The Great Pyramid And The Great Flood

The Great Pyramid And The Great Flood

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#1 Sep 18, 2011
I'm told the "Great Flood" happened between three thousand (3000) and two thousand (2000) BCE. It's also estimated that the Great Pyramid at Giza was finished around twenty-five sixty (2560) BCE.

Now, unless I'm missing something, that pyramid was completely underwater. Shouldn't it show some sign(s) of damage, such as water erosion?
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#2 Sep 18, 2011
twinertia wrote:
I'm told the "Great Flood" happened between three thousand (3000) and two thousand (2000) BCE. It's also estimated that the Great Pyramid at Giza was finished around twenty-five sixty (2560) BCE.
Now, unless I'm missing something, that pyramid was completely underwater. Shouldn't it show some sign(s) of damage, such as water erosion?
Should at least be some fish in the basement...

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#3 Sep 18, 2011
twinertia wrote:
I'm told the "Great Flood" happened between three thousand (3000) and two thousand (2000) BCE. It's also estimated that the Great Pyramid at Giza was finished around twenty-five sixty (2560) BCE.
Now, unless I'm missing something, that pyramid was completely underwater. Shouldn't it show some sign(s) of damage, such as water erosion?
Give it up. You will NEVER get these poor mindless Christbots to look at the facts.

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#4 Sep 18, 2011
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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Give it up. You will NEVER get these poor mindless Christbots to look at the facts.
Then at least there will be another record of their ignorance.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#5 Sep 18, 2011
twinertia wrote:
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Then at least there will be another record of their ignorance.
And hopefully some more insane lies that they make up to "refute" any facts showing how stupid their mythology is.
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#6 Sep 18, 2011
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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And hopefully some more insane lies that they make up to "refute" any facts showing how stupid their mythology is.
I'm sure you have plenty to share with us all.
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#7 Sep 19, 2011
twinertia wrote:
I'm told the "Great Flood" happened between three thousand (3000) and two thousand (2000) BCE. It's also estimated that the Great Pyramid at Giza was finished around twenty-five sixty (2560) BCE.
Now, unless I'm missing something, that pyramid was completely underwater. Shouldn't it show some sign(s) of damage, such as water erosion?
You've got the +/- 2560BC dating of The Great Pyramid of Giza pretty well.
At least so far as archeologists can determine.
But you are off somewhat in the dating tradition of The Great Flood.

According to ancient documents of many ancient civilizations, there are three sharing a fairly synonymous, consistent dating tradition.

Now most conservative Bible students will grant that Moses was not an eye-witness of the Deluge. Prescinding from Divine revelation, he must have derived his information about the event either from tradition or from written documents.

Compare the similar conclusions of the Hebrew, Sumerian and Babylonian or Akkadian account of the Deluge.
Most of us are familiar with the Biblical Genesis account and we find that the version given in a Sumerian cuneiform inscription on tablets preserved in the British Museum, and first deciphered by George Smith in 1872, contains a combination of the Biblical elements of the Flood story.
This version is said by experts to date back at least to about 3000 B.C.
Keep in mind that 3,000 B.C. is the date of the cuneiform, not the date of the flood it describes.

Genesis places the Deluge in the six-hundredth year of Noah; the Masoretic text assigns it to the year 1656 after the creation, the Samaritan to 1307, the Septuagint to 2242, Flavius Josephus to 2256, Years AFTER The Creation.

Again, the Masoretic text places it in B.C. 2350 or 2253, the Samaritan in 2903, the Septuagint in 3134. According to the ancient traditions, the Assyrians placed the Deluge in 2234 B.C. or 2316, the Greeks in 2300, the Egyptians in 2600, the Phoenicians in 2700, the Mexicans in 2900, the Indians in 3100, the Chinese in 2297, while the Armenians assigned the building of the Tower of Babel to about 2200 B.C.
But as archeologists have found, we must be prepared to assign earlier dates to these events.

So as to your question about the relationship between the Pyramid at Giza and the Great Flood, regardless of one's opinion on historicity, it's obvious which one would have preceded the other.

