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“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

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#10543 Dec 29, 2012
the perfect idiot wrote:
The GOD of Jesus is
IAM
Jesus is God, He is the I Am.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#10544 Dec 29, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
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Jesus is God, He is the I Am.
I don't think so......God is God and Jesus was just a man.....granted he's known to be the Son of God, but he's not God.......here is something of interest:
Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"
Answer: Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words,“I am God.”
http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html

Now, there are lots of scripture that try and make it seem that Jesus and God are one in the same, but there are NO scriptures that state precisely that Jesus "IS GOD"!!!

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#10545 Dec 29, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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You are the one who is trying to show that the gospel accounts are like fictions. Your points don't hold and they are foolish and you know it.
Don't worry though, I know you are just giving your unproven opinions that are not taken seriously.
MY GOD IS GOD

Judge that.

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#10546 Dec 29, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
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Jesus is God, He is the I Am.
And yet you totally fell short of Jesus Quest to find Brothers and Sisters,

You fell into worshiping him.

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#10547 Dec 29, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
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Jesus is God, He is the I Am.
Romans Road wrote:
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Jesus is God, He is the I Am.
SO AM I,

And I do not want you guys trying to Crucify me, I as in IAM do not take to it very well.

Jesus came looking for his Brothers and Sisters,

How is it you made his death by "your" hands into a sacrifice god would take?

You think by placing Jesus Upon the Cross, you have Forgiveness?
You think his BLOOD forgives all the other blood you have spilled?

You actually think that by placing Jesus Upon the Cross HIS BLOOD Letting would save you from the Hell you deserve?

Sorry that was a Myth.

What the Blood of Jesus really does is Mark those that are going to HELL.

Oh you were all marked clean, By the Blood of Jesus,
Turns out all this BLOOD of Jesus Stuff was NOT as it was Sold to YOU.

Pre tending the Blood Covered you,

Is not the same as tending the blood is in you.

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#10548 Dec 29, 2012
Well lets look at this,

You get to enter into Heaven because you know Jesus,

Right that is your claim,

You get to enter Because you know Jesus, Right?
An an old black dude in an alley sold you your ticket to enter Heaven.

And you never Met Jesus, and you do not Live as Jesus Instructed to live, and you show up with a ticket the old Black dude gave you, Welcome home.

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#10549 Dec 29, 2012
justawounderin wrote:
Does a rational belief in God have any merit? A belief in God based on reason rather than revelation and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs. This is called Deism and was especially influential in the 17th and 18th centuries in the US & UK. It is a perspective based on reason & knowledge as apposed to religious belief from so called ancient sacred text written by people that thought the earth was flat and that stars could fall to earth.
Sorry dude there is a GOD, MY GOD IS GOD,

I AM

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#10550 Dec 29, 2012
justawounderin wrote:
Does a rational belief in God have any merit? A belief in God based on reason rather than revelation and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs. This is called Deism and was especially influential in the 17th and 18th centuries in the US & UK. It is a perspective based on reason & knowledge as apposed to religious belief from so called ancient sacred text written by people that thought the earth was flat and that stars could fall to earth.
But it has to do with Jesus,

They say Jesus is the IAM.

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#10551 Dec 30, 2012
justawounderin wrote:
Does a rational belief in God have any merit? A belief in God based on reason rather than revelation and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs. This is called Deism and was especially influential in the 17th and 18th centuries in the US & UK. It is a perspective based on reason & knowledge as apposed to religious belief from so called ancient sacred text written by people that thought the earth was flat and that stars could fall to earth.
I am really sorry
that you
Will a Christian answer this rationally?

ended in MY GOD IS GOD.

I did not mean to do that.
My GOD is actually GOD
The tick tick tick stuff is real

I was not trying to do this to your thread.

IF you fight Against GOD you will fall

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#10552 Dec 30, 2012
the perfect idiot wrote:
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Considering that the Crusades 1 2 and 3 all stopped after the Library at Alexandria was Burned.
And Gutenberg is what we call the END of the Dark Ages.
Hmm. is there a connection between the going into the Dark Ages, forbidding people to Read and Be Educated and the Burning of the Library at Alexandria, three Times, which we call the Crusades?
Maybe it is all connected, to the Catholic Church?
The Crusades all ended once word had reached Rome the The Library was on fire.
Well there are many events that caused some sort of paranoia within the Catholic Church; the raise of Islam and the Crusades.
All of that is another story.

The most interesting things to us it the birth of modern ideas about freedom and democracy, and it in many ways started with Jean-Jacques Rousseau and “Madame Guillotine”, with other words the French revolution.

And out of that came new nations like USA.

The idea that all humans are born free and that society creates a world of “prisons” for us depending on the pressure from different groups and institutions was the initial ideas of Rousseau.

Denis Diderot who was the chief editor of a modern scientific work named "Encyclopaedia", knowledge about knowledge and science to the people.
His idea was that religion and priests worked against the vital interests of all humans.
France was of course a highly Catholic country at that time.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#10553 Dec 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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You are demonstrating again you can't tell the difference between fact and fiction. Now you are going to tell me that " Superman/Clark Kent, Batman/Bruce Wane, Spiderman/Peter Parker..." exist. Don't be so foolish. We know these are comic book characters because the author of these books never present them as real history. The gospels on the other hand never present themselves as fictions. Here is what C S Lewis who was an expert on myths said about the gospels: "“All I am in private life is a literary critic and historian, that’s my job. And I am prepared to say on that basis if anyone thinks the Gospels are either legend or novels, then that person is simply showing his incompetence as a literary critic. I’ve read a great many novels and I know a fair amount about the legends that grew up among early people, and I know perfectly well the Gospels are not that kind of stuff”(C.S. Lewis, Christian Reflections, 209)
What will it be? Either you continue your foolishness in asserting the gospels as fictions or you get smart and recognize that they are historical. The choice is yours.
Alexander the Great' first bio was written almost 400 years after his death. He is one of the greatest figures in ancient history and yet we have no eyewitness accounts of him. The gospel accounts on the other hand are written in the life times of the eyewitnesses and they are adequate in demonstrating the Jesus did those things recorded of Him and for a person to put their in Him for eternal life. To reject this, is to condemn yourself.
CS Lewis...an apologist no doubt...but not an expert on Myths. He was a poet, writer and English professor...not an expert on myths.

