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#103
Feb 8, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
Okay, clearly you're not reading my posts.
Lets try this again:
YOU CAN'T DEFINE CONSERVATISM BY THE WORST DEEDS COMMITED BY CONSERVATIVES.
Yet, you are defining liberalism by the actions of the 1% of the population that's on welfare.

Why is it okay for you to act that way and not okay for me to respond in kind.

Hypocrisy.
Pointing out the foolishness or hypocrisy of some republicans
That is a fair assessment of issues like "Republicans who claim to be anti-gay and are caught with gay prostitutes."

Because not every Republican who hates gay people is himself gay. Some have gay sons.

However, when it comes to things like the campaign strategy, the naming of bills, the "accuse Obama for what we are doing" strategy, etc. It's perfectly acceptable to say that ALL Conservatives are guilty.

I don't see you on this tread talking about how the GOP caused the down grading of US credit and then proceeded to blame Obama for it.

I don't see you saying that naming something the "Clear Skies Initative" is bullshit if that law allows more pollution.

If you aren't willing to speak up against the actions of the party, they you are in support of those actions.

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#104
Feb 8, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
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Listen, trying to have a serious conversation about conservatism (or just about anything else) with a liberal is pointless--you're attached to your views and will do nothing but continue to parrot garbage from liberal websites..what purpose would it serve?
And any issue discussed will inevitably end in the liberal falling back on his buzz words "hate", "racist", "igorant". "offensive", etc., etc.
Pointless.
"O G-d, please cause the roof to cave in on this devil the next time that he/she visits a "cultural diversity" museum"
Amen
You're response has included "gay pride parade", "welfare", "feminazi" - those aren't Conservative buzzwords?

Your position has been "Just because it's wrong doesn't mean I shouldn't support it."

My position is this: "If it's wrong, DON'T SUPPORT IT."

Giving people who do the wrong thing power and then hoping that they will change their minds is NEVER going to work.
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#105
Feb 8, 2013
 

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A conservative today is yesterdays liberal.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

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#106
Feb 9, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
I don't understand the point of this conversation.
I've thouorghly explained my situation.
You seem unable to seperate conservatism from the deeds of certain conservatives.
You do nothing but hit me with stuff straight out of liberal talking points.
Why not start a thread titled "What I hate about republicans"?
Republicans CLAIM to be the conservatives. You can't talk conservative without talking republican.

BTW, it's a misnomer. Republicans do more pork barrel spending than all others.

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#107
Feb 9, 2013
 
informed wrote:
A conservative today is yesterdays liberal.
How do you mean?
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#108
Feb 9, 2013
 
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How do you mean?
How far they've swung.
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Feb 9, 2013
 

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Republicans CLAIM to be the conservatives. You can't talk conservative without talking republican.
BTW, it's a misnomer. Republicans do more pork barrel spending than all others.
Are you unaware that it was the Democrats that opposed the freeing of black slaves? What planet do you live on?

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<quoted text>Are you unaware that it was the Democrats that opposed the freeing of black slaves? What planet do you live on?
There is a difference between being a "conservative" or a "liberal" and being a "Republican" or a "Democrat".

Today's Republican party is not the Republican party of the 1850s. It's not even the Republican party of the 1980s.

Where Republicans used to be "liberal" (1850s) or "moderate" (1980s), today they are hard line far right Conservatives.

Reagan would be labelled a socialist by the current Republican party and wouldn't make it through the first debate.

His positions on gun control, immigration and taxes on the rich are the same if not LEFT of Obama's.
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#112
Feb 11, 2013
 
Nuggin wrote:
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There is a difference between being a "conservative" or a "liberal" and being a "Republican" or a "Democrat".
Today's Republican party is not the Republican party of the 1850s. It's not even the Republican party of the 1980s.
Where Republicans used to be "liberal" (1850s) or "moderate" (1980s), today they are hard line far right Conservatives.
Reagan would be labelled a socialist by the current Republican party and wouldn't make it through the first debate.
His positions on gun control, immigration and taxes on the rich are the same if not LEFT of Obama's.
Same applies to the Dems as well.

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#113
Feb 11, 2013
 
OKAY wrote:
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Same applies to the Dems as well.
Yes, I thought that was rather obvious from the fact that I am talking about how the parties switched positions.

150 years ago, the Dems were the Conservatives and the Republicans were the Liberals.

That has changed.
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#114
Feb 13, 2013
 
Nuggin wrote:
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Yet, you are defining liberalism by the actions of the 1% of the population that's on welfare.
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No, I'm not.

Mst modern liberals are lunatics, plain and simple---I've learned this from experience. And the ones that I hate the most are the white ones whom make it a point to approach me and kiss my a** because I'm black, lol. Wish I could smack them every time.

And its impossible for me to try to define liberalism by those whom are on welfare---most welfare recipients whom vote democrat aren't even liberals and , in fact, can't define the word "liberal.
No, they vote for whomever they think will give them what they want---or whomever their favorite entertainer endorses.

