"Chechnyan" suspects...
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#406 May 11, 2013
Is little lamb a child?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#407 May 11, 2013
nc resident wrote:
Is little lamb a child?
I suspect so.
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#408 May 11, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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'This means everlasting life to take in knowledge of you the only true God and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ'

2. becoming introvert and self absorbed actually contributes to mental sickness...focusing on your navel doesn't accomplish anything
2.
Man, you sure do spout random nonsense. Self-reflection and contemplation is a very BIG part of all Religions, including Xtianity. The problem is that Xtianity has been avoiding it for centuries. Self-reflection/contemplation and self-work (perhaps the most important aspect) is not what is preached, what is - is finger-pointing. Its the first and the most important lesson. Claim salvation, then immediately go out and point fingers at others you deem sinful!
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#409 May 11, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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You are very confused and ignorant. Introvert does not mean self absorbed at all. Jesus often spent time alone to pray and recharge.
Fasting, meditating are positive steps to becoming open to God's will. Self examination rather than searching for fault/sin in others will help you find God. I pray someday you open yourself up to God's loving mercy and learn to treat your fellow man accordingly.
Xtians like Little lambsie will never get-it. As they treat others like they treat themselves, poorly. The whole idea about treating others like you would yourself, or wish to be treated - is hinged on a person actually treating themselves well, and/or believing they deserve to be treated well. Which we know is not the case with most people who dont deal with their Self-esteem issues.

Until people come to terms with their SELF issues they will never treat others properly...and rarely seek those who treat them properly...its a vicious, repeating cycle. If you dont truly love and respect yourself, you wont love-respect others...you will seek to attack others...as you do yourself...

Which is the life-blood of modern Xtianity. Especially here in the US. Self-realization and deep contemplation are anathema to American Xtianity. As is real self-work. Its more an off-the-shelf system that gives people a system self-excuse, and supports the attack of others.

"I am right with God because I see you and call you a sinner!" It should be their bumper-sticker.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#410 May 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Xtians like Little lambsie will never get-it. As they treat others like they treat themselves, poorly. The whole idea about treating others like you would yourself, or wish to be treated - is hinged on a person actually treating themselves well, and/or believing they deserve to be treated well. Which we know is not the case with most people who dont deal with their Self-esteem issues.
Until people come to terms with their SELF issues they will never treat others properly...and rarely seek those who treat them properly...its a vicious, repeating cycle. If you dont truly love and respect yourself, you wont love-respect others...you will seek to attack others...as you do yourself...
Which is the life-blood of modern Xtianity. Especially here in the US. Self-realization and deep contemplation are anathema to American Xtianity. As is real self-work. Its more an off-the-shelf system that gives people a system self-excuse, and supports the attack of others.
"I am right with God because I see you and call you a sinner!" It should be their bumper-sticker.
Very insightful of you, Punisher!
Thank you for posting this one.
I have learned something else from you.
I never really thought of this subject this way.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#411 May 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Xtians like Little lambsie will never get-it. As they treat others like they treat themselves, poorly. The whole idea about treating others like you would yourself, or wish to be treated - is hinged on a person actually treating themselves well, and/or believing they deserve to be treated well. Which we know is not the case with most people who dont deal with their Self-esteem issues.
Until people come to terms with their SELF issues they will never treat others properly...and rarely seek those who treat them properly...its a vicious, repeating cycle. If you dont truly love and respect yourself, you wont love-respect others...you will seek to attack others...as you do yourself...
Which is the life-blood of modern Xtianity. Especially here in the US. Self-realization and deep contemplation are anathema to American Xtianity. As is real self-work. Its more an off-the-shelf system that gives people a system self-excuse, and supports the attack of others.
"I am right with God because I see you and call you a sinner!" It should be their bumper-sticker.
I am a firm believer that each one of us is in control of our destiny and we can choose to live how we like.
You desire grumpy-you get grumpy, you desire happy-you get happy, you desire independence-you get independence, expect suffering-you get suffering; seek success-you get success.
It's all a matter of controlling your Chi', spirit or life essence, just as Jesus was trying to tell us.
Seek and you shall find.
No church outside of Catholicism is close to espousing or endorsing that concept.
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#412 May 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I am a firm believer that each one of us is in control of our destiny and we can choose to live how we like.
You desire grumpy-you get grumpy, you desire happy-you get happy, you desire independence-you get independence, expect suffering-you get suffering; seek success-you get success.
It's all a matter of controlling your Chi', spirit or life essence, just as Jesus was trying to tell us.
Seek and you shall find.
No church outside of Catholicism is close to espousing or endorsing that concept.
We have the “possibility” to control our destiny to some degree. There of course are many things that happen to us during our lifetime which are beyond our control. Control implies “choice”. If you have no choice you have no control.