Unless, of course, you want to believe the Great Flood was responsible for washing away the Great Pyramid's outer covering of casing stones that formed a smooth outer surface over the underlying core structure visible today.
8D

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

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#8 Sep 19, 2011
Jumper wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure you have plenty to share with us all.
This is NOT the place to post your homosexual fantasies.

Besides, I'm not gay.
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#9 Sep 20, 2011
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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This is NOT the place to post your homosexual fantasies.
Besides, I'm not gay.
Then you have nothing to add to the subject of The Great Flood?

Childish remarks like that make you look ignorant.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#10 Sep 20, 2011
Jumper wrote:
<quoted text>Then you have nothing to add to the subject of The Great Flood?
Childish remarks like that make you look ignorant.
So says the one who has not added anything to this thread on the "Great Flood". Such irony shows YOU to be the ignorant one!
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#11 Sep 20, 2011
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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So says the one who has not added anything to this thread on the "Great Flood". Such irony shows YOU to be the ignorant one!
How can I add anything if you resort to school yard insults?
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#12 Sep 20, 2011
Now here is a fine example of "intellectual" contributions.......NOT!
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>
Give it up. You will NEVER get these poor mindless Christbots to look at the facts.
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>
And hopefully some more insane lies that they make up to "refute" any facts showing how stupid their mythology is.
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>
This is NOT the place to post your homosexual fantasies.
Besides, I'm not gay.
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>
So says the one who has not added anything to this thread on the "Great Flood". Such irony shows YOU to be the ignorant one!
No wonder the boy is delusional.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#13 Sep 20, 2011
Jumper wrote:
<quoted text>How can I add anything if I always resort to school yard insults?
Good question!

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#14 Sep 20, 2011
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
Now here is a fine example of "intellectual" contributions.......NOT!

Jumper - I'm sure you have plenty to share with us all

Jumper - Then you have nothing to add to the subject of The Great Flood?
Childish remarks like that make you look ignorant.

Jumper - How can I add anything if you resort to school yard insults?

No wonder the boy Jumper is delusional.
Another good point!
JESUS IS

Doncaster, Australia

#15 Sep 24, 2011
THE GREAT PYRAMID - THE PILLAR OF ENOCH:
http://www.flyingchariotministries.com/thegre...
JESUS IS

Doncaster, Australia

#16 Sep 24, 2011
"PILLAR OF ENOCH"

Isaiah 19:19 -“In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD. And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt…”
RKlaus

Bothell, WA

#17 Jul 11, 2013
No one knows when the great flood occurred, although there have been many, many guesses. No one knows the exact age of the great pyramid and its two, nearby companions. You can't carbon date stones, as they are not made of biological material. There have been attempts at carbon-dating the mortar, but this results in many different dates and any dates that are much older than mainstream archeology accepts, are immediately discarded. What is absolutely known about the great pyramids and its companions is this: The creators of these great wonders were quite well equipped with the very best of power tools. They left behind many lathe-turned stone vases near the pyramid of Saqquara. Some of these were made out of solid granite and are lathe-turned both inside and out. These can be seen in the museum in Cairo. They left behind many high-speed core drill holes in the cut stones surrounding the Giza plateau. These are easily verifiable as having been cut at rotating speeds of many thousands of revolutions per minute.(Those guys with the primitive bow drills must have been drinking some high-octane coffee - LOL.) The ancient pyramid builders also, left behind some wonderfully precise horizontal saw-cuts in the vertical stone faces of several of the large stones on or near the Giza plateau. These are very precise cuts that could only have been made by a large rotary blade spinning at a very high rpm. They also, left behind at least one piece of stone with a deep circular grinding mark - such as would be created by a modern angle grinder (and would be impossible with a hand-powered tool).
The pyramids of Egypt were made before the great flood of Noah. There was an incredibly advanced civilization upon the earth at that time - perhaps, even more advanced than our own.(We do not have the technology to build the great pyramid, now - or anything reasonably close.)
According to the Bible, the flood waters were not upon the earth for a very long time. There is no reason for there to have been extensive water erosion on the pyramids. However, the "Queens Chamber" was encrusted with a thick layer of salt when it was originally opened for viewing. This may have been trapped sea salt
dying slowly

Las Vegas, NV

#18 Jul 12, 2013
The flood was not global whatsoever.

