From a christian view, are we animals?

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#222 Sep 6, 2010
Ticked Off

Notice how they give the Molten Steel a Very Wide Berth ??

Most of the Nay Sayers Do...Pathetically Enough...

Unfortunately Jammer is amongst them as he is a Very strong Allie Everywhere else..

A.
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#223 Sep 6, 2010
Atheist wrote:
Ticked Off
Notice how they give the Molten Steel a Very Wide Berth ??
Most of the Nay Sayers Do...Pathetically Enough...
Unfortunately Jammer is amongst them as he is a Very strong Allie Everywhere else..
A.
I don't know anything about physics. I do know that I've seen live videos of 9/11 in which first responders were reporting explosions at levels much lower than the crash sites. There is also testimony that bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the towers two weeks before 9/11, and workmen were doing some sort of "electrical work" in the buildings before 9/11. Why doesn't anyone say anything about building 7?
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#224 Sep 6, 2010
Atheist wrote:
Ticked Off
Notice how they give the Molten Steel a Very Wide Berth ??
Most of the Nay Sayers Do...Pathetically Enough...
Unfortunately Jammer is amongst them as he is a Very strong Allie Everywhere else..
A.
Remember how long Bush stalled in forming the 9/11 Commission? Then, when he finally agreed to it, he chose the participants, and refused to give them a lot of information/documents. Remember when Bush and Cheney insisted on being interviewed together,(like little girls), and refused to be questioned under oath?
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#225 Sep 6, 2010
Atheist wrote:
Ticked Off
Notice how they give the Molten Steel a Very Wide Berth ??
Most of the Nay Sayers Do...Pathetically Enough...
Unfortunately Jammer is amongst them as he is a Very strong Allie Everywhere else..
A.
Isn't it strange that no one ever saw or investigated the plane rubble from the Pentagon? It was whisked away, out of sight.
Mambo Wambo

Alpharetta, GA

#226 Sep 7, 2010
Wow, there are some real mambo-wambo whackaholics posting what is a TRULY IMPOSSIBLE "Mission Impossible" on this thread!

You conspiracy-theorists are barren of even a slight hint of a clue concerning the sheer incongruousness about planning, proposing, pre-arranging and enacting with split-second timing & accuracy the attack of "911!"

You are dumb as hammers at understanding even rudimentally any of the demographics and logistical connectives involved for such a plot to successfully be pulled together into reality; not to mention the massive cooperative effort involved. the amount of
professional individual/group/corporative
support that would be required
(all secretively-spawning like robots to the task)
to meld together all the necessary planning tools (meets, manuals, blueprints, people, equipment, with etceteras on end) for the attack.

Oh, and don't forget that the Christian Right (Bush etal) would have to join forces with the extremely radical Islamic Al Qaeda terrorist org.,(Osama bin Laden & co. and the Taliban) from the plot's beginnings to its endings and through all the past nine years of aftermath dealings, and cover-ups!

They are going to trust each other every step of the way, right? AND, Bush/Cheney & Co., from the "GREAT SATAN" land of America,(the back of Islam's most utterly-despised "Israel") are going to elicit some 20+ Islamic suicide-terrorists to trust these plotters with their lives. And, they will, for Bush,
agree collectively to Bush-Train for two years for the precisionly complex attack. These whacko islamic suicide terrorists are the dependables that Bush and Chaney would trust and go to the bank on with their own lives at stake (they'd be traitors if caught), their reputations, positions, families and wealth.

Hundreds of secretly cooperating people (Christian/Israeli/Islamic), without so much as a damp spot, let alone a leak, about the "911" plan!
G. W. Bush would qualify as the greatest genius mind of all time to pull this off. Move over "M.I. Team!"

And why would President Bush and VP Chaney plan & enact all this???

Why, to distract America from some missing and, uhh, un-accounted Fed Funds? They murdered some 3,000 innocents, caused untold billions of $$ of havok and destruction, and a massive ship-sinking economic debackle; all of it to distract us Americans from some "phantom" governmental accounting errors!