But of course I make a distinction between the old school dems and the modern liberals.

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#115
Feb 13, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
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No, I'm not.
Mst modern liberals are lunatics, plain and simple---I've learned this from experience.
You have no met, nor heard from, most liberals. Since you likely get most of your information from FoxNews or Rush Limbaugh, you don't even understand the actual position liberals hold. You get to hear the parody version (often based on literally nothing).

How about instead of proclaiming all liberals lunatics you point to something which is coming from the Democratic leadership and we discuss the position, statement or policy in detail.
And the ones that I hate the most are the white ones whom make it a point to approach me and kiss my a** because I'm black, lol. Wish I could smack them every time.
Just so you know, being nice to you is not kissing your ass. You don't know what it's like to be in a white/white transaction. I suspect that what you see as "kissing your ass" is how most liberals treat other white people most of the time.

Unless some liberal is coming up to you and literally saying "Oh my god! You're black. Here take my car." I betting you are just experiencing people being the same level of nice to you as they are to everyone else.

It's just that when you compare it to some of the racist bullshit that happens out there, it seems like they are bending over backwards to appease you. They aren't.
And its impossible for me to try to define liberalism by those whom are on welfare---most welfare recipients whom vote democrat aren't even liberals and , in fact, can't define the word "liberal.
Most welfare recipients actually vote Republican. The vast majority of people on food stamps and welfare are in the Red States. The vast majority of the "47%" that Romney was talking about are on Social Security and vote Republican at nearly 2 to 1.
No, they vote for whomever they think will give them what they want---or whomever their favorite entertainer endorses.
I hear this a lot from Conservatives. I've addressed this directly. People do not just vote for who they think will give them what they want. Especially liberals. They vote because they believe in Freedom and the rights of the individual. They vote because they aren't going to live in fear or hatred.

And, which group was it that brought Ted F'ing Nugent to the State of the Union? Don't talk to me about entertainer endorsements.
But of course I make a distinction between the old school dems and the modern liberals.
So, can you point out to me a particular "liberal" policy with which you take umbrage?

And don't give me "Everything" or some other nonsense bullsh1t. Be SPECIFIC about what you don't like and why you don't like it.
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#116
Feb 13, 2013
 
" Nuggin wrote:
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Yet, you are defining liberalism by the actions of the 1% of the population that's on welfare."

Do you think Liberals are the only ones on welfare? please support this statement with a link or some other form of evidence.
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#117
Feb 13, 2013
 
Nuggin wrote:
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You have no met, nor heard from, most liberals. Since you likely get most of your information from FoxNews or Rush Limbaugh, you don't even understand the actual position liberals hold. You get to hear the parody version (often based on literally nothing).
How about instead of proclaiming all liberals lunatics you point to something which is coming from the Democratic leadership and we discuss the position, statement or policy in detail.
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Just so you know, being nice to you is not kissing your ass. You don't know what it's like to be in a white/white transaction. I suspect that what you see as "kissing your ass" is how most liberals treat other white people most of the time.
Unless some liberal is coming up to you and literally saying "Oh my god! You're black. Here take my car." I betting you are just experiencing people being the same level of nice to you as they are to everyone else.
It's just that when you compare it to some of the racist bullshit that happens out there, it seems like they are bending over backwards to appease you. They aren't.
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Most welfare recipients actually vote Republican. The vast majority of people on food stamps and welfare are in the Red States. The vast majority of the "47%" that Romney was talking about are on Social Security and vote Republican at nearly 2 to 1.
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I hear this a lot from Conservatives. I've addressed this directly. People do not just vote for who they think will give them what they want. Especially liberals. They vote because they believe in Freedom and the rights of the individual. They vote because they aren't going to live in fear or hatred.
And, which group was it that brought Ted F'ing Nugent to the State of the Union? Don't talk to me about entertainer endorsements.
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So, can you point out to me a particular "liberal" policy with which you take umbrage?
And don't give me "Everything" or some other nonsense bullsh1t. Be SPECIFIC about what you don't like and why you don't like it.
You can't support any thing you've written here. Why do you people argue about issues you clearly don't understand?
Frank

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#118
Feb 13, 2013
 
I don't listen to Limbaugh nor am I a big fan of FOX news (as I've already explained, I don't trust ANY of the networks as their all controlled by the same group of people).

Lol, admittedly, "Michael Savage" is the only radio show that I listen to--and that's only because he's entertaining, I don't take him serious either.

Lol, your quick to stereotype people, aren't you devil?

The fact of the matter is that I've known--and continue to know--many "liberals", and probaly 6 out of 10 are fkn nuts.

Please stop regurgitating the garbage from the liberal websites.

And once again you didn't read my post, lol.

