"Chechnyan" suspects...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#21 Apr 22, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Then you can't use Christianity, as an excuse for their crimes..because it was more political and nationalistic, that led them to crime.
So politics and nationalism are just as much ideologies as Christianity and Islamic's... these are just men who leave God out of their endeavors,,,glad you straightened that up.
Because Islamics in their crime don't leave their God out , they do what they do because of their god.
Where did I say I was using Christianity as an excuse for their crimes? Certainly religious bigotry played a large part in fuelling the conflict, but this bigotry was an us and them bigotry from people who paid lip service to religion but would have trouble naming the first three books of the NT. It is also the kind of bigotry displayed here on Topix by the fundies with their hatred of Catholicism and atheists and gays.
Loyalist paramilitary murals often displayed a heavily armed masked man with the slogan "For God and Ulster". They used religion to appeal to the baser instincts of their followers, but I never considered them Christian.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#22 Apr 22, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
From your foul book the sura...
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them. 5:51
Then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war…9:5
Fight those who do not believe in Allah … until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. 9:29
Whilst there is no denying that Islam's holy books contain what you have said, I have read many posts from fundies right here on Topix where they have said that they should not mix with non believers. Not unlike the instructions in the first verse you quoted, and if you believe the bible, your god has already demonstrated an ability order his followers to slaughter all those who do not believe in him, much like the second verse you quoted.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#23 Apr 22, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad are His Messengers.
As-Salaam Alaikum/Shalom Aleichem/Peace be unto you.
I just wanted to say that though I have converted from being a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to being a follower of the Prophet Noah (pbuh)(I have converted to Sabianism,) I hope that the American media's contention that the Boston bombing suspects are "Chechnyan" (which is a Muslim country) WILL BE ABLE TO BE PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW AND WILL NOT JUST BE A MEDIA CONTENTION!!!
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
You cant lump 3-4 nutcases and judge 2 billion people over those individuals actions and I get where you are coming from that the media lumps all Muslims up and evil people.
BUT, when there is a awful event done in the name of Allah, the supposed good Muslims never speak out condemning the actions of the bad Muslims and just sit quietly by. When a crazy supposed Christian does something in the name of God, good Christians speak out and clearly say they are not a real Christian and their actions dont match that of Christ.
Until you start seeing "Good" Muslims come out and speak out against the radical Islams extremist, they will always have that reputation.
So All Christians and Muslims arent evil, but Christians stand up and speak out against violent attack while Muslims are silent.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#24 Apr 22, 2013
Ant wrote:
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BUT, when there is a awful event done in the name of Allah, the supposed good Muslims never speak out condemning the actions of the bad Muslims and just sit quietly by.
Bullsh-t, what an ignorant remark! Even FOX News wouldn't make that claim.

"Moderate Muslims Speak Out"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131580,00...

And there are many, many more examples. Happy reading, bigot.

"Moderate Muslims show courage speaking out against extremists"
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/25/moderate...

"Thomas L. Friedman / Moderate Muslims speak up"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/p...

"Moderate Muslims Speak Out on Capitol Hill"
http://www.investigativeproject.org/2217/mode...

"Moderate Muslim Speaks Out Against Extremists: Reply To NPR Guests"

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#25 Apr 22, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
You cant lump 3-4 nutcases and judge 2 billion people over those individuals actions and I get where you are coming from that the media lumps all Muslims up and evil people.
BUT, when there is a awful event done in the name of Allah, the supposed good Muslims never speak out condemning the actions of the bad Muslims and just sit quietly by. When a crazy supposed Christian does something in the name of God, good Christians speak out and clearly say they are not a real Christian and their actions dont match that of Christ.
Until you start seeing "Good" Muslims come out and speak out against the radical Islams extremist, they will always have that reputation.
So All Christians and Muslims arent evil, but Christians stand up and speak out against violent attack while Muslims are silent.
Well here is a brave young Muslim girl who spoke out against the Taliban in her fight to get all young girls an education and almost paid for it with her life.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#26 Apr 22, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
Well here is a brave young Muslim girl who spoke out against the Taliban in her fight to get all young girls an education and almost paid for it with her life.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai
The two Boston Bombers did the dirty deed because of Islam.

It has been admitted by the younger bozo in captivity.