Chaney said to Bush on the fateful first meeting that spawned "911," "Mr. President ..., Georgie Boy, there's a trillion buck missing and unaccounted for. we gotta distract America's attention from it. what say we secretly organize a massive terrorist attack. I can call bin Laden and elicit him, al Qaeda, and the Taliban as co-conspirators for this covert act!"

GWB: "Great idea, Dick! Let me know the particulars; target, date, etc. Hey this would be a great way to force them to build me a new White House. Uhuh,..., yeah ... great idea! Be sure to include the complete destruction of the White House in the attack. I'm tired of this old building,... roof leaks and floor squeeks ... ahuh-ahuh, ayuk-ayuk,... Hee-Haw, Hooah!"

Dick: Awright! I'll get right on it, Goergie M'Boy!'
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#227 Sep 7, 2010
Jeb Bush activated the FL National Guard a week before the attacks.
I'm not saying Bush planned it. I'm saying he knew it was coming and let it happen.
Another strange fact is that the Patriot Act was already printed and ready to go.

I'm not saying Bush and Cheney planned the attacks.
I'm saying they knew about and let it happen.

I wonder why the Patriot Act was already written and ready to be signed?

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#228 Sep 7, 2010
Now I remember why i stopped posting on this forum. I see the religious nutters haven't got any smarter since the last time I posted. I can't believe some of my compatriots are still arguing with these poor misguided ignoramuses. I wish I had that kind of patience.

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#229 Sep 7, 2010
Mambo

Obviously you have no clue about what is going on..

Google

Operation Northwoods

The rest of your diatribe isn't worth reading, let alone responding to....

The truth either way will come out ar some time..

A.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#230 Sep 7, 2010
Reasoner wrote:
Now I remember why i stopped posting on this forum. I see the religious nutters haven't got any smarter since the last time I posted. I can't believe some of my compatriots are still arguing with these poor misguided ignoramuses. I wish I had that kind of patience.
Hi reasoner!
I mentioned your name just the other day on a different thread.
Good to hear from you and hope you are doing well.
I missed you.

“Keep your eyes on Israel”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#231 Sep 7, 2010
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Hi reasoner!
I mentioned your name just the other day on a different thread.
Good to hear from you and hope you are doing well.
I missed you.
Yup...that reasoner...he knows God alright...I am glad you are friends with him...he has taught you much I bet.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232 Sep 7, 2010
I seeJesus wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup...that reasoner...he knows God alright...I am glad you are friends with him...he has taught you much I bet.
I can tell you one thing about Reasoner.
He does not taut nor stalk nor criticize me, even though he knows I am Catholic, he has never belittled me or my beliefs.
YOU HAVE!

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#233 Sep 7, 2010
Ticked off

""I don't know anything about physics.""

You don't have to know anything about Physics to understand that these building fell from explosives including Thermite...

You simply need to use Critical Thought, and you have... Now all you have to do is start putting the pieces together..

"" I do know that I've seen live videos of 9/11 in which first responders were reporting explosions at levels much lower than the crash sites.""

Exactly...

There were many eyewitness reports of explosions. some of which were captured on video..

As well there are Several eyewitness accounts of molten Steel..

Funny how the nay sayers don't go down that road of debate with me, and if they do they post some pre packaged "Debunking" site....

"" There is also testimony that bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the towers two weeks before 9/11, and workmen were doing some sort of "electrical work" in the buildings before 9/11.""

Exactly....

These are the things that no one talks about because they set off alarms in people's heads...

"" Why doesn't anyone say anything about building 7?""

Randomly in conversation with people, ask them how many building fell that day in New York... You'll get some interesting replies....

Watch the BBC video of WTC being reported collapsed 20 mins before it actually happened



Ask yourself, how that happened.. Who tipped them off that it was coming down ??

As for the 9/11 Omission Report,, here is a good link

http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commissio...

Bush and Cheney had to be on the same page,, that's why they did the interview together, NOT under Oath...

Ask yourself Why they didn't Testify like Anyone else,, alone and Under Oath..

Peace

A.
Thinking

Peterborough, UK

#234 Sep 7, 2010
What's your opinion of this article?

