What is a Conservative?
Frank

Raeford, NC

#61 Feb 5, 2013
P.S

And everything's not "bogotry".

Lol, here in the everyday conventional world in which we live, not everything is equal. Some things are "good" while some things are "bad".

Having principles and believing in that which leads to a successful society while opposing that which doesn't isn't "bigotry"...it's common sense.

Having preferences isn't "bigotry"...it's human nature.

We must label and judge in order to navigate this world...however, as the liberal sees it, labeling and judging or having an idea of right and wrong is "offensive" or "bigotry".

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#62 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
No, you're saying that I don't like gays and women---I'm saying that I oppose the radical homosexual agenda
What is "radical" about marriage?

And before you answer, yes I am going to point out that it was the conservatives who also made the argument that it was "radical" to allow blacks and whites to get married.
..and the anything goes and all things are equal philosophy...
What specifically do you oppose about personal freedom and equality?

What things do you feel you should be considered unequal in and therefore restricted from doing? Who gets to decide what things you are unequal in?
and the anti-Americanism...
Frankly, I find that there is nothing more unamerican than preventing people from voting.

Though I do rank things like "endangering our troops" and "denying personal liberty" pretty high on the list as well.
The reasons for why I'm not a liberal are too many to list.
Actually, it seems like a pretty short list. You don't like people who are different than you, but don't realize that neither do the rest of the Conservatives who view you as different.
While I'm the first to admit that I'm not the brightest, I'm not the kind of poor and ignorant minority that is easily manipulated with liberal talking points or by dangling a carrot either.
See, this is what I'm talking about.

Conservatives all seem to think that the only reason someone would vote for equal rights is if they person voting got something out of it.

Guess what. People will vote for equal rights because they believe it is the morally upstanding position.

I'm not gay. None of my immediate family is gay. None of my friends are gay. My wife has a gay friend. That's as close as I come to being personally effected by the desire for gay people to be treated equally under the law. I gain nothing personally from voting for their equality.

I'm not black. None of my immediate family is black. None of my close friends are black (I have very few close friends, all of them from college and it wasn't a particularly diverse school). I gain nothing personally from allowing black people to vote. However, I still feel that they should be given the right to do so.

I'm not poor. I'm upper middle class with earning potential to put me within reach of lower upper class. I gain nothing for the changes in tax policy. Yet, I still support the idea that the extremely wealthy should pay at least as much as the rest of the tax payers.

So, why is it that you think my votes have been bought? Why do you not support the rights of gays, blacks, etc?
Modern Liberalism has this tendecy to produce empty and useless human beings amongst the common folk whom stand for nothing and need the govt for everything. That's not me.
Stand for nothing?
Sorry, but equality is not nothing.
Interracial marriage is not nothing.
Allowing blacks to vote is not nothing.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#63 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
P.S
And everything's not "bogotry".
Lol, here in the everyday conventional world in which we live, not everything is equal. Some things are "good" while some things are "bad".
Having principles and believing in that which leads to a successful society while opposing that which doesn't isn't "bigotry"...it's common sense.
Having preferences isn't "bigotry"...it's human nature.
We must label and judge in order to navigate this world...however, as the liberal sees it, labeling and judging or having an idea of right and wrong is "offensive" or "bigotry".
Here's the difference.

A Conservative who hates black people is simply stating his opinion.
A Conservative who acts to prevent black people from voting is doing something wrong.

A Conservative who hates women is simply stating his opinion.
A Conservative who justifies rape because "women just rape so easy", is encouraging rape as sport.

A Conservative who hates homosexuals is simply stating his opinion (and trying to hide his own desires).
A Conservative who actively tries to deny them the rights we grant other Americans is trying to make them into second class citizens.

You're welcome to be a bigot. You just can't act on that bigotry.

