Why don't Christians obey Christ?

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“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

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#1 Oct 19, 2013
I am, of course, aware of original sin, Satan, etc as reasons. I am trying to break it down a bit more than we disobey because of sin or Satan.

IMO, there are three main reasons Christians do not obey Christ:

1. Apathy:

* Some believe their obedience is not required since their salvation is secure.

2. Ignorance:

* Misunderstanding what Christ expects in a specific command He has made.

* Not yet accepting Christ's way is best, always.

3. Willful disobedience:

* Knowing what Christ commands/expects, yet stubbornly doing things our own way usually due to pride or arrogance.

* Knowing Christ's way is best, yet we choose our own way for various reasons, such as: wanting to claim the glory for our actions ourselves, stubbornness or being set in our ways.

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Anyone else want to add to this from their own perception? Anymore main or minor reasons? Thanks in advance :).

God bless!
Ben

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Oct 19, 2013
I think you could add fear to this list. It's easy on this forum to stand up to people and disagree and boldly express your beliefs. However, it's totally another thing to stand up to coworkers, friends, and others you meet face to face each day. This is one thing I'm trying to work on; to be bold (not rude) and stand up for what I believe to friends and others without being fearful of being ridiculed and alienated and called a freak. After all, not standing up for the gospel of Christ is a form of disobedience. Just my opinion, and one of my weaknesses.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3 Oct 19, 2013
Ben wrote:
I think you could add fear to this list. It's easy on this forum to stand up to people and disagree and boldly express your beliefs. However, it's totally another thing to stand up to coworkers, friends, and others you meet face to face each day. This is one thing I'm trying to work on; to be bold (not rude) and stand up for what I believe to friends and others without being fearful of being ridiculed and alienated and called a freak. After all, not standing up for the gospel of Christ is a form of disobedience. Just my opinion, and one of my weaknesses.
Hi Ben, excellent post! I love your honesty and willingness to submit to God's obedience in sharing the faith. What you are going through is absolutely normal. Even the absolute best soul winning Christian and Evangelist has been fearful at one time or another in sharing the gospel.

That's Satan putting in that fear, he HATES obedient Christians who share the faith. But the shed BLOOD of Jesus Christ that washed away a TRUE Christian's sins has absolute POWER POWER POWER over the defeated work of Satan and his demons.

A child of God is a child of the Most High Almighty Creator of EVERYTHING!!! We are VICTORS!!!!! There is absolute victory in Jesus!!!!

Ben, God has mighty things in store for you if heed to His call in your life. Do you have any gospel tracts yet? They are an excellent way to start your soul winning, gospel sharing life. You can hand them out to friends, family, co-workers, strangers, leave them in places as led by the Holy Spirit (Laundromats, Doctor's office, put them with bill payments, etc etc). Even the shiest Christian on the planet can still be an obedient gospel sharing Christian by handing out tracts.

The fact is, a person will never outgrow gospel tracts. They always have a place in Evangelism. Satan hates gospel tracts, because they are very effective ways to plant seeds and win souls to Christ. Satan will tell you, "people don't read them, they just throw them away". The fact is, even if a person did throw it away without reading first, you still did your duty. You shared the gospel and God rewards faithfulness. But the evidence is overwhelming that many people have gotten saved from reading gospel tracts. This is proven in Evangelical surveys and testimonies of believers.

In my opinion, this is an excellent place for you to start. Of course getting involved with a Bible-Believing, Bible Preaching church that has a soul winning ministry will really equip you for evangelism. Your soul winning partner will nurture you and build up your confidence so that you can be bold in the sharing of the faith.

Ben, I am super excited for you! It's so nice to see someone actually wanting to be obedient to the faith and share the gospel in real life. I am here for you if you need encouragement, help in locating soul winning churches, or if you have any questions.