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
Atheist wrote:
Ticked off
""I don't know anything about physics.""
You don't have to know anything about Physics to understand that these building fell from explosives including Thermite...
You simply need to use Critical Thought, and you have... Now all you have to do is start putting the pieces together..
"" I do know that I've seen live videos of 9/11 in which first responders were reporting explosions at levels much lower than the crash sites.""
Exactly...
There were many eyewitness reports of explosions. some of which were captured on video..
As well there are Several eyewitness accounts of molten Steel..
Funny how the nay sayers don't go down that road of debate with me, and if they do they post some pre packaged "Debunking" site....
"" There is also testimony that bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the towers two weeks before 9/11, and workmen were doing some sort of "electrical work" in the buildings before 9/11.""
Exactly....
These are the things that no one talks about because they set off alarms in people's heads...
"" Why doesn't anyone say anything about building 7?""
Randomly in conversation with people, ask them how many building fell that day in New York... You'll get some interesting replies....
Watch the BBC video of WTC being reported collapsed 20 mins before it actually happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =C7SwOT29gbcXX
Ask yourself, how that happened.. Who tipped them off that it was coming down ??
As for the 9/11 Omission Report,, here is a good link
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commissio...
Bush and Cheney had to be on the same page,, that's why they did the interview together, NOT under Oath...
Ask yourself Why they didn't Testify like Anyone else,, alone and Under Oath..
Peace
A.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#235 Sep 7, 2010
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever,I have no need to do this with you again.
I find it very amusing that you have this in common with so many hard core conservative republicans God fearing fundamentalist.
1/3 of Americans believe as you do and 1/3 of Americans believe in young earth creation. See the connection? I do..ROFLAO
Actually there is NO connection. If you do, then I think you're delusional.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#236 Sep 7, 2010
Thinking wrote:
What's your opinion of this article?
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
<quoted text>
I only read into the first paragraph to tell that this link is just propaganda offering invalid/false "arguments', logic, and distortion of facts. For right away, they falsely proclaim " so the claims of hearing explosions become meaningless". Which is pure BS, as I saw the video and heard the explosions right after the owner of the building said to "pull it" when his crew requested permission to do so. Which everyone in the demolition business say it's the term used to set off the explosives to demolish a building. So anyone claiming " so the claims of hearing explosions become meaningless" is nothing but a liar.
Thinking

Peterborough, UK

#237 Sep 7, 2010
I'm neither promoting or attacking that site.

That said, I worked on the CFD for a terrible fire in the UK underground system and I know how to model a dropping steel latticed skyscraper. Those things are just so heavy that any asymmetric failure in the lattice results in a symmetrical collapse.

I'm very open to look at the Pentagon missile/plane data though.
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
I only read into the first paragraph to tell that this link is just propaganda offering invalid/false "arguments', logic, and distortion of facts. For right away, they falsely proclaim " so the claims of hearing explosions become meaningless". Which is pure BS, as I saw the video and heard the explosions right after the owner of the building said to "pull it" when his crew requested permission to do so. Which everyone in the demolition business say it's the term used to set off the explosives to demolish a building. So anyone claiming " so the claims of hearing explosions become meaningless" is nothing but a liar.

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#238 Sep 7, 2010
Hello

Thinking...

""What's your opinion of this article?""

Well as I said in previous posts,, my verdict is still out on the substance coming from tower...

However I will make a comment on it....

(Quotes and Comments are from the link above)

""The molten metal that conspiracy theorists point to are a glowing flow coming from the south tower window ""

If it is not Steel (sparks are the right color for steel BTW), what other than steel could it be ??

""Let's forget for a moment that thermite doesn't explode so the claims of hearing explosions become meaningless.""

Not only does Thermite Explode,, it Explodes Violently with Large amounts of white smoke.. THe thermite reaction is a Violent reaction..

""Why would they use thermite which cuts steel without announcing it, then switch to explosives? ""

for the simple reason that some columns may have been too large to cut with explosives.. Although thermite is a violent reaction it would be quieter and easier to conceal than a large cutting charge.

""Let's also give ourselves selective amnesia and pretend thermite can burn sideways to melt vertical columns""

Thermite can Absolutely cut sideways..
What makes anyone think that it Can't ??

