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The gospel is to be preached to the ends of the Earth, and until that happens, those persons yet to hear are blameless.
They will get their chance to choose.
Just before Christ resurrected himself, he went to Sheol and preached to those who died before and raised those who chose The Way.
Since Jesus is God, surely he knows how to do similarly again.
But keep in mind, there are records indicating the Apostle St. Thomas preached in Persia, Afghanistan thru India and was widely known in both East and West. St. Thomas pushed his missionary journeys as far south as Mylapore, not far from Madras, and there suffered martyrdom.
The Apostle St.Phillip spread the gospel in Africa.
There were Catholic missionaries in China from the early second century.
South America was Christianized in the late 15th century and North America in the early 16th.
Despite what you may have heard, Christ has been preached throughout the World for hundreds to thousands of years.
So you believe and expect me to believe that all those people who lived and died without ever hearing about Yahweh, Jesus, the Bible, heaven or hell went to “Sheol”(not Hell?) and are now waiting for Jesus himself to come and preach the gospel to them so that they can be sent to their final destination for eternity of either heaven or hell. It still doesn’t sound, to me, like something an omnipotent, just “God” would set up.
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Christ being preached around the world brought liberation by many cruel cultural practices...and not just a few as you say..
Feet binding in China..cannibalism in the Solomon Ils ,
Vikings cruel raids were stopped due to converting to Christianity ..slavary was stopped due to Christianity
Christianity influenced care for the sick the out casts and it was Christian thinking that inspired the nursing of the sick and dying in war..
Many tribal customs were based on . Witchcraft and spiritism and cruel tribal customs.
One custom was 'twin-murder'. The tribes thought that twins were a result of a curse caused by an evil spirit who fathered one of the children. Both babies were brutally murdered and the mother was shunned from society
Christianity rescued people from that sh*t that unbelievers would force them back into these evil cultural practices..by trying to make it sound like these cultures were somehow altogether lovely..
You are confusing the missionary zeal with the brutal policies of governments that were out for their own empires..and had nothing to do with Christ..
Youre daft. So foot binding was stopped. What replaced it? More oppression...in a new form. Viking raids? At least when the vikings were spotted offshore the natives knew what they were in for...and sometimes had a real chance...as the Vikings didnt travel thru stone age cultures with modern age weaponry like the European Xtians! And when the vikings settled in foreign lands they assimilated, they didn't force reverse assimilation upon the natives - like Western Xtian! Vikings didnt insist that natives live like vikings. Unlike Western Xtians!

Little, you're simply out of your league, because you are approaching and understanding history, and in this case Xtian history from but a surface inspection. You dont look very deep, preferring to skim the surface - that much is very obvious. You stop at the waters edge.

"Yeah but...yeah but...yeah but"...its all you have.

BTW, I never said let people go back to their primitive pasts, and you'd be hard pressed to find many an atheist who would. Most of us think Xtians ARE living in the past, relying on a disparate book written in pieces and compiled thousands of years ago...of which no original has ever existed! And which no group of believers can agree on!

So why would we want a reverse move to that past? Damn no! We want to move forward and shed the cr/p of that past!

You're daft, and you're entire argument is made-up...sure you can pepper it with a few "facts" (sarcasm)- but the actual theme!?!? Pure daffy!
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Hello Big Al: If I may join in the conversation....I believe God intended (and still intends) that those who have been given Light share it as much as possible. God said that Israel was supposed to "bless the nations" (Gen 12:3 - Galatians 3:8)...primarily as an example (which they messed up) and as a conduit for the Messiah to come (Jesus).
The problem is that Xtians think they are the ONLY ones holding a flashlight, and are in fact deniers of others people even having a flashlight of their own before they (xtians) arrived!?!

When are Xtians going to come to grips with the facts that when the various Bible parts were written the Known World was rather small to what WE know NOW!!!

