What is a Conservative?
Frank

Clinton, NC

#144 Feb 19, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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And I've seen documentaries about the KKK. The members arae extreme right wing conservatives. EXTREME!
Does that mean that all Conservatives are members of the KKK?
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Read: A hot bed of education.
We know that education leads to liberalism the same way that ignorance leads to Conservativism.
That's not a surprise.
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Big surprise, people fleeing from discrimination are generally not Conservatives who are in favor of discrimination.
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Give me an example of a liberal position which you think is "insane".
I'll give you an example of a Conservative position that I think is "insane".
Conservatives believe that if everyone has guns, there will be less gun violence. This position is nuts. Evidence can be found on the front page of any newspaper any day of the week. Or by googling "accidentally shot".
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Actually, it's the Conservatives who overwhelmingly vote for free stuff. The amount of money dedicated to "free stuff" voted in by Conservatives is about 100X as much as that voted for by liberals.
The only difference is that the free stuff the Conservatives are voting for go to the absolute riches people in the country. The ones who own FoxNews. They guys who founded the Tea Party movement and who tell Tea Partiers what to think.
Honestly, this is like you wanting to bring down the hammer on some kid who shoplifts a candy bar while completely ignoring the mass murder who is standing next to him.
Where are your priorities?
Actually, most universities are liberal indoctrination centers, trust me we know because we have people on the front lines (many, many reports from students whom have had problems because they objected to the liberal garbage that their professors have attempted to shove down their throats.)

And you're the one whom stereotypes all conservatives, acting as if we all think and act alike.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#145 Feb 19, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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How many '5yo' do you know living alone on 'the system?
Really? If you want to believe you came from a rock, feel free to do so...I just don't buy it...
Who said anything about them living alone?

Look, you've got worthless mom Jane and her son Mike.

Should Mike, who is a natural born American citizen, be forced to go hungry simply because his mother is working a minimum wage job and can't get enough money to pay rent and buy food?

And don't give me "Mike should choose to have not have been born" as an answer.

Mike exist. He's a US Citizen. He's 5 years old.

Should he or should he not be entitled to a minimum level of care as a US citizen REGARDLESS of the quality of his parents?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#146 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Actually, most universities are liberal indoctrination centers, trust me we know because we have people on the front lines (many, many reports from students whom have had problems because they objected to the liberal garbage that their professors have attempted to shove down their throats.)
And you're the one whom stereotypes all conservatives, acting as if we all think and act alike.
The reason the Universities are liberal is because they are places of education staffed by people with educations.

Education and Conservativism are opposites.

You can't remain a Conservative if you get an education. Conservatism requires willful ignorance.

Look at the other poster who is actually denying evolution as part of his Conservative values.
Frank

Clinton, NC

#147 Feb 19, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The reason the Universities are liberal is because they are places of education staffed by people with educations.
Education and Conservativism are opposites.
You can't remain a Conservative if you get an education. Conservatism requires willful ignorance.
Look at the other poster who is actually denying evolution as part of his Conservative values.
I believe in evolution to some degree, however I believe that there was something behind evolution (and the big bang)---whether one believes or disbelieves in it has nothing to do with conservatism.

And being an extreme left wing nut or communist isn't exactly the natural outcome of having an education.

Many conservatives are college grads. The problem is that universities--like the media--has been taken over, its as simple as that. The marxist-liberal establishment has an agenda that requires control of academia and the information flow in this country.

But hey, it is what it is. Lol, at the end of the day, its your people that shall eventually cease to exist as a result of it...not mine.

peace

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#148 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
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I believe in evolution to some degree, however I believe that there was something behind evolution (and the big bang)---whether one believes or disbelieves in it has nothing to do with conservatism.
A "first cause" argument is not an argument against evolution. It's not a scientific argument.

You can say, "I believe in gravity, but I believe that secret invisible elves are behind it."

That doesn't disprove gravity.

However, the statement "I believe in evolution to some degree" is exactly like the statement "I believe in germs to some degree".

What specifically about evolution do you not believe in?
And being an extreme left wing nut or communist isn't exactly the natural outcome of having an education.
Many conservatives are college grads. The problem is that universities--like the media--has been taken over, its as simple as that. The marxist-liberal establishment has an agenda that requires control of academia and the information flow in this country.
This position is RIDICULOUS.

First of all, the "left" can't get ORGANIZED enough to have an agenda, let alone a secret agenda.

The fact of the matter is this:
The left sees issues as being nuanced and complicated.
The right sees issues as being black and white.