Down on a 45 degree angle is sideways.

Why does there need to be a Device, and why do they focus so much on a device?

Packed on a downward 45,the thermite will cut sideways

""The last thing we are to ignore is that this thermite charge didn't go off during the impact and decided to go off later. Yes, thermite needs a very hot source or primary explosive to go off but this primary explosive didn't go off either""

What does this have to do with Anything?

""Wrong, the sounds were described as happening at the time of collapse.""

When were they suppose to go off?

""Yes, thermite needs a very hot source or primary explosive to go off but this primary explosive didn't go off either.""

Thermite isn't ignited with an explosion...
It's usually ignited with magnesium or another ignition.. since Thermite is a powder *unless there is a variety that is mold-able or suspended in a matrix),, and explosion would cause damage to the thermite and probably not ignite. Thermite for the most part can be ignited relatively quietly

""I have yet to see this 1,100C fireproof container""

Then I suppose the author of this article has never seen KO wool (Ceramic wool)which I have and use all the time at these temperatures.

""The reaction between IRON AND STEAM is also very EXOTHERMIC and fast at temperatures above 400 deg C. This reaction produces Fe3O4 AND HYDROGEN. It is the classic example of a REVERSIBLE REACTION studied in Chemistry labs at high school. But believe it or not, back at the turn of the century, the reaction of iron and steam was used as an industrial process for the manufacture of hydrogen.""

What they are suggesting here is that spraying water onto hot steel releases Hydrogen from the water,, Which kept the Steel Hot in a Revolving door process.. The more water used, the more Hydrogen produced, which fueled the fire bringing the steel to near molten Temperatures

Preposterous!


""I think iron and steam could have reacted in this way (at least for a while) and generated a lot of heat. What is more, the hydrogen released would have been converted back to water by reaction with oxygen, thereby generating even more heat. In this case spraying water on the rubble pile was like adding fuel to a fire!""

That's Funny

"Now add in gypsum reactions with H2 and CO and we have a great source of SO2 and/or H2S to sulfide the steel!"

Gypsum adding sulfur to the fire is Nonsense(sulfur added to Thermite is Thermate)

Considering gypsum wallboard is involved fires on an Hourly basis including steel framed structures,, only 3 building in the history of modern steel construction have even fallen this way due to fire WTC 1 2 7

If what they say is true,why isn't Gypsum wallboard banned today ?

The link is Easily Debunked as you can see.

A

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#239 Sep 7, 2010
Thinking...

""I'm neither promoting or attacking that site.""

Agreed

""That said, I worked on the CFD for a terrible fire in the UK underground system and I know how to model a dropping steel latticed skyscraper.""

What you have to remember is that this building was Overly built...

The Architect said on video that a plane flying into that building would be akin to poking a pen into a window screen...

"" Those things are just so heavy that any asymmetric failure in the lattice results in a symmetrical collapse.""

all this aside for a moment..

That Still does not explain the molten steel in the basements of all three buildings..

It also doesn't account for Explosions being eyewitnessed by police and firefighters...

In all honesty,,how can you conclude to side with the Official story when there is incredible amounts of evidence that suggest Anything But the Official Story happened??

I simply do not how anyone can Deny all of these things...

""I'm very open to look at the Pentagon missile/plane data though. ""

But Explosives in WTC 1-2-7 is out of the question ??

Anyone who utterly denies and refuses to look at explosives and thermite is a possibility really needs to reevaluate the evidence..

It's Blatantly Obvious.

A.

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#240 Sep 7, 2010
Thinking

""Those things are just so heavy that any asymmetric failure in the lattice results in a symmetrical collapse.""\

Not to belittle your occupation, however Why don't we leave these things to the professionals to explain..

Have a read here :

http://www.ae911truth.org/

A.

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#241 Sep 7, 2010
Seen

How are you ??

""Actually there is NO connection. If you do, then I think you're delusional. ""

It was an attempt to discredit me..

Regretfully Jammer has refused to answer my questions,, which in fact is Exactly what some Christians do...

I on the other hand invite questions and dialog on the subject..

Peace

A.

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