Its funny to me that when an atheist questions some of the naive parts of the Bible (re; the natural world in most cases) Xtians will rely on the argument that, "Well God and Jesus, they were talking to the knowledge of their audiences. Keeping it simple for simpler folks."

But when it comes to Evangelizing the WORLD - those previous boundaries are now boundless!!!

The Nations! Was the KNOWN Nations! Not unknown nations! Not South America, not the Northern Americas! The edges of the Earth (as Cisco reports in his post) that Xtians were told to preach to - was not the whole planet! It was the known edges! It was the Empire, east and a little West of where the Jews congregated! Where their friends and foes lived. Persia, the northern and southern rims of the Mediterranean...parts of the African coast on the Eastern edges of that continent...

"Oh you know God and Jesus had to keep it real for the people...couldn't blow their minds with too much...couldn't give them too much of geography lesson, or natural sciences...they weren't ready..."

But when you all want to justify Xtianity's aggressive evangelizing off come the restraints - like magic!
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<quoted text>Youre daft. So foot binding was stopped. What replaced it? More oppression...in a new form. Viking raids? At least when the vikings were spotted offshore the natives knew what they were in for...and sometimes had a real chance...as the Vikings didnt travel thru stone age cultures with modern age weaponry like the European Xtians! And when the vikings settled in foreign lands they assimilated, they didn't force reverse assimilation upon the natives - like Western Xtian! Vikings didnt insist that natives live like vikings. Unlike Western Xtians!
Little, you're simply out of your league, because you are approaching and understanding history, and in this case Xtian history from but a surface inspection. You dont look very deep, preferring to skim the surface - that much is very obvious. You stop at the waters edge.
"Yeah but...yeah but...yeah but"...its all you have.
BTW, I never said let people go back to their primitive pasts, and you'd be hard pressed to find many an atheist who would. Most of us think Xtians ARE living in the past, relying on a disparate book written in pieces and compiled thousands of years ago...of which no original has ever existed! And which no group of believers can agree on!
So why would we want a reverse move to that past? Damn no! We want to move forward and shed the cr/p of that past!
You're daft, and you're entire argument is made-up...sure you can pepper it with a few "facts" (sarcasm)- but the actual theme!?!? Pure daffy!
firstly I am writing to encourage other Christians who read your rants..and encourage them to praise God that his light of Christ has put an end to many evil customs...

Now I would like to encourage the faith in Christians on some of the things that have been inspired by Christian thinking...

If Christ had not come into the world..darkness would engulf it...because progress comes from love in a human heart toward others....

Also there is forgiveness by Christ pouring out his blood for us...

This love teaches us , to do for others as we would have them do for us...Confucius believed 'don't do to others what you don't want them to do for you'...but Jesus teaches us to take the initiative....

This has led to men being concerned about working conditions and wages , that big bosses pay their workers...we just have to look in India where that building collapsed just recently ..to see how the rich oppress the poor , if the consciences of men, are not enlightened by the gospel

The trade unions were first started because of Christian concerns for working men

Also it was Christian thinking , that decided that there were only so many hours in a day..and to limit the hours of work so that bosses did not work people to death.

it was Christian thinking, that protested the practice of sending young children to work in minds and factories..as you can see in non Christian countries this practice still goes on..