Education provides people with the ability to see nuances.

Educated people, therefore, tend to be on the left.

Those people who are on the right who have college educations usually have them in fields where nuance is not an issue. An engineering degree does not require nuance. A degree in sociology does.

The problem is that Conservatives see everything as black and white UP TO THE POINT where it effects them. Once THEY are effected by the issue, suddenly "it's complicated".

The Conservative platform on gay marriage is to oppose it.
Dick Cheney is EXTREMELY conservative.
Dick Cheney has a gay daughter.
Therefore Dick Cheney feels that gay marriage is a complicated issue.

The Conservative platform on immigration was to oppose it.
The Conservatives lost the last election because of it.
Therefore immigration is now a complicated issue.

The Conservative platform on abortion is to oppose it.
There are Conservative politicians who have mistresses that get pregnant.
For that politician, abortion is suddenly a "complicated issue".

You never see this trend with liberals.

There aren't any liberals who are for the freedom of choice who suddenly want to prevent everyone else from having that freedom because something got "complicated" in their personal life.

There aren't any liberals who are for gay marriage who suddenly reverse their position because something in their life got "complicated".

Etc.

The point is that Conservatives are intellectually lazy. They don't want to address nuances. they want to have a position handed to them and believe it completely.

Intellectually lazy people do not survive a college education.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#149 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
Lol, at the end of the day, its your people that shall eventually cease to exist as a result of it...not mine.
peace
Can you name one issue on which the Conservatives have been able to maintain their position successfully throughout history?

I'll give you some examples.

Slavery
Equal Rights for Blacks
Equal Rights for Women
Child Labor
Religious Freedom

Seriously. Conservativism is about denying equal access to rights and resources. Have you guys ever won that fight? Ever?
Frank

Clinton, NC

#150 Feb 19, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Can you name one issue on which the Conservatives have been able to maintain their position successfully throughout history?
I'll give you some examples.
Slavery
Equal Rights for Blacks
Equal Rights for Women
Child Labor
Religious Freedom
Seriously. Conservativism is about denying equal access to rights and resources. Have you guys ever won that fight? Ever?
As for evolution, yes its to a "degree" as I don't buy every bit of it.

Listen, lol, I'm about to get ugly with it. You're just a stereotypical whiny, lying, WEAK, race obcessed, abortion obcessed, class-obcessed, condescending, hateful, suicidal, people of color exploiting, know-it-all lunatic liberal.

Do us all a favor and crawl back up the homo's rear end from which you came.

Or, better yet--as I advised a week or two ago---much of Europe would be pardise for you, feel free to emigrate there instead of trying to destroy this country.

Be cursed.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#151 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
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As for evolution, yes its to a "degree" as I don't buy every bit of it.
What is there not to believe about: "Things change over time"
Listen, lol, I'm about to get ugly with it. You're just a stereotypical whiny, lying, WEAK, race obcessed, abortion obcessed, class-obcessed, condescending, hateful, suicidal, people of color exploiting, know-it-all lunatic liberal.
Do us all a favor and crawl back up the homo's rear end from which you came.
So, when I say "Conservatives are basically hateful and ignorant", your defense is that you hate everyone and anyone who disagrees with you in educated.

That sort of proves my point.

By the way, nice generalization too bad you're way off.

I'm not race obsessed. I do point out that the GOP made a concerted effort to prevent black people from voting during the last election (and the one before that. And the one before that.) That should be of concern to ALL Americans. No political party should ever base its strategy on preventing one group from their constitutional right to vote - whether that groups is blacks, Catholics, women, people from Tennessee, whoever.

If your party doesn't want people to vote, then they aren't a political party and should simply disband.

I'm not abortion obsessed. I haven't had one. I don't know anyone who has. I do like to point out that of the political figures I know about who've either had abortions or have forces their daughters/lovers/wives to have them, they are overwhelmingly Conservatives who have opposed abortion. Hypocrisy is the important factor.

Class obsessed? Hardly. I'm upper middle class with some very upper upper class friends. It's the whiny GOP that are claiming class warfare.

Condescending? You've got me there. I find your inability to defend your positions and your overall argument that "intelligent and educated people are wrong because they are intelligent and educated" to be rather childish.

Race-exploiting? How? Name one time I've EVER exploited anyone based on race? You can't.

Know-it-all? Hardly. It just seems that way because you are soooo very ignorant.

