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little lamb

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Big Al wrote:
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Your attack on Sigmund Freud is a well-known example of illogical argument known formally as argumentum ad hominem. It is an argument made against a person instead of addressing the statement or argument made by that person. Sigmund Freud was a pioneer in the field of Psychology and Psychoanalysis and much of his work is the basis for our present understanding of and ability to treat mental health disorders.
Ad Hominem: Latin for “attack the man” and is an irrelevant attack on the person or group being debated rather than addressing his/her/its argument.
No its not ..much of what he wrote has been called into question...

I didn't attack him I attacked his philosophy.
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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>You already know the point I am making.
BTW:
Romans:
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
I agree with all the scriptures you quote.
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No its not ..much of what he wrote has been called into question...
I didn't attack him I attacked his philosophy.
Getting back to the subject at hand if you “turned to god in prayer About the worlds despair” and all that happened was that you had a pleasant subjective experience it was probably just your imagination (an illusion).

"I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs." ~ Frederick Douglass, escaped slave

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I understand...God made man in his image..that means within all men is the created law of love...
That is why Jesus died for forgiveness of our sins..because we have ' all fallen short of the glory of god'
the fact is men go against natural Law and kill their mothers and brothers and commit incest with their children...so they do 'sear' their consciences.
But Faith is not Law...Nettie, and that is where you are becoming confused..
guilt is the product of a bad conscience , and is a warning, something is not right..but men can harden their consciences with false reasonings..we are very aware of this.
Yes, Nettie. Romans 1 that you have also quoted before, states of those you claim find God in their own light "..are without excuse..."

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Cisco Kid wrote:
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I have to question Xenophanes' insight on this subject based entirely on experience and observance..
I say Dogs imagine God in the image of mankind.
Now Dogs are not too intellectually distant from horses.
I got a coupla dogs and so do all my neighbors.
Once in awhile a dog will find my workgloves and steal 1, not both, but one glove.
They will also take off with a food bowl.
Now brazening this behavior out, I think they view mankind as their god image.
The stolen glove represents the hand that pets and feeds them and they know for darn sure that purloined food bowl should get filled regular like it did before they stole it.
They now feel 'independent'.
They're imagination of god is a good kind, providing hand and a regular bowl of food, coming from the image of man.
Man is created in the image and likeness of God, so it stands to reason animals understand God looks similar to the way we do.
Syllogistic reasoning wins again.
Are you and "15th Dalai Lama" related, or the same person?

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He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Nettie. Romans 1 that you have also quoted before, states of those you claim find God in their own light "..are without excuse..."
who is a sheep and who is a goat? The bible states that by their fruits we will know them. If they are not producing good fruit, then we should be warry. Is that person setting people free, lightening loads, bringing healing to broken hearts, serving others, and walking in mercy and love or are they judgemental, immature, self worshiping, self glorifying, and spreading offenses?

The parable of the sheep and the goats, btw, is about a righteous man and has nothing to do with belief, but to do with works, which also is our first Judgment..........about works.
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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>who is a sheep and who is a goat? The bible states that by their fruits we will know them. If they are not producing good fruit, then we should be warry. Is that person setting people free, lightening loads, bringing healing to broken hearts, serving others, and walking in mercy and love or are they judgemental, immature, self worshiping, self glorifying, and spreading offenses?
The parable of the sheep and the goats, btw, is about a righteous man and has nothing to do with belief, but to do with works, which also is our first Judgment..........about works.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......hope not, because if so, not a single one of your slave owning relatives or pre-civil rights era relatives will be in heaven. You best pray that it is by the blood of Jesus and not your works. GEEEEEEEEEEPERS.......(sic)
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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Faith tell us more than we could know by reason alone, but it can’t contradict reason. Furthermore, we can use our reason to better understand our faith. In fact, that’s a classic definition of theology: Faith seeking understanding.
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/arent-...
Two sentences and you had to use the Catholic website. Sad. What does it say about homosexuality and that sin?..or abortion or adultery?????? Why again did the RCC kill over 150 million Jews and Christians? Heretics and something about protesters, I do believe.

Also, Nettie, how come the Catholic church is not mentioned as one of the 7 churches, in Revelations????????

Golly, child, not even in the top 7.