This fellow here reaps the benefits that Christians have had to FIGHT for..and uses these freedoms to bring us all back into darkness...into oppression by the rich over the poor...
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<quoted text>The problem is that Xtians think they are the ONLY ones holding a flashlight, and are in fact deniers of others people even having a flashlight of their own before they (xtians) arrived!?!
When are Xtians going to come to grips with the facts that when the various Bible parts were written the Known World was rather small to what WE know NOW!!!
Its funny to me that when an atheist questions some of the naive parts of the Bible (re; the natural world in most cases) Xtians will rely on the argument that, "Well God and Jesus, they were talking to the knowledge of their audiences. Keeping it simple for simpler folks."
But when it comes to Evangelizing the WORLD - those previous boundaries are now boundless!!!
The Nations! Was the KNOWN Nations! Not unknown nations! Not South America, not the Northern Americas! The edges of the Earth (as Cisco reports in his post) that Xtians were told to preach to - was not the whole planet! It was the known edges! It was the Empire, east and a little West of where the Jews congregated! Where their friends and foes lived. Persia, the northern and southern rims of the Mediterranean...parts of the African coast on the Eastern edges of that continent...
"Oh you know God and Jesus had to keep it real for the people...couldn't blow their minds with too much...couldn't give them too much of geography lesson, or natural sciences...they weren't ready..."
But when you all want to justify Xtianity's aggressive evangelizing off come the restraints - like magic!
Christians are the light..because the works of darkness are only interested in their freedom to practice sin...whereas a Christian is interested in the welfare of others..sin produces sickness and death and Christs light produces health and happiness.

The freedom these guys want is just to be able to fornicate willy nilly..and just a quick look at venereal diseases and the horrendous damage they inflict should make one take notice

Their answer is to use science specifically for their use , to find ways to keep practicing sin..and use science to cover their tails..they use science to find cures for AIDS and for prolonging life so they can keep indulging in sin...they don't care the innocent suffer from their actions..they salve their conscience , with the thinking well science will take care of them

They take money and resources away from use for children and the needy for private use for their indulgence.
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So you believe and expect me to believe that all those people who lived and died without ever hearing about Yahweh, Jesus, the Bible, heaven or hell went to “Sheol”(not Hell?) and are now waiting for Jesus himself to come and preach the gospel to them so that they can be sent to their final destination for eternity of either heaven or hell.

It still doesn’t sound, to me, like something an omnipotent, just “God” would set up.
Yes.
Isn't God wonderful, patient, kind and forgiving?
Our God is a God of love.

If it don't sound like something you know, maybe you gotta recheck what you know.
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Yes.
Isn't God wonderful, patient, kind and forgiving?
Our God is a God of love.
If it don't sound like something you know, maybe you gotta recheck what you know.
Love your post Cisco...'god inhabits the praises of Israel'

To answer the atheist with praises to God..is the way to go

Hallelujah....
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Love your post Cisco...'god inhabits the praises of Israel'
To answer the atheist with praises to God..is the way to go
Hallelujah....
Thank you.

"Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love."
1John 4:8

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Yes.
Isn't God wonderful, patient, kind and forgiving?
Our God is a God of love.
If it don't sound like something you know, maybe you gotta recheck what you know.
How wonderful and forgiving would you think your “God” is if you happened to be one of those who (through no fault of their own) never heard of Yahweh, Jesus, the Bible, heaven or hell sitting in “Sheol” waiting for Jesus to come and preach the gospel?

I’m sorry but your “God” doesn’t sound very patient, kind, and forgiving to me “He” sounds more impetuous, indifferent and vindictive to me.

Believing in your “God” makes no more sense to me than believing in Zeus does to you.
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How wonderful and forgiving would you think your “God” is if you happened to be one of those who (through no fault of their own) never heard of Yahweh, Jesus, the Bible, heaven or hell sitting in “Sheol” waiting for Jesus to come and preach the gospel?
I’m sorry but your “God” doesn’t sound very patient, kind, and forgiving to me “He” sounds more impetuous, indifferent and vindictive to me.
Believing in your “God” makes no more sense to me than believing in Zeus does to you.
We are told ' today is the day of salvation, today is the day to be saved'

God has a day in which Jesus is going to judge the living and the dead...and if you have any knowledge of the character of Jesus..and his love for humanity..you can trust him to judge fairly....