If you were born in Saudi Arabia you might read the Quran every day out of habit instilled during childhood rather than a conscious choice. A large percentage of the things we do are simply habits acquired in our developing years rather than deliberate choices. How much control we really do have depends on how many choices we give ourselves?

“It is impossible to exercise free will as long as we are operating from within the system. Free will requires consciousness, and our pervasive and deep-seated patterns of thought are unconscious; they are outside of our awareness and therefore outside of our control.”- Melanie Joy, Ph.D. Harvard, professor of psychology and sociology at the University of Massachusetts, Boston
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#413 May 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I am a firm believer that each one of us is in control of our destiny and we can choose to live how we like.
You desire grumpy-you get grumpy, you desire happy-you get happy, you desire independence-you get independence, expect suffering-you get suffering; seek success-you get success.
It's all a matter of controlling your Chi', spirit or life essence, just as Jesus was trying to tell us.
Seek and you shall find.
No church outside of Catholicism is close to espousing or endorsing that concept.
I agree to a point. Because the point, or rather the line where self-determination ends is where opportunity and having real choices starts.

I think its time for Americans to come to grips with the fact that we have a quasi-class system in this country. Economics is the most obvious aspect of it. If you're poor and in most cases non-Caucasian, but not always - you start at a disadvantage.

I was lucky being born male, white and middle-class - when the middle counted for something - and as such I had more opportunity and choices than did others. I was exposed to more opportunity than others of differing social demographics. I certainly didn't get the same as those born above me in wealth and class. But at least for me there was ample opportunity and exposure to real choices than those in the lower classes.

Do many people from those lower classes rise above? Yes, but the effort they have to make compared to me, others, etc is enough to hold many others back. Not everyone has that sort of drive to and they shouldnt have to...people with average drive should be able and capable of achieving more than sustenance.

Drive and all that boot-strap pulling stuff is fine to discuss and certainly needs to be part of the dialogue - but when some peoples and groups have to make a gargantuan pull of their boot straps just to survive, while others need only tug a little, and make greater strides - that's where the real problem lies. Effort should not be so skewed to favor the wealthy, and lucky to be born on the right side of the tracks populations.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with a struggle in ones life, its when two people make an equal effort and one makes more gains than the other for no other reason than birth and the luck of class positioning...their more favorable start-line positioning.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#414 May 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I am a firm believer that each one of us is in control of our destiny and we can choose to live how we like.
You desire grumpy-you get grumpy, you desire happy-you get happy, you desire independence-you get independence, expect suffering-you get suffering; seek success-you get success.
It's all a matter of controlling your Chi', spirit or life essence, just as Jesus was trying to tell us.
Seek and you shall find.
No church outside of Catholicism is close to espousing or endorsing that concept.
Have to say I agree with your assessment of the RCC in this case. But its a difficult thing to measure and grade...and its certainly overshadowed by the crimes of the RCC "Organization".
little lamb

Australia

#415 May 12, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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2.
Man, you sure do spout random nonsense. Self-reflection and contemplation is a very BIG part of all Religions, including Xtianity. The problem is that Xtianity has been avoiding it for centuries. Self-reflection/contemplation and self-work (perhaps the most important aspect) is not what is preached, what is - is finger-pointing. Its the first and the most important lesson. Claim salvation, then immediately go out and point fingers at others you deem sinful!
reflection and meditation on Gods word

But not on SELF..SELF has to DIE.
little lamb

Australia

#416 May 12, 2013
nc resident wrote:
Is little lamb a child?
Yep...a child of God, through faith in Jesus Christ..
little lamb

Australia

#417 May 12, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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We have the “possibility” to control our destiny to some degree. There of course are many things that happen to us during our lifetime which are beyond our control. Control implies “choice”. If you have no choice you have no control.
If you were born in Saudi Arabia you might read the Quran every day out of habit instilled during childhood rather than a conscious choice. A large percentage of the things we do are simply habits acquired in our developing years rather than deliberate choices. How much control we really do have depends on how many choices we give ourselves?
“It is impossible to exercise free will as long as we are operating from within the system. Free will requires consciousness, and our pervasive and deep-seated patterns of thought are unconscious; they are outside of our awareness and therefore outside of our control.”- Melanie Joy, Ph.D. Harvard, professor of psychology and sociology at the University of Massachusetts, Boston
That is why scripture says ' The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."

Because he controls all the 'systems'

So you are right that people can be a product of their environment..