As I pointed out, MANY people whom vote for the demotard candidates AREN'T LIBERALS AND CAN'T EVEN DEFINE THE WORD "LIBERAL". A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR SUPPORT COMES FROM MORONS WHOM KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS OR THE ISSUES. THEY VOTE FOR FREE STUFF AND BECAUSE THEIR FAVORITE ENTERTAINERS TELL THEM TOO, LOL.

By G-d I wish we could build ovens and feed them with liberals, lol.

I sincerely hate you devils (well, not all of you--probaly 90% though).

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#119
Feb 14, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
I don't listen to Limbaugh nor am I a big fan of FOX news (as I've already explained, I don't trust ANY of the networks as their all controlled by the same group of people).
Lol, admittedly, "Michael Savage" is the only radio show that I listen to--and that's only because he's entertaining, I don't take him serious either.
Lol, your quick to stereotype people, aren't you devil?
The fact of the matter is that I've known--and continue to know--many "liberals", and probaly 6 out of 10 are fkn nuts.
Please stop regurgitating the garbage from the liberal websites.
And once again you didn't read my post, lol.
As I pointed out, MANY people whom vote for the demotard candidates AREN'T LIBERALS AND CAN'T EVEN DEFINE THE WORD "LIBERAL". A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR SUPPORT COMES FROM MORONS WHOM KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS OR THE ISSUES. THEY VOTE FOR FREE STUFF AND BECAUSE THEIR FAVORITE ENTERTAINERS TELL THEM TOO, LOL.
By G-d I wish we could build ovens and feed them with liberals, lol.
I sincerely hate you devils (well, not all of you--probaly 90% though).
But you said you hate no one Frank. Are we still friends?

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#120
Feb 14, 2013
 
Stupid wrote:
" Nuggin wrote:
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Yet, you are defining liberalism by the actions of the 1% of the population that's on welfare."
Do you think Liberals are the only ones on welfare? please support this statement with a link or some other form of evidence.
You've jumped in late, misread the statement and misunderstood my position.

1-3% of the population is on welfare depending on which state you look at.

They are not primarily liberal or conservative as a group. They are mixed.

Frank, however, thinks that Obama was re-elected because this tiny groups is, in his opinion, overwhelmingly liberal and voted for "whoever will give us stuff".

This is not supported by facts.

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#121
Feb 14, 2013
 
Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>You can't support any thing you've written here. Why do you people argue about issues you clearly don't understand?
Do you have a specific objection, or do you think that by simply denying everything you gain some traction?

Pick a specific issue, and we'll go into detail.

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#122
Feb 14, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
The fact of the matter is that I've known--and continue to know--many "liberals", and probaly 6 out of 10 are fkn nuts.
Here's where you are making your mistake.

You know many more liberals than you think you know. There are plenty of perfectly rational and well-educated people with whom you interact every day. These liberals are completely invisible to you because you have no reason to talk about politics with them.

You are basing your opinion about liberals on the ones you "see" because they are vocal.

This is like assuming that all homosexuals are acting like the people in the Pride Parades or that all blacks are gun toting rappers who play professional sports.

You don't notice the gay guy who is your CPA because you don't know he's gay.

The black guy who owns the supermarket downtown doesn't get any time on MTV or ESPN.

Similarly, you see a dumbass college kid protesting and decide he is representative of all liberals. No. He's representative of dumbass college kids.
As I pointed out, MANY people whom vote for the demotard candidates AREN'T LIBERALS AND CAN'T EVEN DEFINE THE WORD "LIBERAL". A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR SUPPORT COMES FROM MORONS WHOM KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS OR THE ISSUES. THEY VOTE FOR FREE STUFF AND BECAUSE THEIR FAVORITE ENTERTAINERS TELL THEM TOO, LOL.
That's simply untrue.

People don't vote for free stuff. The VAST MAJORITY of liberals aren't getting _anything_ from the government.

They are voting on issues.

I've asked you to point out specific issues that you think define Conservativism and you can't.

Instead you've said things like "family", as if liberals didn't have families.
By G-d I wish we could build ovens and feed them with liberals, lol.
I sincerely hate you devils (well, not all of you--probaly 90% though).
And THAT is what I've been saying all along.

Conservatives vote out of ignorance and hatred.

They believe that anyone who has a different opinion deserves to die.

What I find astonishing is that while you are trying to push the liberals into the ovens, you are completely oblivious to the fact that the rest of the conservatives are shoving you in right after them.

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#123
Feb 14, 2013
 
Sceptical_Mal wrote:
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But you said you hate no one Frank. Are we still friends?
He's a conservative. Hate is all he has to go on.

Look at the Conservative positions:

- They hate the poor
- They hate women
- They hate minorities
- They hate education
- They hate homosexuals
- They hate anyone who is a different religion
- They hate equality
- They hate children

On and on and on.

I can't find a single thing that Conservatives are _for_. It's always what they are against.

When was the last time you saw a Conservative propose a policy that helped anyone other than the extremely rich?

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