So today is not the day of judgment...so why have you got everyone lined up judged already....

we are told ' not to judge before the due time...we are to warn at the moment and preach the salvation message ..that there is forgiveness and reconciliation in the name of JESUS.
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We are told ' today is the day of salvation, today is the day to be saved'
God has a day in which Jesus is going to judge the living and the dead...and if you have any knowledge of the character of Jesus..and his love for humanity..you can trust him to judge fairly....
So today is not the day of judgment...so why have you got everyone lined up judged already....
we are told ' not to judge before the due time...we are to warn at the moment and preach the salvation message ..that there is forgiveness and reconciliation in the name of JESUS.
Don’t you believe that your “God” is omniscient and already knows everyone’s final outcome?

Making those who (through no fault of their own) never heard of Yahweh, Jesus, the Bible, heaven or hell sit in “Sheol” awaiting their final, eternal outcome for thousands of years seems intentionally cruel to me.
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Thank you.
"Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love."
1John 4:8
Dominus vobiscum
Amen!
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We are told ' today is the day of salvation, today is the day to be saved'
God has a day in which Jesus is going to judge the living and the dead...and if you have any knowledge of the character of Jesus..and his love for humanity..you can trust him to judge fairly....
So today is not the day of judgment...so why have you got everyone lined up judged already....
we are told ' not to judge before the due time...we are to warn at the moment and preach the salvation message ..that there is forgiveness and reconciliation in the name of JESUS.
Do you believe Jesus is God?

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Don’t you believe that your “God” is omniscient and already knows everyone’s final outcome?
Making those who (through no fault of their own) never heard of Yahweh, Jesus, the Bible, heaven or hell sit in “Sheol” awaiting their final, eternal outcome for thousands of years seems intentionally cruel to me.
Hello again Al: I believe God has chosen to allow the "outcome" to be decided by us but He clearly has defined the boundaries of where our choices will lead us (as Creator - this is His "right"). He knows the outcome of every single decision you and I will ever make (omniscient) but has a perfect outcome in mind (sovereignty) and works to help us "see" it (grace) and then bring us to transformation from within (some call that sanctification).

Your concern for those who have never heard (due to culture, upbringing etc) is noble and I will honor it by telling you that God does not hold us accountable for things we could never have known....He only holds us accountable for that which can be known either by His revealing it to us or by our observation, listening or simply paying attention. The doctrine of "Sheol" is not shared by all Christians.

But the bottom line, Al, is that trying to make sense of something infinite with a finite mind is always frustrating. It's still worthy of time and effort because it's a beginning, but in the end I believe we need the supernatural help of a loving God to bring us into some sort of spiritual understanding. That is not a cop out as I truly believe this and want to validate that the journey can be frustrating - but it's worth it.
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Hello again Al: I believe God has chosen to allow the "outcome" to be decided by us but He clearly has defined the boundaries of where our choices will lead us (as Creator - this is His "right"). He knows the outcome of every single decision you and I will ever make (omniscient) but has a perfect outcome in mind (sovereignty) and works to help us "see" it (grace) and then bring us to transformation from within (some call that sanctification).
Your concern for those who have never heard (due to culture, upbringing etc) is noble and I will honor it by telling you that God does not hold us accountable for things we could never have known....He only holds us accountable for that which can be known either by His revealing it to us or by our observation, listening or simply paying attention. The doctrine of "Sheol" is not shared by all Christians.
Which brings up the old problem demonstrated by this quote…

"An Inuit hunter asked the local missionary priest:'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?''No,' said the priest,'not if you did not know.''Then why,' asked the Inuit earnestly,'did you tell me?'" - Annie Dillard
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But the bottom line, Al, is that trying to make sense of something infinite with a finite mind is always frustrating.
That is exactly my point! It’s more than frustrating it’s impossible. Believers of all faiths presume to know about things that their ordinary human minds could not possibly understand. Galileo said…

“The difficulties in the study of the infinite arise because we attempt, with our finite minds, to discuss the infinite, assigning to it those properties which we give to the finite and limited; but this ... is wrong, for we cannot speak of infinite...”