Once again, it's normal to be afraid to share the gospel at first, but hang in there and trust God and you'll be a successful soul winner in no time at all. Satan will hate you though, lol.
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Fellowship Tract League is an excellent place for gospel tracts!
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/

Since: Jul 13

Detroit, MI

#4 Oct 19, 2013
Real christians obey God and work hard at following in Christ footsteps concerning 1st Peter 2:21-23. You have probably never seen a real genuine Christian in action. One that sincerely and earnestly tries to consistently live by the practical principles and guidelines found in the Bible. A real Christian does not put the Bible "down" when adversity, challenges, trials, fears, peer pressure, temptations and the like confront them. They don't follow the line of least resistance to get out of a situation that calls for standing up for the truth and they stand up courageously to peer pressure no matter who or where it is coming from.
True Christians do not rely upon themselves to do God's will alone, because their sinful flesh, the world and Satan is constantly working on them and so heavy reliance upon God for His holy spirit is a must if a real Christian is to succeed spiritually. Taking in accurate knowledge of God or getting to know Him personally concerning His will and purpose will strengthen a Christian in maintaining his/her's spiritual integrity.
Sadly, many socalled christians set bad examples for others to observe. This leaves a sour taste in people's hearts and mind for ever becoming a christian or it causes some to leave their faith or place of worship.
Tall Guy

Jacksonville, FL

#5 Oct 19, 2013
Traditions

Much of what Christians do now adays is just copying traditions they have been taught and what was passed down from the generation before them. Not many seem to study to show themselves approval to see if what they are doing is backed by the bible or passed down as a tradition of the RCC, or just doing things just to fit in.
Ben

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Oct 19, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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Hi Ben, excellent post! I love your honesty and willingness to submit to God's obedience in sharing the faith. What you are going through is absolutely normal. Even the absolute best soul winning Christian and Evangelist has been fearful at one time or another in sharing the gospel.
That's Satan putting in that fear, he HATES obedient Christians who share the faith. But the shed BLOOD of Jesus Christ that washed away a TRUE Christian's sins has absolute POWER POWER POWER over the defeated work of Satan and his demons.
A child of God is a child of the Most High Almighty Creator of EVERYTHING!!! We are VICTORS!!!!! There is absolute victory in Jesus!!!!
Ben, God has mighty things in store for you if heed to His call in your life. Do you have any gospel tracts yet? They are an excellent way to start your soul winning, gospel sharing life. You can hand them out to friends, family, co-workers, strangers, leave them in places as led by the Holy Spirit (Laundromats, Doctor's office, put them with bill payments, etc etc). Even the shiest Christian on the planet can still be an obedient gospel sharing Christian by handing out tracts.
The fact is, a person will never outgrow gospel tracts. They always have a place in Evangelism. Satan hates gospel tracts, because they are very effective ways to plant seeds and win souls to Christ. Satan will tell you, "people don't read them, they just throw them away". The fact is, even if a person did throw it away without reading first, you still did your duty. You shared the gospel and God rewards faithfulness. But the evidence is overwhelming that many people have gotten saved from reading gospel tracts. This is proven in Evangelical surveys and testimonies of believers.
In my opinion, this is an excellent place for you to start. Of course getting involved with a Bible-Believing, Bible Preaching church that has a soul winning ministry will really equip you for evangelism. Your soul winning partner will nurture you and build up your confidence so that you can be bold in the sharing of the faith.
Ben, I am super excited for you! It's so nice to see someone actually wanting to be obedient to the faith and share the gospel in real life. I am here for you if you need encouragement, help in locating soul winning churches, or if you have any questions.
Once again, it's normal to be afraid to share the gospel at first, but hang in there and trust God and you'll be a successful soul winner in no time at all. Satan will hate you though, lol.
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Fellowship Tract League is an excellent place for gospel tracts!
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/
Thanks for your words of encouragement. This forum has not been what I expected and hoped. I thought people would be sharing there faith and experiences. It's more like people trying to discredit and discourage. Encouragement and kindness seems to be rare here. It's nice to get positive, encouraging comments from someone who shares their faith. I also notice a few people take shots at you and I'm sorry, but thankful for you standing up for the truth. And thanks for your offer of help. It is appreciated .
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San Antonio, TX

#7 Oct 20, 2013
A better question would be...

Why do Christians do evil to other people?
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San Antonio, TX

#8 Oct 20, 2013
A better question would be...