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Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......h ope not, because if so, not a single one of your slave owning relatives or pre-civil rights era relatives will be in heaven. You best pray that it is by the blood of Jesus and not your works. GEEEEEEEEEEPERS.......(sic)
No slave owners in my family tree.
In fact, my great grandfathers were farmers and lived outside of the small town they were near.
Out in the country, neighbors helped one another, and yes, both black and white.
It was mostly a barter/trade type help.
Help me build a barn and you will be paid from smokehouse meat, etc.
If one of my great grandfathers helped a neighbor with harvesting/building, etc., the pay was usually material stuff, or a promise for some type of help from them in the future as a payment.

The parable of the sheep and the goats is only about works.

Also,

"So what of the more mature persons who have sinned consciously, but have never heard (and are therefore in no position to accept with explicit faith) the gospel of God&#146;s matchless love for the whole world? May it not be that &#145;God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved&#146; (1 Tim. 2:4), and does not want &#145;anyone to perish&#146; (2 Pet. 3:9), quickens in some men by his Spirit a consciousness of sin and need, and enables them, n the twilight, to cast themselves on his mercy? If so, then they, too, would be saved by the grace of God in Christ alone." ^[8]^

"Those also can attain to everlasting salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and, moved by grace, strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them by the dictates of their conscience." ^[13]^

"God can illuminate whom and when he will, even without the external ministry, which is a thing appertaining to his power." ^[9]^

Billy Graham - "And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven." ^[16]^
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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>No slave owners in my family tree.
In fact, my great grandfathers were farmers and lived outside of the small town they were near.
Excuse me, when I post about slavery, I post about those who supported slavery. I do realize that a lot of southern whites were dirt poor and ignorant, your folks. Your folks supported segregation and white only bathrooms, restaurants and schools.

You suggest that many whites opposed integration, not because they were evil, but because they thought it right. I find that strange, since you declare that opposition to same sex mirages are not formed from a place of simply supporting marriages.

You see, I have no problem with your decision to support same sex mirages, abortion or slavery. I suspect evil to come from evil people. I do have a problem when you started erasing God's word to declare such an evil. I also wonder if your folks were not racist, then how often did they bring black boys to church with them as guest of Jesus and possible Christian suitors for you?

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Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>Two sentences and you had to use the Catholic website. Sad. What does it say about homosexuality and that sin?..or abortion or adultery?????? Why again did the RCC kill over 150 million Jews and Christians? Heretics and something about protesters, I do believe.
Also, Nettie, how come the Catholic church is not mentioned as one of the 7 churches, in Revelations????????
Golly, child, not even in the top 7.
Excellent point! Astounding observation!!!!

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par five wrote:
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What have you got against loving your neighbour and helping the poor? What does it matter if you are of one faith or another, or no faith at all? The fact that you look down your nose at people who do such acts and are not of your faith, just demonstrates how insufferably self righteous you are. You claim that you are throwing a lifeline to people, well given the many examples of how you denigrate others of a different faith or no faith at all, then I for one would not be grabbing any "lifeline" thrown by you. I don't know what it is with you fundies, but you all seem incapable of understanding just how unattractive your message and personalities are to those you claim you are trying to reach. In my opinion you have probably driven more people away from taking up your belief, or made them even more firmly entrenched in their own beliefs. As I have said a few times before, fundie PR sucks!
Sorry you feel that way. You can team up with Pope Francis and those people of "no faith" in searching for truth.

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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>“… as God has dealt to each one a MEASURE OF FAITH …”(Romans 12:3)
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Natural Law
Its essence
In English this term is frequently employed as equivalent to the laws of nature, meaning the order which governs the activities of the material universe. Among the Roman jurists natural law designated those instincts and emotions common to man and the lower animals, such as the instinct of self-preservation and love of offspring. In its strictly ethical application—the sense in which this article treats it—the natural law is the rule of conduct which is prescribed to us by the Creator in the constitution of the nature with which He has endowed us.
According to St. Thomas, the natural law is "nothing else than the rational creature's participation in the eternal law" (I-II.94). The eternal law is God's wisdom, inasmuch as it is the directive norm of all movement and action. When God willed to give existence to creatures, He willed to ordain and direct them to an end. In the case of inanimate things, this Divine direction is provided for in the nature which God has given to each; in them determinism reigns. Like all the rest of creation, man is destined by God to an end, and receives from Him a direction towards this end. This ordination is of a character in harmony with his free intelligent nature. In virtue of his intelligence and free will, man is master of his conduct. Unlike the things of the mere material world he can vary his action, act, or abstain from action, as he pleases. Yet he is not a lawless being in an ordered universe. In the very constitution of his nature, he too has a law laid down for him, reflecting that ordination and direction of all things, which is the eternal law. The rule, then, which God has prescribed for our conduct, is found in our nature itself. Those actions which conform with its tendencies, lead to our destined end, and are thereby constituted right and morally good; those at variance with our nature are wrong and immoral.
- Catholic Encyclopedia on Natural Law
And, this natural law is within every human being, not just Christians.
First, you indirectly call Jesus a liar. Now you are calling Him a fool!? No need for You my Lord Jesus. You wasted your time here on Earth. God has, and is reaching out to us already without You.