Seriously. There's not a single Conservative position which survives a fact check.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#152 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
Or, better yet--as I advised a week or two ago---much of Europe would be pardise for you, feel free to emigrate there instead of trying to destroy this country.
Pathetic.

Seriously.

Conservatives have been on the wrong side of EVERY issue.

Hell, Conservatives are PRO-RAPE.

Think about that. That's an issue that shouldn't be coming up at all. EVERYONE should be on the same side of this issue. Yet, MULTIPLE Conservative politicians have come up in favor of rape.

It's INSANE
Frank

Clinton, NC

#153 Feb 19, 2013
As I've pointed out on several occasions, meaningful conversation with a liberal whom is attached to his or her views is inpossible.

Lets get to the husk of it: you're not here for conversation. No, you're here to smear conservatism by parroting liberal websites, lol.

Each to their own. Like I said, it's your people whom will cease to exist within the next century or two due to insane liberal policies--mine will be around for a long time and eventually own this country. Do as you will.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#154 Feb 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
As I've pointed out on several occasions, meaningful conversation with a liberal whom is attached to his or her views is inpossible.
Lets get to the husk of it: you're not here for conversation. No, you're here to smear conservatism by parroting liberal websites, lol.
Each to their own. Like I said, it's your people whom will cease to exist within the next century or two due to insane liberal policies--mine will be around for a long time and eventually own this country. Do as you will.
And as I've pointed out, when someone decides that education is bad and ignorance is good, there's simply no way to discuss their views with them.

You just don't understand why you believe what you believe. You've been told to believe it and you accept that blindly because you lack the ability to reason out a position on your own.

You've had it dictated to you than anyone who can think for themselves is a bad person.

As for this claim that Conservatives win in the end. This is a perfect example of your lack of education.

Name ONE position Conservatives have historically held which is still around.

- Slavery? Gone.
- No Blacks allowed to vote? Gone.
- Woman should be allowed to vote? Gone.
- No Blacks in the Military? Gone.
- No Blacks in Baseball? Gone.
- No Gays anywhere? Gone.
- No Gays in the military? Gone.
- No Gay Marriage? Going, going, Gone.
- No science education in school? Gone.
- Christianity forced to be taught in school? Gone.
- No access to birth control? Gone.
- No sex education? Gone.
- No taxes on the wealthy? Gone.
- No integrated schools? Gone.
- No integrated drinking fountains? Gone.

Seriously, have the Conservatives EVER won on ANY issue?

Unless you are willing to re-institute ALL of the above, you aren't going to get rid of progressives any time soon.

You know why? Progress happens. Change happens. Conservativism fails EVERY time.
OKAY

Houston, TX

#155 Feb 20, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Who said anything about them living alone?
Look, you've got worthless mom Jane and her son Mike.
Should Mike, who is a natural born American citizen, be forced to go hungry simply because his mother is working a minimum wage job and can't get enough money to pay rent and buy food?
And don't give me "Mike should choose to have not have been born" as an answer.
Mike exist. He's a US Citizen. He's 5 years old.
Should he or should he not be entitled to a minimum level of care as a US citizen REGARDLESS of the quality of his parents?
You are missing the connection.

Like western medicine, mask the symptom vs curing the illness.
Like US liberals, throw $$$ at it and it'll go away,(but it never does)

IF she is 'actually' working and not making it, then she needs better skills...

But under your program, there isn't any incentive...

Why should I because I have it all provided while sitting on my arse.

My incentive was find work or starve.

In this case, put them on a program giving them work (govt sponsored) providing them the skills or 'incentive' to go after other skills...

I am sure this will surprise you, but the ones with pride will do it...w/o the help of your liberal govt.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#156 Feb 20, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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You are missing the connection.
Like western medicine, mask the symptom vs curing the illness.
Actually, you have that completely backwards.

Western medicine has successful cured many diseases. When was the last time you saw someone with small pox or leprosy?
Like US liberals, throw $$$ at it and it'll go away,(but it never does)
Yes, like the problems of slavery, unequal rights for women, segregation. Clearly, these are still problems despite the billions we no longer have to spend to fix them because we solved them already.

Or are you talking about problems like "children starving". Yes, they continue to need to eat.

Your solution? Kill the child so it no longer eats. Brilliant.
IF she is 'actually' working and not making it, then she needs better skills...
But under your program, there isn't any incentive...
Depending on who you are or where you live, skills sets are simply not going to solve a problem.

If you live in a town where the only real employer is WalMart and Walmart only offers part time employment with no benefits, you have neither the time nor the money to acquire skills which will allow you to seek out employment which ALSO doesn't exist in your town. Nor do you have the money to move to a new town to find that employment.