But God can crash right through the environment..because a Christian who is born of spirit..is chosen OUT OF THE WORD [SYSTEMS]

The word is preached in all the inhabited earth...and all have heard it..but many persecuted Christians.. in Japan they were crucified.... in the middle east the nestorians were killed...yep the opportunity to respond to the gospels...has been world wide
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#418 May 13, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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That is why scripture says ' The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."
Because he controls all the 'systems'
So you are right that people can be a product of their environment..
But God can crash right through the environment..because a Christian who is born of spirit..is chosen OUT OF THE WORD [SYSTEMS]
The word is preached in all the inhabited earth...and all have heard it..but many persecuted Christians.. in Japan they were crucified.... in the middle east the nestorians were killed...yep the opportunity to respond to the gospels...has been world wide
Millions upon millions of people throughout the world and throughout history have lived and died believing in Ammon Ra, Thor, Zeus, Siva, Bundjalung, etc. never having heard of Yahweh, Jesus, the atonement or heaven or hell. If your “God” is omnipotent I would think “He” could have done a better and more equitable job of spreading “His” word if it must be believed in order to get to heaven.

Even today people that are raised in different belief systems that would seemingly be at a great disadvantage for salvation. No one gets to choose the circumstances into which they are born.
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#419 May 13, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Yep...a child of God, through faith in Jesus Christ..
I don't see faith. I see doubt in all your posts. As though you believe God can not/will not save anyone without your approval. Either you are very young or poe. You lack humanity, your replies are robotic, brainwashed.
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#420 May 13, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Have to say I agree with your assessment of the RCC in this case. But its a difficult thing to measure and grade...and its certainly overshadowed by the crimes of the RCC "Organization".
Ever read Foxe's Book of Martyrs?" Chilling! One the RCC does not want publicized.
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#421 May 13, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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That is why scripture says ' The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."
Because he controls all the 'systems'
So you are right that people can be a product of their environment..
But God can crash right through the environment..because a Christian who is born of spirit..is chosen OUT OF THE WORD [SYSTEMS]
The word is preached in all the inhabited earth...and all have heard it..but many persecuted Christians.. in Japan they were crucified.... in the middle east the nestorians were killed...yep the opportunity to respond to the gospels...has been world wide
Yes. And I found a missionary in Greenland - Christopher Shull. He is the first independent Baptist to ever set up a church on that rugged island. Prior to that, the natives only had the watered down versions of Christianity. They believed they were saved when they got baptized at birth, because it is the law of the land. The Gospel must be published among all nations before the Lord comes.
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#422 May 13, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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I don't see faith. I see doubt in all your posts. As though you believe God can not/will not save anyone without your approval. Either you are very young or poe. You lack humanity, your replies are robotic, brainwashed.
Nay, they are right on target, lost one. www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#423 May 13, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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reflection and meditation on Gods word
But not on SELF..SELF has to DIE.
Why does this God want my Self to die? Whats the point? He ends up with a zombie, a shell of a man (or a woma as the case may be) and nothing unique and special.

Show us this "Kill the Self" theology and doctrine..?

I get the feeling that way too many American Xtians desire to be humming zombies with an empty head. I mean really want to be an empty shell...lose their uniqueness so not to have to worry about much...
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#424 May 13, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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That is why scripture says ' The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."
Because he controls all the 'systems'
So you are right that people can be a product of their environment..
But God can crash right through the environment..because a Christian who is born of spirit..is chosen OUT OF THE WORD [SYSTEMS]
The word is preached in all the inhabited earth...and all have heard it..but many persecuted Christians.. in Japan they were crucified.... in the middle east the nestorians were killed...yep the opportunity to respond to the gospels...has been world wide
Right your God handed over this planet to a demon. And now cant get it back under his control...unless everyone aligns to Xtianity. And even then he cant really get it back as his. He has to come back, toss people around into lakes of fire, pools of boiling oil, etc, etc...destroy life as we know it...and then he gets it back. But then who cares?
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#425 May 13, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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That is why scripture says ' The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."
Because he controls all the 'systems'
So you are right that people can be a product of their environment..
But God can crash right through the environment..because a Christian who is born of spirit..is chosen OUT OF THE WORD [SYSTEMS]
The word is preached in all the inhabited earth...and all have heard it..but many persecuted Christians.. in Japan they were crucified.... in the middle east the nestorians were killed...yep the opportunity to respond to the gospels...has been world wide
And the main reason why Xtianity is rejected? Because its always been from a Western POV that typically demands the newly exposed culture to abandon their culture for that of the West. Xtianity has never been preached without extreme social and economic conditions that usually serve the West's interests.

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