Why do Christians do evil to other people, for any reason at all?
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San Antonio, TX

#9 Oct 20, 2013
My excuse is...I am not a Christian.
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San Antonio, TX

#10 Oct 20, 2013
What is yours?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#11 Oct 20, 2013
Seriously__ wrote:
I am, of course, aware of original sin, Satan, etc as reasons. I am trying to break it down a bit more than we disobey because of sin or Satan.
IMO, there are three main reasons Christians do not obey Christ:
1. Apathy:
* Some believe their obedience is not required since their salvation is secure.
2. Ignorance:
* Misunderstanding what Christ expects in a specific command He has made.
* Not yet accepting Christ's way is best, always.
3. Willful disobedience:
* Knowing what Christ commands/expects, yet stubbornly doing things our own way usually due to pride or arrogance.
* Knowing Christ's way is best, yet we choose our own way for various reasons, such as: wanting to claim the glory for our actions ourselves, stubbornness or being set in our ways.
==========
Anyone else want to add to this from their own perception? Anymore main or minor reasons? Thanks in advance :).
God bless!
What makes you think you know "Christ's way"? Throughout history there are examples of people that "thought" they knew "Christ's way" and comitted terrible atrocities against their fellow men in the name of Jesus. What happens is that when someone who thinks he knows "Christ's way" has to deal with someone who thinks differently he sometimes comes to the conclusion that the person who thinks differently is "of the devil". Once a person who is convinced that he knows "Christ's way" has demonized his opponent any cruelty committed against him is OK because fighting the the devil is pleasing to Jesus.

“What can you say to a man who tells you he prefers obeying God rather than men, and that as a result he's certain he'll go to heaven if he cuts your throat?” &#8213; Voltaire
WakeUp

Tinley Park, IL

#12 Oct 20, 2013
Seriously__ wrote:
I am, of course, aware of original sin, Satan, etc as reasons. I am trying to break it down a bit more than we disobey because of sin or Satan.
IMO, there are three main reasons Christians do not obey Christ:
1. Apathy:
* Some believe their obedience is not required since their salvation is secure.
2. Ignorance:
* Misunderstanding what Christ expects in a specific command He has made.
* Not yet accepting Christ's way is best, always.
3. Willful disobedience:
* Knowing what Christ commands/expects, yet stubbornly doing things our own way usually due to pride or arrogance.
* Knowing Christ's way is best, yet we choose our own way for various reasons, such as: wanting to claim the glory for our actions ourselves, stubbornness or being set in our ways.
==========
Anyone else want to add to this from their own perception? Anymore main or minor reasons? Thanks in advance :).
God bless!
There are two kinds of Christians - those who are still controlled by their flesh (Christian in name only) and those who are led by the Spirit (true followers of Christ).

Romans 8:5-17

Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives lifed because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because ofe his Spirit who lives in you.

Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation — but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.f And by him we cry,“Abba,g Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#13 Oct 20, 2013
Ben wrote:
I think you could add fear to this list. It's easy on this forum to stand up to people and disagree and boldly express your beliefs. However, it's totally another thing to stand up to coworkers, friends, and others you meet face to face each day. This is one thing I'm trying to work on; to be bold (not rude) and stand up for what I believe to friends and others without being fearful of being ridiculed and alienated and called a freak. After all, not standing up for the gospel of Christ is a form of disobedience. Just my opinion, and one of my weaknesses.
For the record, IF Xtians stood up for their beliefs at work, they'd all be out of a job! Most businesses, the larger ones, especially the Big Box stores that employ a lot of Xtians in struggling suburban 'hoods, run their businesses contrary to the tenets of Jesus and Xtianity.

And by "standing up" to them I dont mean fighting to wear a cross, or some other puny and trite fight over nothings, I mean over their unethical business practices and outright lying and abuse of their employees!
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#14 Oct 20, 2013
The main reason Xtians dont follow the tenets of Jesus is they cant figure out what they are in the miasma of 2K years worth of being told what His mission was really about, what he really meant by X or Y,(out of historical context)...mostly its because to follow Jesus' actual teachings is impossible when you actually look at his rather odd POV on matters of faith, family, and work...

