want you to use me. Use me for your glory, Lord"

Well these snakes in white suites who speak with forked tongues only want to have their fancy jet planes, and their name on an office door and some 'babe' secretary they can bang, while little old ladies can't wait for the next sermon where these snakes can tell them to send in their social security check.

What these 'Tele-snakes' are REALLY saying is, "Lord, I want to use you. I want to use you for my glory, Lord."

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#15 Apr 25, 2008
It's one thing to not know about the Bible and to genuinely not understand its precepts, and Old and New Testament 'types and shadows', the Trinity, why God is so silent, and why our prayers seem to go unanswered, and that the prophets, and really tall men of God wrestled with the exact same things...

But to be a TEACHER of the Bible and twist the verses around so that weak people, THE VERY PEOPLE WE SHOULD RUSH TO THE DEFENSE OF are taken advantage of, is INEXCUSABLE.

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#16 Apr 25, 2008
It's not like this is some 'secret' here. Everybody knows about these snakes and what their tactics are.

"If God did not want them sheered, He would not have made them sheep." (line from the movie 'The Magnificent Seven', spoken by the Mexican Bandit who was terrorising a small Mexican village)

This same attitude comes across loud and clear with their phony-baloney, pseudo-spiritual gobbledygook that some people dare call 'preaching'.

The word 'preaching' is cheapened when used in the same sentence.

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#17 Apr 25, 2008
ESPECIALLY when there are EXCELLENT preachers already available:

Chuck Smith
Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith (no relation)
Hal Lindsey
John MacArthur
Chuck Missler
Danny Bond
Skip Heitzig

...and the list goes on.

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#18 Apr 25, 2008
To even give these snakes a forum at all is an insult to any thinking Christian.

There is another great man, Zola Levitt (a Messianic Jew) and he told the story one time of going to Jerusalem and being invited to a small gathering of people. He said sure.(He's polite that way) When he was there, they sang some songs, prayed, and read from the Bible, and afterwards, Zola Levitt said to his friend, "I feel like I've just been to church". He said, "You have. This same fellowship has met together every week since Pentecost. Only the membership has changed."

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#19 Apr 25, 2008
You actually cheapened this entire web site with this drivel about these 'televangeljerks'

There is more self respect available to the godless Atheists on this web site, than you have any right to claim. At least they try to be as honest as they can be.

Can't believe you did this.

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#20 Apr 25, 2008
Well, I guess all I can do now is say "Thanx a bunch" for making what I want to do much harder now.

I'm going to go back, and try to tell a web site full of Atheists that they were fearfully and wonderfully made (by the way, mister theologian, Google images of 'Laminin'; it's the cell adhesion molecule that is like the 're-bar' that they put in concrete, only this is the re-bar that God put in every human - the Bible says we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and Laminin is in the shape of a cross, because God just likes doing that. Try doing something spiritual for a change instead of wasting your time on these 'televangelboobs'

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