However he also said…

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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It's still worthy of time and effort because it's a beginning, but in the end I believe we need the supernatural help of a loving God to bring us into some sort of spiritual understanding. That is not a cop out as I truly believe this and want to validate that the journey can be frustrating - but it's worth it.
The problem is that many people throughout history have sought the help of a supernatural “God” in order to come to an understanding of their being, and what they did was invent an imaginary supernatural being with all sorts of ordinary human qualities. Zeus and the Elysian Fields may have given people the illusion of understanding the nature of their being but we all know that it was just an illusion.

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge." - Albert Einstein

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Which brings up the old problem demonstrated by this quote…
"An Inuit hunter asked the local missionary priest:'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?''No,' said the priest,'not if you did not know.''Then why,' asked the Inuit earnestly,'did you tell me?'" - Annie Dillard
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That is exactly my point! It’s more than frustrating it’s impossible. Believers of all faiths presume to know about things that their ordinary human minds could not possibly understand. Galileo said…
“The difficulties in the study of the infinite arise because we attempt, with our finite minds, to discuss the infinite, assigning to it those properties which we give to the finite and limited; but this ... is wrong, for we cannot speak of infinite...”
However he also said…
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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The problem is that many people throughout history have sought the help of a supernatural “God” in order to come to an understanding of their being, and what they did was invent an imaginary supernatural being with all sorts of ordinary human qualities. Zeus and the Elysian Fields may have given people the illusion of understanding the nature of their being but we all know that it was just an illusion.
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge." - Albert Einstein
Hi Al: I had a very astute friend say something similar to me (Inuit hunter story)...wondering why it matters if someone waits until the last minute or not at all to begin a relationship with Jesus Christ if God is gracious to consider what we do and do not know. I told her that the time lost matters because we lose the adventure of getting to know Him, as it is truly an adventure. Religion can be boring and lifeless, but a relationship with God is not. Yes, many have made up ideas about God...for their own reasons. But if there is a God (and obviously I believe there is), and He wants to be known (and again I believe He does), then the journey of discovery is worthwhile but will need His help. Every relationship requires participation of both parties and I believe God is ready to "participate" with each of us who are willing to venture out to discover. I don't believe He asks that we leave our brains out of it - and believe rational knowledge is important in the journey. As a sailor, I like to think of rational knowledge as the keel bringing stability. But the danger is the assumption that we already know all there is to know about something...that we have already discovered all there is to know about how things work, and settle on a "rational" decision but without all the information. It's too easy to just assume others are correct in their discoveries without analyzing them ourselves. For instance, opening our minds and hearts to the possibility of a God who wants to be known would be an example of not allowing limitations to the journey...not assuming I already know for certain. Looking at old arguments with fresh eyes and perhaps seeing things from another perspective is another example.

At least that is how my journey began. Thanks for listening.
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<quoted text>Next time some one says to you what does it matter if they wait until the end of their life to know God, tell them this: Would you wait until you were dying to see your child for the first time, to meet your parents and put off marrying the love of your life until then.
Sounds silly when you think about it. But, the comparisons do not even come close to God. I also wonder how many people born mentally ill would put off being cured until the hour they were about to die. It would be an hour of regret "All my life I could have been happy and joyous, bugt I choice misery and gloom."
Good points.
Sadly, some people waiting till the twelve o'clock hour of their life to come to God, die at 11:00.