The GOP hasn't just been acting on that bigotry, they've built their entire party platform around it.
Frank

Raeford, NC

#64 Feb 5, 2013
You're continuing to harp on the same tired racial issues, using the usual hot-words like "bigot", and "racist", blah blah blah, common liberal tactics...if you can't win on the issues then you'll stir up racial conflict and class-warfare, and/or dangle carrots!

Give it a rest. No amount of using the word "bigotry" or "racism" is going to persuade me into supporting the left, lol.

And you can't reduce conservatism into being nothing more than the worst of what some of its proponents have said or done---that's stupid.

Here's a helpful websites for ya.

http://www.nbra.info/
Frank

Raeford, NC

#65 Feb 5, 2013
P.S

And don't think that we're not aware of some of the problems that plague the gop---however black conservatives are hoping to eventually transform it into a multi-racial party.

Many non-white conservatives are sick of not having a voice, we're sick of the garbage that the Dems bring to the table but also disagree with certain aspects of the gop..we want a conservative party that speaks for us too..and eventually we'll have it.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#66 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
You're continuing to harp on the same tired racial issues, using the usual hot-words like "bigot", and "racist", blah blah blah, common liberal tactics...if you can't win on the issues then you'll stir up racial conflict and class-warfare, and/or dangle carrots!
You keep making this claim, but it isn't any truer now than when you first said it.

And, the right to vote is not a carrot. It's a right.
Give it a rest. No amount of using the word "bigotry" or "racism" is going to persuade me into supporting the left, lol.
And you can't reduce conservatism into being nothing more than the worst of what some of its proponents have said or done---that's stupid.
I'm not trying to persuade you at all.

The problem is that the Republican party which existed in the 80s is dead. The current Republican party is run by far right factions which are quite literally destroying the fabric of the country.

Obama proposes a tax rate on the wealthy which is _LOWER_ than what Reagan set and he's called a communist involved in class warfare.

Obama gives a speech which is virtually verbatim to Reagan's speech on assault weapons, he's accused of coming for your guns.

The Democrats are centerist now. That's how far right the GOP has gone.

That should concern you, not only as a Republican but as an American.

And, I'm still amazed that you continue to defend this tactic of preventing black people from voting.

There's simply NO justification for those actions whatsoever. They are DEEPLY unamerican.
Here's a helpful websites for ya.
http://www.nbra.info/
Yeah, and here's the conservative response I found by googling the name of the woman pictured on that website:
" FL Lt. Governor faces lezzboon scandal

Even as she becomes a prominent nigger surrogate for the Mitt Romney presidential campaign, and takes the spotlight leading a state task force on the controversial “Stand Your Ground” law, Florida Lt. Governor Jennifer Carroll is now fighting a sensational scandal involving an alleged lezzboon affair with an aide. Carroll, meanwhile, claims the accusations are from a disgruntled, fired apeployee who is trying to embarrass her former boss to avoid the consequences of her own crime."
That's from "chimpmania", a Conservative website dedicated to... how do they put it...
"As our guest you may read the majority of the forums pertaining to nigger news and behavior. You may also post in the Guest Forum. Members have access to much more - bashing niggers along with other humans and sharing stories is a great stress reliever.

Joining our community is simple. On signup we do not ask for your name or real email address. Member confidentiality is paramount. Please take a look around and we hope you make the decision to join us in spreading the truth about the savage and feral nigger.

This is a human forum only - no niggers are allowed. "
But it's the left with their "carrots" that are the problem, not the right with their clear hatred of African Americans.

Brilliant analysis

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#67 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
P.S
And don't think that we're not aware of some of the problems that plague the gop---however black conservatives are hoping to eventually transform it into a multi-racial party.
Many non-white conservatives are sick of not having a voice, we're sick of the garbage that the Dems bring to the table but also disagree with certain aspects of the gop..we want a conservative party that speaks for us too..and eventually we'll have it.
Then _fight_ for it.

Where are the black conservatives who came out AGAINST the GOP's strategy of not allowing black people to vote?