I mean really look at it outside of the last 2K years of being told what it all means, and why YOU should ONLY believe a certain way.

Face it, Xtianity stamped out the then common belief (common to the days of Jesus and prior in that known world) that an individual could find their own way among the Gods, and spiritual beliefs (outside of Judaism)- Xtian-dom, the powers of Xtianity, said there was ONLY ONE way to think, and "we will tell what that is!", and that ONLY these sanctioned beliefs are to be believed and that only these ways of worship are to be tolerated! "And We will tell you what they are!" And if you dont follow our rules, we will kill you, or caste you from the community!(which s a hold over from Judaism, nothing worse for a 1st century Jew then to be exiled from their community!)

Xtianity sucked the spiritual aspects right out of spirituality! And it lingers to this day. There is nothing in the "practice" of American Xtianity that even hints at spirituality. Its all a dog and pony show, or finger pointing.

When was the last time you heard any Xtian say, "I spent a great deal of time doing a lot of hard personal work on myself, like a few years, and still I'm working on it, so I really cant offer you/others much advice on matters of faith...because its really a very personal battle..." (in other words a real humble declaration of faith and hard work)

Instead you hear that on Friday night at some "Name It and Claim It! worship festival someone "found the Lord", and "I am now permanently saved and as such will now commence (on Monday) to tell everyone else how to live!" Because now they know everything there is to such matters. And because everyone else is in their way of being a better Xtian!

American Xtians ignore the hard personal work because they've been taught there are shortcuts! Just believe!(trite advice) Its the real legacy of the Reformation, a cheapening of the hard work of faith and personal work. Which is very American to say the least...quick fixes! If its not instantaneous, I don't want it!
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#15 Oct 20, 2013
American Xtianity has become a gimmick laden Belief system.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/20/excl...

Why does this all powerful, everywhere present Being need to rely on gimmicks like this..?

Why does this God always appear to be sitting on the side-lines waiting for us to be seduced by gimmicks to come to his side of the field?

It all makes no sense, that such a Super being need rely on tiresome melodies and lyrical cliches. If thats what triggers people to his side, what good are they to Him?

"Oh, a catchy melody really gets me to feel God in me!" WTF!?!?

American Xtians have turned their Religion and Faith into a sideshow...
WakeUp

Tinley Park, IL

#16 Oct 20, 2013
Punisher wrote:
American Xtians have turned their Religion and Faith into a sideshow...
Sadly I have to agree ... I cringe when I see all the hucksters on TV selling Jesus like a box of corn flakes.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#17 Oct 20, 2013
eikcaj wrote:
Real christians obey God and work hard at following in Christ footsteps concerning 1st Peter 2:21-23. You have probably never seen a real genuine Christian in action. One that sincerely and earnestly tries to consistently live by the practical principles and guidelines found in the Bible. A real Christian does not put the Bible "down" when adversity, challenges, trials, fears, peer pressure, temptations and the like confront them. They don't follow the line of least resistance to get out of a situation that calls for standing up for the truth and they stand up courageously to peer pressure no matter who or where it is coming from.
True Christians do not rely upon themselves to do God's will alone, because their sinful flesh, the world and Satan is constantly working on them and so heavy reliance upon God for His holy spirit is a must if a real Christian is to succeed spiritually. Taking in accurate knowledge of God or getting to know Him personally concerning His will and purpose will strengthen a Christian in maintaining his/her's spiritual integrity.
Sadly, many socalled christians set bad examples for others to observe. This leaves a sour taste in people's hearts and mind for ever becoming a christian or it causes some to leave their faith or place of worship.
The reason why most American Xtian dont follow Jesus is because they worship the BIBLE first. Your post makes that point very clear.

The Bible is a book, an inert object that has no powers, but Believers like you believe it does...that you must defend the Bible over all else. You wield it like a weapon, use quotes like magical incantations.