AND, none of that is the fault of the 5yr old who is starving.
Why should I because I have it all provided while sitting on my arse.
My incentive was find work or starve.
How much money did you make an hour when you were five?
In this case, put them on a program giving them work (govt sponsored) providing them the skills or 'incentive' to go after other skills...
The GOP has blocked that kind of spending. They don't want the government to employ people nor do they want the government to spend money to help those people that need employment.

As a result, they don't get to complain that the government is not doing what they specifically block the government from doing.
I am sure this will surprise you, but the ones with pride will do it...w/o the help of your liberal govt.
Again, FIVE YEARS OLD. It's not a matter of pride. It's not a matter of skills. It's not a matter of not wanting a job. It's a matter of a CHILD BEING FIVE years old.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#157 Feb 20, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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You are missing the connection.
Like western medicine, mask the symptom vs curing the illness.
Like US liberals, throw $$$ at it and it'll go away,(but it never does)
IF she is 'actually' working and not making it, then she needs better skills...
But under your program, there isn't any incentive...
Why should I because I have it all provided while sitting on my arse.
My incentive was find work or starve.
In this case, put them on a program giving them work (govt sponsored) providing them the skills or 'incentive' to go after other skills...
I am sure this will surprise you, but the ones with pride will do it...w/o the help of your liberal govt.
Exactly!

This is similiar to what I tried to explain to another liberal in here once.

See, here's the thing right here:

The liberal way of handling poverty and people whom make bad life choices is to encourage them to remain as they are by throwing money at them and blaming others for their problems. And many poor people who do work but don't make enough to survive will simply think, "oh well, the govt will take care of me", which robs them of their motivation to improve themselves.

This encourages a kind of slave mentality, a people whom remain dependant on the govt, it stunts the potential and growth of those people and they become complacent living on hand-outs and forever blaming others for their problems instead of addressing the real issues that keep them down, creating a multi-generational cycle.

This is especially true when it comes to how liberals tend to deal with people of color, hence the "liberal plantation" remark that I'm always making, lol. Me, I advocate a kind of "do for self" philosophy, self empowerment.

I tell people all of the time, "don't wait on the white man or Obama to come and save ya, you're not helpless, take the reigns of your destiny, the sky's the limit".

Hey, its worked for me. Can't change anything until you aknowledge it, and ya can't change anything while sitting on your a** and letting Uncle Sam take care of ya.

peace

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#158 Feb 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
The liberal way of handling poverty and people whom make bad life choices is to encourage them to remain as they are by throwing money at them and blaming others for their problems.
We are talking about a program that provides food for children who are going hungry.

These children are American citizens.

At age 5, they have made NO decisions which have put them in the situation they are in. Nothing they could have done in their short lives could change the situation they are in.

Punishing these children with starvation in a country that is literally swimming in food is ridiculous.

You don't punish the son of a murderer because his dad broke the law.
You don't punish the daughter of a high school drop out by refusing to let that child go to school.
You don't punish the child of someone who isn't making enough money by forcing that child to starve.

There is NO valid argument for starving American children. It accomplishes no good. It saves us no money.
And many poor people who do work but don't make enough to survive will simply think, "oh well, the govt will take care of me", which robs them of their motivation to improve themselves.
You seem to think that motivation is the only factor in finding employment.

Yet 8% of the population is currently unemployed and you blame Obama.

Shouldn't we just say that those people who had a factory close down are just lazy f%*king douchebags?
This is especially true when it comes to how liberals tend to deal with people of color, hence the "liberal plantation" remark that I'm always making, lol. Me, I advocate a kind of "do for self" philosophy, self empowerment.
Coupled with a "you shouldn't be allowed to vote because you're black" mentality that seems to go hand in hand with your political leanings.

Care to explain how that works?
I tell people all of the time, "don't wait on the white man or Obama to come and save ya, you're not helpless, take the reigns of your destiny, the sky's the limit".
And how many 5 yr olds have taken that advice?

Seriously, you honestly expect a CHILD to go out and get a job to feed himself simply because you are a good motivational speaker?

There are places where there are no available jobs. It doesn't matter if EVERYONE there got training or not. I'm not just talking about inner cities. I'm talking about factory towns. Mining towns. Logging towns. Military towns. Any place that had a large central employer and what happens if that employer leaves.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#159 Feb 20, 2013
I was generally speaking of the liberal way of doing business when it comes to dealing with poverty.