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Big Al wrote:
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Getting back to the subject at hand if you “turned to god in prayer About the worlds despair” and all that happened was that you had a pleasant subjective experience it was probably just your imagination (an illusion).
"I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs." ~ Frederick Douglass, escaped slave
What he didn't realize is that it took 20 yrs for GOD to answer his prayers...

GAWD you are easy...
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Big Al wrote:
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Getting back to the subject at hand if you “turned to god in prayer About the worlds despair” and all that happened was that you had a pleasant subjective experience it was probably just your imagination (an illusion).
"I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs." ~ Frederick Douglass, escaped slave
Prayer is an interesting subject..seems the fellow prayed, and eventually acted...

Seeing it is written " god gives us the power to will and to act.'

..but then he took the glory for himself when he did.

.that tells me a lot about the guy, and why it took so long for God to answer, him in the first place...

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Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>Two sentences and you had to use the Catholic website. Sad. What does it say about homosexuality and that sin?..or abortion or adultery?????? Why again did the RCC kill over 150 million Jews and Christians? Heretics and something about protesters, I do believe.
Also, Nettie, how come the Catholic church is not mentioned as one of the 7 churches, in Revelations????????
Golly, child, not even in the top 7.
However, the RCC is mentioned later in Revelations: Chapter 17!

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He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>First, you indirectly call Jesus a liar. Now you are calling Him a fool!? No need for You my Lord Jesus. You wasted your time here on Earth. God has, and is reaching out to us already without You.
Essentially, Jesus offered reparation for the Original Sin committed by Adam. This Original Sin shattered humanity's relationship with our Creator. Because Jesus was True God and True Man, He could reconcile humanity with divinity.
At Baptism, we are forgiven for past and present sins, but not future ones.
As for Justification and Salvation, these two things are an ongoing process for the rest of a Christian's life.
As for any future sins, the Christian is indeed responsible for those; no Christian can sin after Baptism and just expect Jesus to pay for that sin.

Inclusivism is the attitude that Jesus' salvation extends to all people regardless of religion, and this is the position of the current Catholic Church. Jesus is still the focal point of salvation in inclusivism, but the non-Christian is metaphorically drawn into the Catholic Church through "Christian" behavior. The most famous theologian regarding inclusivism was Karl Rahner, who coined the term "anonymous Christians." An anonymous Christian is anyone, for example a Buddhist monk, who may not consider himself to be a Christian but is nonetheless committed to Christian values.- from Catholics vs. Other Religions
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Your reasoning is based on the absurd assumption that “dogs imagine God in the image of mankind”. A syllogism based on an absurd assumption can only produce an absurd conclusion.
Xenophanes was merely making the observation that god concepts (of any culture) are usually based on things familiar to them.
My reasoning is based on factual observance with an inarguable conclusion.
Thus I challenged Xenophanes' statement which is indeed based on an absurd assumption.

Get yo fax straight.
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"With primitive man it is above all fear that evokes religious notions - fear of hunger, wild beasts, sickness, death....the human mind creates illusory beings more or less analogous to itself on whose wills and actions these fearful happenings depend.”- Albert Einstein
Al's supposition was preempted by organized society groups and weapons. It does not apply to anybody beyond the bronze age.
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He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Are you and "15th Dalai Lama" related, or the same person?
We are each unique individuals, brothers in Christ and children of God.
And we both know who you are.....I assure you.
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He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>However, the RCC is mentioned later in Revelations: Chapter 17!
You are correct!

In verse 14 where Jesus the Lamb is conquering those who attack His Catholic Church, we are mentioned in the latter part of Chptr.17,vs.14-

"the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and king of kings,
and those with him are called, chosen, and faithful."

The Catholics are called the chosen and faithful.
Thanks for pointing that out.

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