Don't put off till tomorrow what you should do today.
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Hi Al: I had a very astute friend say something similar to me (Inuit hunter story)...wondering why it matters if someone waits until the last minute or not at all to begin a relationship with Jesus Christ if God is gracious to consider what we do and do not know.[/QUTOE]
I think you missed the point of the Inuit story. The Inuit was wondering why if “God” would not punish him for his sins and lack of belief if no one ever told him about these things why the missionary would put him in danger of eternal punishment by telling him about these things. I has nothing to do with waiting until the last minute.
[QUOTE who="Stedfast"]I told her that the time lost matters because we lose the adventure of getting to know Him, as it is truly an adventure. Religion can be boring and lifeless, but a relationship with God is not.
I think the idea that an ordinary human being can have a personal relationship with a being capable of creating this universe is the height of human arrogance and flagrantly ludicrous. The distance between the nature of a flea and that of a human being would (in my mind) have to be much less than the distance between a human being and a being capable of creating this universe. Have a little humility.
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Yes, many have made up ideas about God...for their own reasons. But if there is a God (and obviously I believe there is), and He wants to be known (and again I believe He does), then the journey of discovery is worthwhile but will need His help. Every relationship requires participation of both parties and I believe God is ready to "participate" with each of us who are willing to venture out to discover.
If there is an omnipotent “God” who feels a need to be known by “His” creations “He” would surely be able to make an unambiguous personal appearance to each and every one of “His” creations individually would “He” not?

Choosing to expose “Himself” to a relatively small group of people in the Middle East when “He” expects all of humanity to know and believe in “Him” under penalty of eternal damnation is completely irrational. People who do not know about your “God” cannot be expected to have any type of relationship with “Him” let alone a personal one.

“A thing which everybody is required to believe, requires that the proof and evidence of it should be equal to all, and universal… Had the news of salvation by Jesus Christ been inscribed on the face of the sun and the moon, in characters that all nations would have understood, the whole earth had known it in twenty-four hours, and all nations would have believed it…”- Thomas Paine
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I don't believe He asks that we leave our brains out of it - and believe rational knowledge is important in the journey. As a sailor, I like to think of rational knowledge as the keel bringing stability. But the danger is the assumption that we already know all there is to know about something...that we have already discovered all there is to know about how things work, and settle on a "rational" decision but without all the information.
The situation for Albert Einstein, an agnostic, or Thomas Paine, a Deist, is exactly the opposite of what you describe. No rational thinker has ever claimed to “have already discovered all there is to know about how things work”. Only religious people claim to have the discovered ultimate, unchangeable truth through the revelation of their holy books.

"Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?”- Carl Sagan
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It's too easy to just assume others are correct in their discoveries without analyzing them ourselves. For instance, opening our minds and hearts to the possibility of a God who wants to be known would be an example of not allowing limitations to the journey...not assuming I already know for certain. Looking at old arguments with fresh eyes and perhaps seeing things from another perspective is another example.
At least that is how my journey began. Thanks for listening.
My journey began very early in life; I was a cradle Christian. I was taught and believed pretty much everything that you believe until some difficult circumstances in my life caused me to start seriously questioning those beliefs. I found that they could not stand up to rational inquiry and had to be accepted on faith and faith only just like Zeus, Thor or Amun Ra.

"If faith cannot be reconciled with rational thinking, it has to be eliminated as an anachronistic remnant of earlier stages of culture and replaced by science dealing with facts and theories which are intelligible and can be validated." - Erich Fromm
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Which brings up the old problem demonstrated by this quote…
"An Inuit hunter asked the local missionary priest:'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?''No,' said the priest,'not if you did not know.''Then why,' asked the Inuit earnestly,'did you tell me?'" - Annie Dillard
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Like to respond to this..from my own walk with God

God teaches us to benefit ourselves and others..because knowing God is about LOVING..

Its something I learned as a new Christian..that people irritated me..annoyed me, and took advantage of me because I was supposed to be some sort of smuck..

Its when I tried to be loving and kind, that I found i could not sustain it..and it was at that point when I cried out to god ' that I was not as loving as i thought I was"

that he said " Are you now ready for me to take over and teach you"

and I surrendered to God.

Now what he teaches us..is how to handle situations and relationships and other people...

So that inuit..may have learned a few skills we all lack...

with our families with other people..

to not like to see pain in another's eyes because of our actions.

To LOVE..I don't believe we can LOVE without god

because Love is the laws fulfillment..and selfishness makes men greedy and they don't care how their actions hurt others.

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