You hold up exceptions as the norm. A good many people living on hand-outs have developed the kind of slave mentality which I speak of----I know this from first hand experience of dealing with these types, trust me on that one or don't, I don't care.

And the liberal approach stays the same whether the country is having a good time or bad, no difference, except that now (in these bad times) the poor economy can be exploited to garner support for and justify your big govt/handout policies.

And please, blacks voting (and I'm black) have is irrelevant to the topic.

However, real quick, since we're on the topic of voting, theres been this issue of left-wing nuts attempting to commit voter fraud, recruiting the homless and ignorant and enticing them with goodies to register and vote for your candidate, etc., etc,

But I don't really care at this point, I'm tired of discussing liberal talking points and hearing the same tired crap from you.

Hey, do us a favor and move to cuba.

Peace

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#160 Feb 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
I was generally speaking of the liberal way of doing business when it comes to dealing with poverty.
You hold up exceptions as the norm. A good many people living on hand-outs have developed the kind of slave mentality which I speak of----I know this from first hand experience of dealing with these types, trust me on that one or don't, I don't care.
Here's the thing:

THAT is the exception. That is what you are failing to see.

Yes, there are people who cheat the system. There are ALWAYS going to be people that cheat the system.

However, the MAJORITY of people getting assistance are _not_ cheating the system. They often have jobs, sometimes multiple jobs. Or they are authentically impaired. Or subject to circumstance (Paul Ryan was on welfare).

You are holding up the exception as the norm. This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say nuance vs black and white.
And the liberal approach stays the same whether the country is having a good time or bad, no difference, except that now (in these bad times) the poor economy can be exploited to garner support for and justify your big govt/handout policies.
Liberals have grown the economy far more than Conservatives. They've also had a more balanced budget.

The numbers back this up.
And please, blacks voting (and I'm black) have is irrelevant to the topic.
However, real quick, since we're on the topic of voting, theres been this issue of left-wing nuts attempting to commit voter fraud, recruiting the homless and ignorant and enticing them with goodies to register and vote for your candidate, etc., etc,
This also simply does not happen.

Seriously. It's not a real thing. It wouldn't make sense to do it. It wouldn't generate the numbers you would need to make any sort of difference.

Can you cite an example where this has happened?

The people who are actually in charge of checking out voter fraud have stated that it's not a real thing. A handful of cases out of MILLIONS of voters. And most of those cases turned out to be someone filling out a form wrong.

It's not real. It's a gimmick that the GOP put together to justify trying to deny votes to minorities.
But I don't really care at this point, I'm tired of discussing liberal talking points and hearing the same tired crap from you.
Hey, do us a favor and move to cuba.
Peace
I love how when I'm actually making valid points and backing them up with reasoned argument it's "liberal talking points" or "from a website" when in fact I'm not cutting and pasting anything.

But, because you are a Conservative, you are only capable of thinking of information having come from some outside source.

Seriously. Think for yourself.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#161 Feb 20, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Seriously. Think for yourself.
Believe me, I do.

Back in the day when I came out as a conservative, it was tough.

People call you crazy when you're black and a conservative, they call you an "uncle tom" (behaviour that the liberal establishment still encourages today), but thankfully there's more of us and growing.

It takes nerve, thought, and courage to leave the liberal plantation.

I've always been a leader though and willing to think outside the box and do what I do regardless of what the haters say, it is what it is.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#162 Feb 20, 2013
Lol, I'm a black conservative whom voted for Obama because he's black (made an exception, weighed the pros and cons and decided that this is something that needed to happen for the sake of my people) and also a black nationalist whom subscribes to an afrocentric understanding of scripture that some consider "racist" and yet have white friends, all of this after a military career and having dabbled in xtianity, islam, sufism, reform judaism, zen buddhism---and I still practice zazen today. And I've been to the ME and Germany while in the Army.

Yeah, I'm a thinker and student of life, not your average guy, I'm not the usual moron that your gonna "enlighten" to the liberal way via liberal talking points.

Do me a favor and head-butt the wall, will ya?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#163 Feb 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Believe me, I do.
Back in the day when I came out as a conservative, it was tough.
People call you crazy when you're black and a conservative, they call you an "uncle tom" (behaviour that the liberal establishment still encourages today), but thankfully there's more of us and growing.
Meanwhile, the Conservative establishment throws peanuts at you, grunts like a gorilla and tells you to leave the Republican Convention.

Frankly, I'd go with the people calling me Uncle Tom instead of a gorilla. But what do I know.

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