You guys should have been on every talkshow, every news show, every night until the GOP changed it's strategy.

Instead, they had you sitting quietly in the corner not saying anything.

Why didn't all the African American delegates leave the GOP convention when the white delegates started throwing peanuts at the black reporter and making monkey noises?

You guys did nothing. Instead, they put you in the corner again. Patted you on the head and left you to think "Some day it will get better".

Where are the Hispanic Conservatives who are trying to reform immigration? Why aren't they standing up to the hardliners who are backing a policy of racial profiling and fear mongering?

Why aren't the hispanic and black conservatives pushing for marijuana legalization on the grounds that it's small government, helps farmers and was only made illegal on fears of "black raping white women".

Hell, you guys never say or do anything. You never stand up for what you believe. You never try and change the party platform.

You might as well just print black pictures on wooden tokens and hand them to the white delegates to carry around for all the good your opinions do.

If you want the party to change, then change it.
Frank

Raeford, NC

#68 Feb 5, 2013
We're going to have to agree to disagree.

You seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that there are non-whites whom are a part of the right!

Get it in your head...our hope is to transform the party, if not in its entirety (just yet) then in certain regions. This is far from over, reform of the gop is going to happen. America is changing and the GOP is going to change too.

And I DON'T CARE if there are republicans whom are "racists". There are racists at the grocery store, at the gas-station, everywhere--so what?

By some definitions, I too am a "racist", a black "supremacist", lol.

No amount of discussing white racism or quoting conservative white-supremacists/white-natio nalists is going to sway me. There are racist conservatives....however conservatism isn't racist.

There ya go. I DON'T SUPPORT YOUR SUICIDAL IDEALOGY, THAT'S IT!

http://www.nbra.info/
Frank

Raeford, NC

#69 Feb 5, 2013
"Racial profiling", "hate mongering", more words adored by libs, lol.

Gawwwdd I hate you guys!

You do waaaay more harm than good. I'm sick of your race-obcession and pc garbage!

PLEASE, move to the UK, its a liberal paradise and you'll be happier there!

peace

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#70 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
"Racial profiling", "hate mongering", more words adored by libs, lol.
Gawwwdd I hate you guys!
You do waaaay more harm than good. I'm sick of your race-obcession and pc garbage!
PLEASE, move to the UK, its a liberal paradise and you'll be happier there!
peace
You think I'm "race obsessed" for pointing out that the GOP quite literally made the campaign strategy: "Do let blacks vote."

I don't know if you are aware of this, but African Americans had to struggle to get the right to vote in the first place.

Pushing to take away that right because you believe that they are too ignorant to make decisions for themselves isn't just reckless, it's unamerican.

If you TRULY believe that blacks shouldn't be allowed to vote, then why don't you lead by example?

I'm being serious.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#71 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
"Racial profiling", "hate mongering", more words adored by libs, lol.
Gawwwdd I hate you guys!
You do waaaay more harm than good. I'm sick of your race-obcession and pc garbage!
PLEASE, move to the UK, its a liberal paradise and you'll be happier there!
peace
Hows about you go back to africa? Hmmm?

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#72 Feb 5, 2013
Frank wrote:
By some definitions, I too am a "racist", a black "supremacist", lol.
Its OBVIOUS!
frank

Raeford, NC

#73 Feb 5, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
You think I'm "race obsessed" for pointing out that the GOP quite literally made the campaign strategy: "Do let blacks vote."
I don't know if you are aware of this, but African Americans had to struggle to get the right to vote in the first place.
Pushing to take away that right because you believe that they are too ignorant to make decisions for themselves isn't just reckless, it's unamerican.
If you TRULY believe that blacks shouldn't be allowed to vote, then why don't you lead by example?
I'm being serious.
This is getting old--you're entire strategy hinges upon "the gop is racist" and "they don't want you to vote".

You've paid no attention to my pointing out that there are many people of color whom are conservatives and that our hope is to transform the gop.