And when American Xtians do stand up for things its usually something trite and meaningless, like the right to wear a cross at work, or some other silly battle over a public display! Far worse too many use their faith to bolster an Economic BELIEF system in the US that runs in direct conflict to their very own best interests. That they believe their God supports a Free-Market system (which its never been!) where everyone is expected to keep pulling on their bootstraps till they snap and then to pull harder! A system that NOW has become one where certain parties - GOP, Teabaggers, Xtian right - want to write in stone inequity and unfairness for the individual citizens over the trumped up "individual rights" of Corporations and other Cash-benefactors.

REAL XTIANS would be on the front lines of stopping the institutionalized system of inequity in this nation, where everyday more children fall into poverty and become undernourished due to the propping up of Agri-Business over more sustainable means.

But instead American Xtians stay distracted pointing fingers at the gays, and immigrants, Miley Cyrus, and secularists, etc - instead of the Conservative political ideologues they worship, who have managed to keep their lies of "trickle down" alive and well.

Jesus was a social revolutionary, a spiritual revolutionary, which is not what the typical American, Fundy Bible Worshiper can comprehend! He would today stand up for the downtrodden, poor and middle classes, immigrants - not the Corporate Master that American Fundys now support as their true messiahs!

Most of you are a bunch of posers! Full of Bible quotes that you sling like magical weapons !
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#18 Oct 20, 2013
WakeUp wrote:
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Sadly I have to agree ... I cringe when I see all the hucksters on TV selling Jesus like a box of corn flakes.
Add the Internet Ministers and websites, and its not even as nutritious as corn flakes...

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#19 Oct 20, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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What makes you think you know "Christ's way"? Throughout history there are examples of people that "thought" they knew "Christ's way" and comitted terrible atrocities against their fellow men in the name of Jesus. What happens is that when someone who thinks he knows "Christ's way" has to deal with someone who thinks differently he sometimes comes to the conclusion that the person who thinks differently is "of the devil". Once a person who is convinced that he knows "Christ's way" has demonized his opponent any cruelty committed against him is OK because fighting the the devil is pleasing to Jesus.
“What can you say to a man who tells you he prefers obeying God rather than men, and that as a result he's certain he'll go to heaven if he cuts your throat?” &#8213; Voltaire
My research of the Bible has provided me with what I believe to be Christ's way. However, I will not impose my understanding of Christ's way to be onto another person. Each Christian usually comes to an understanding of what they believe to be Christ's way, then they choose to follow it or not. Obviously, we do not all agree on what Christ's way is, or even what His commandments are.

Yes, I see many who profess Christ demonizing and then treating others horribly on here a lot. It is *one* of the behaviours that prompted me to post this musing. IMO, this is not acceptable behaviour to Christ. IMO, what I see many who profess Christ doing on here is sinful and disobedient. Thus, I ponder the many reasons why Christians choose to disobey.

Thanks for the posts. Have a great new week!

“Only Biblical methods will”

Since: Apr 10

bring others to Christ

#20 Oct 20, 2013
eikcaj wrote:
Real christians obey God and work hard at following in Christ footsteps concerning 1st Peter 2:21-23. You have probably never seen a real genuine Christian in action. One that sincerely and earnestly tries to consistently live by the practical principles and guidelines found in the Bible. A real Christian does not put the Bible "down" when adversity, challenges, trials, fears, peer pressure, temptations and the like confront them. They don't follow the line of least resistance to get out of a situation that calls for standing up for the truth and they stand up courageously to peer pressure no matter who or where it is coming from.
True Christians do not rely upon themselves to do God's will alone, because their sinful flesh, the world and Satan is constantly working on them and so heavy reliance upon God for His holy spirit is a must if a real Christian is to succeed spiritually. Taking in accurate knowledge of God or getting to know Him personally concerning His will and purpose will strengthen a Christian in maintaining his/her's spiritual integrity.
Sadly, many socalled christians set bad examples for others to observe. This leaves a sour taste in people's hearts and mind for ever becoming a christian or it causes some to leave their faith or place of worship.
I know several Christians who take obedience to Christ very seriously. However, even they sin on occasion. Disobedience is a choice all of us make at least on rare occasions. My musing is about why.

God bless you and yours.

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