You want a myth expert, see Joseph Campbell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis#Scho...

scroll down to the Trilemma passage.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#10554 Dec 30, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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I don't think so......God is God and Jesus was just a man.....granted he's known to be the Son of God, but he's not God.......here is something of interest:
Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"
Answer: Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words,“I am God.”
http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
Now, there are lots of scripture that try and make it seem that Jesus and God are one in the same, but there are NO scriptures that state precisely that Jesus "IS GOD"!!!
True, He never used the words "I am God" but He did do things only God could do. The Pharisees understood clearly on a number of occasions He was making claims to be God. For example in John 10:30-33

"30 “I and the Father are one.”
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them,“I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him,“For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#10555 Dec 30, 2012
Punisher wrote:
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CS Lewis...an apologist no doubt...but not an expert on Myths. He was a poet, writer and English professor...not an expert on myths.
You want a myth expert, see Joseph Campbell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis#Scho...
scroll down to the Trilemma passage.
Campbell was a nut job. If historians interpreted the gospels like Campbell did we would think all of history was a myth.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#10556 Dec 30, 2012
John from Texas wrote:
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So What! Jesus was/is not the only one who speaks of such things. I see a bunch of people on TV saying such things.
Why should fear be a motivation factor for me?
You should take Jesus seriously because of Who He was and Who He claimed to be. You should fear because you have sinned and sin leads to judgement and damnation.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#10557 Dec 30, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
Jeff,
you are doing an excellent job of "earnestly contending for the faith" on all these threads. Keep up the great work, your rewards will be eternal once we get to Heaven. Your fellow Christians appreciate what you are doing..
So someones online character antics are enough for You to judge his true faith and his real-life life as righteous?

I have this bridge here...in NYC...really nice bridge, but its for sale...want in?
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#10558 Dec 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Campbell was a nut job. If historians interpreted the gospels like Campbell did we would think all of history was a myth.
Now you're just proving what an idiot you are. Campbell was not a nut job.

So funny how you so easily attack other people YOU do not know. Its just so...so Xtian of you. So typical.

Point is - Lewis was not a Myths expert, not even a myth scholar, as you claimed, er...lied, but Campbell was. Fact is you're a liar, who will say anything about those you favor to support your POV, but are so eager to disparage others when they do not. Just so very Xtian of you.

BTW, Historians as a general group do not interpret the Bible, theologians, priests, etc do that...
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#10559 Dec 30, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Now you're just proving what an idiot you are. Campbell was not a nut job.
So funny how you so easily attack other people YOU do not know. Its just so...so Xtian of you. So typical.
Point is - Lewis was not a Myths expert, not even a myth scholar, as you claimed, er...lied, but Campbell was. Fact is you're a liar, who will say anything about those you favor to support your POV, but are so eager to disparage others when they do not. Just so very Xtian of you.
BTW, Historians as a general group do not interpret the Bible, theologians, priests, etc do that...
He was a nut job. Just look at his conclusions about Christianity. Its riddled with error.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#10560 Dec 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Campbell was a nut job. If historians interpreted the gospels like Campbell did we would think all of history was a myth.
You know what it is with Believers like you and others around here...is a poor command and lazy language usage...you all tend to use words to mean things they are not...

Historians as a general rule are not in the religious interpretation game...but finding historical "artifacts" where they may be, or not be...and then forming a historical reality.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#10561 Dec 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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He was a nut job. Just look at his conclusions about Christianity. Its riddled with error.
No he was not. his dead on points about the Mythical paradigm displayed in the Bible narrative are dead center. It has nothing to do with the Religious beliefs...but the story is one of pure example of the Hero Journey - a long established way to tell a story from the Greeks onward...and in fact in other cultures as well.

Your opinion is nothing but a prejudiced one, that shows how silly and desperate you are...

My real point was to show you who is a Myths experts, so you would know how wrong you were. I really dont give a cr/p about his POV on Xtianity...just that he was an Expert.

My point sticks to you like a lesion. Lewis was NOT a Myths expert as you said. He simply was not, but now all you will do is try and disparage someone else...just like a Xtian. On a Sunday no less....tsk, tsk...

Campbell expert on Myths.

CS Lewis was not.

But you're too arrogant to admit a simple error (intentional or not) on your part. Which is why you're gonna burn. The Devil my inexact friend is in the details. And you are woefully detail deficient and inaccurate...your god is watching you make these errors and accusations...and not having the strength to admit them. Its okay we all know your faith is as weak as most others...
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#10562 Dec 30, 2012
Punisher wrote:
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You know what it is with Believers like you and others around here...is a poor command and lazy language usage...you all tend to use words to mean things they are not...
Historians as a general rule are not in the religious interpretation game...but finding historical "artifacts" where they may be, or not be...and then forming a historical reality.
Duh. Historians study what they think happened in history by looking for facts for events, places and people. The Bible is studies historically.
You are lazy because you don't defend nor articulate what you believe. You are afraid of laying your beliefs on the line so we can scrutinize them. I don't blame you cause we know they would not survive and they would be shown to be myths.

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