And on another note, in a perfect world people would be required to take competency tests before voting because there's way too many idiots whom don't understand the issues, they don't understand what's at stake here--these types vote for whomever promises them free stuff while others choose their candidates based upon whom their favorite entertainers endorse, lol.

There are people whom can't even define "Capitalism" or "communism", recite the pledge of allegiance, or name five presidents...and allowed to vote? Lol, okay.

Yeah, the systems broke for sure.

“I'm usually right”

Since: Feb 13

I 'm not sure

#75 Feb 5, 2013
Neither party is any good, both have their flaws.

The right are too close-minded and the left has too many nuts and bums.

We need three or four parties.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#76 Feb 5, 2013
frank wrote:
<quoted text>
This is getting old--you're entire strategy hinges upon "the gop is racist" and "they don't want you to vote".
You've paid no attention to my pointing out that there are many people of color whom are conservatives and that our hope is to transform the gop.
And on another note, in a perfect world people would be required to take competency tests before voting because there's way too many idiots whom don't understand the issues, they don't understand what's at stake here--these types vote for whomever promises them free stuff while others choose their candidates based upon whom their favorite entertainers endorse, lol.
There are people whom can't even define "Capitalism" or "communism", recite the pledge of allegiance, or name five presidents...and allowed to vote? Lol, okay.
Yeah, the systems broke for sure.
I completely agree that we should have a competency test for voting, especially here in California where voter initiatives which can be several pages long are reduced to 4 line paragraphs that most voters never seen until the reach the booth.

You can't expect even intelligent people to understand the ramifications of a prop if they are only reading a summary of it.

However, that's not the system we have.

And I have addressed your point about the fact that there are some people in the Republican party who are not racists. I agree.

However, that doesn't change the actions of the _LEADERSHIP_ of the party.

You've been criticizing the democratic party based on the actions of the least among them, the college kids at protests.

I'm not talking about Billy Bob Racist who happens to vote Republican. I'm talking about a decision at the top of the party to systematically disenfranchise black people nationwide.

I'm talking about George Bush Sr. playing off racial hatred with his Willy Horton adds.

I'm talking about George Bush Jr. forcing McCain out of the race for adopting a brown child.

I'm talking about thousands of people of color in Florida who showed up to vote and were turned away because their rights were taken from them.

You say you want to change the party. Okay. WHEN? Nothing has changed at all in 20+ years that I've been paying attention.

So, when exactly are these changes going to come.
When are you and the rest of the colored conservatives going to stands up and demand to be heard.

And what do you think is going to happen when you do finally decide to stand up?
frank

Raeford, NC

#77 Feb 5, 2013
agnostic zen guy wrote:
Neither party is any good, both have their flaws.
The right are too close-minded and the left has too many nuts and bums.
We need three or four parties.
I agree.
Christian

United States

#78 Feb 6, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you explain that better?
How do you determine which position is the "common sense" position?
For example:
Is it "common sense" that motorcycle riders should be required to wear a helmet?
Or is it "common sense" that a motorcycle rider is allowed to risk his life if he wants and therefore should not be required to wear a helmet?
They don't understand common sense, Frank.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#79 Feb 6, 2013
Christian wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't understand common sense, Frank.
No, I don't understand what you think is "common sense".

For example, was it common sense that the law which allowed more pollution was called "The Clean Air Act"?

Or was that just an attempt to trick Conservatives into supporting something because they aren't exactly big on details?
OKAY

Houston, TX

#80 Feb 6, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Hows about you go back to africa? Hmmm?
Why don't you quit breathing since you are such a waste of oxygen...
Christian

United States

#81 Feb 6, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't understand what you think is "common sense".
For example, was it common sense that the law which allowed more pollution was called "The Clean Air Act"?
Or was that just an attempt to trick Conservatives into supporting something because they aren't exactly big on details?
OH, are you one of those global warming earth worshippers?

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