And the bible never said that it was.

It "covered the whole of the earth" right? Earth is interchangeable with "ground", if i flood my backyard i might say the water covered the whole of the ground.

That is all that it was, it was a localized flood and not global.

There is another part in there that errouneously states it covered the mountains, but when you look at other translations and study the hebrew closely it only states that it covered the hills of that area.

Now if it were a localized flood, you just might be able to get the animals in one area on the boat if you wished to preserve them.

But here is the wierdest part, spirits can talk to animals, they got them onto the boat, they can talk with animals. I imagine that all you would need to do is tell them that if they wanted to live then get on the boat.

Sceptical_Mal

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#19 Jul 12, 2013
Why bother with the animals if it was a localized flood?

Why make nonsense even more nonsensical?

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#20 Jul 12, 2013
The events depicted in Genesis are TRUE and HISTORICAL... BUT, they are not presented using literal or historical LANGUAGE, but rather in the LANGUAGE of myth. Why do so many of my fellow-Catholics (ESPECIALLY the Protestant converts) have a problem accepting this? What's more, no one ever said that Genesis, or any book of Scripture, is a straight, comprehensive narrative, as opposed to a collection of various sources. The account of the Nephilim in Genesis 6 is one of these independent sources-an isolated story intended to theologically support what surrounds it. Notice, for example, that Noah himself is never mentioned in this account, nor is he or his Flood ever connected to the Nephilim. Rather, these are independent "vignettes" with no narrative connection to each other, save the intention of introducing the context of the Flood. But, despite popular belief, that context is not because of the conception of the Nephilim, but exactly the opposite. Because man had become "fleshy" with no "heavenly virtue" in him and so God's Spirit was being slowly withdrawn (see the decreasing genealogies in Gen 5) and man was growing in wickedness.



Noah's covenant forms part of the basis of salvation history. If Noah's story is nothing more than a reworking of the Gelgamesh epic or some other myth, then St. Peter and Jesus Himself were mistaken.



Again, Noah is a historical person (although his literal name wasn't "Noah"), and the Covenant really happened. BUT, what we have in Genesis is NOT a literal historical narrative, but an account written in MYTHIC language. And, if you do not come to terms with this, you will, sooner or later, hit a brick wall. Catholicism is a REAL faith, and one must deal with our Traditional heritage REALISTICALLY. We may not bury our heads in the sand.



It is also true that the Flood was a major historical event in the fertile crescent that is attested to in several places. The Greeks, the Hindus, the Babylonians, and several others have stories about the Deluge. Recently, it has been shown that there was catastrophic flooding in the area of the Black Sea about 7000 years ago which inundated many coastal cities and towns very rapidly. This has been implicated by some as the flood of Noah.



We've discussed this before, but I don't believe that a "regional flood" takes care of the account in Genesis, both because Genesis is clearly speaking of a universal catastrophe (i.e., one that HAD TO affect all of the peoples outlined in Genesis 10 - a demographic stretching from Persia to Spain, and from the Ukraine to Nubia), and also because Genesis is not speaking of a literal flood at all (although floods may have been literally part of it), but rather of the "waters of chaos" (a common mythic image of pan-Semitic mythology) which are, in the Genesis narrative, first cited in Gen 1:2, then "divided" by the firmament in Genesis 1:6-7 into the "waters above" and the "water below." It is these same "waters above" and "waters below" (that is, not literal water, but the primordial principal of "chaos") which are permitted to flow back into creation (from both "above" AND "below") in Genesis 7:11, thereby destroying the world, which is presented (in Genesis' cosmology) as a kind of "bubble" surrounded by this "watery chaos" above and below. The Flood account is merely saying that God allowed "chaos" to flow back into His Creation and destroy it-that is, some universal (though unspecified) catastrophe nearly wiped mankind out. And, if we look at physical evidence before 15,000 years ago, near the end of the last Ice Age (when mankind mysteriously first appears on this planet), this approach seems to be the reality.
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Sc...

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