Islam promotes murder.

"AP: MOTIVATED BY RELIGION

Apr 22, 11:36 PM EDT
Boston bomb suspect charged; religious motive seen

BOSTON (AP)-- The two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon appear to have been motivated by a radical brand of Islam but do not seem connected to any Muslim terrorist groups, U.S. officials said Monday after interrogating and charging Dzhokhar Tsarnaev ......

Two U.S. officials said preliminary evidence from the younger man's interrogation suggests the brothers were motivated by religious extremism ....."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BOS...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#27 Apr 22, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
The two Boston Bombers did the dirty deed because of Islam.
It has been admitted by the younger bozo in captivity.
Islam promotes murder.
"AP: MOTIVATED BY RELIGION
Apr 22, 11:36 PM EDT
Boston bomb suspect charged; religious motive seen
BOSTON (AP)-- The two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon appear to have been motivated by a radical brand of Islam but do not seem connected to any Muslim terrorist groups, U.S. officials said Monday after interrogating and charging Dzhokhar Tsarnaev ......
Two U.S. officials said preliminary evidence from the younger man's interrogation suggests the brothers were motivated by religious extremism ....."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BOS...
I am quite sure they were motivated by religious extremism, it wouldn't be the first time that people have committed terrible acts because of religion. In the recent past, Christians have committed acts of mass suicide because of their beliefs and the Norwegian mass murderer is reported to be a Christian, but of course when these thing happen, then the cry goes out, "Ah, but they are not real Christians." Well perhaps Muslims say the same about the crazies in their ranks. I have no love for Islam, I think it is a repressive religion particularly where women are concerned, but I don't believe for one moment that all Muslims have the mentality of the jihadist. As I said in an earlier post, if you believe the bible, the biblical god ordered acts of genocide, exterminating a whole nation because they were non believers. The Islamic extremists, for all their murderous acts haven't come close to the murderous acts of the biblical god.
little lamb

Australia

#28 Apr 23, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
Whilst there is no denying that Islam's holy books contain what you have said, I have read many posts from fundies right here on Topix where they have said that they should not mix with non believers. Not unlike the instructions in the first verse you quoted, and if you believe the bible, your god has already demonstrated an ability order his followers to slaughter all those who do not believe in him, much like the second verse you quoted.
The positive thing about Christians , who are in a new covenant with God , is we are encouraged to love our fellowman..and we are also told to leave all judging to God.

The worst we are to do , is to separate ourselves from un believers...which when you think about it , most unbelievers would welcome ....

God however pours out his rage upon nations that ignore him, and that is his action not ours..

Islamic's think they are god , however in being the ones that bring judgment on people...but they are not god..they are human beings.
little lamb

Australia

#29 Apr 23, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did I say I was using Christianity as an excuse for their crimes? Certainly religious bigotry played a large part in fuelling the conflict, but this bigotry was an us and them bigotry from people who paid lip service to religion but would have trouble naming the first three books of the NT. It is also the kind of bigotry displayed here on Topix by the fundies with their hatred of Catholicism and atheists and gays.
Loyalist paramilitary murals often displayed a heavily armed masked man with the slogan "For God and Ulster". They used religion to appeal to the baser instincts of their followers, but I never considered them Christian.
Yes bigotry is a condition we are all aware exists in everyone of us.

And I would say that you are bigoted against anyone who mentions certain course of actions are sin

I would suggest that probably you can not distinguish between wrong course of action and hating that course of action..and using that hate of wrong action Christians have to accuse Christians of hating people..

Jesus calls sinners to repent...

People like yourself do not recognize what sin is..

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#30 Apr 23, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes bigotry is a condition we are all aware exists in everyone of us.
And I would say that you are bigoted against anyone who mentions certain course of actions are sin
I would suggest that probably you can not distinguish between wrong course of action and hating that course of action..and using that hate of wrong action Christians have to accuse Christians of hating people..
Jesus calls sinners to repent...
People like yourself do not recognize what sin is..
Sin is a religious concept that the religious use to describe what they consider to be wrong. When you read many of the posts from fundies, that concept manifests itself as pure bigotry and hatred and I certainly do not consider myself a bigot just because I speak out against such bigotry. Your second paragraph was a bit ambiguous, but you seem to be saying that I can't distinguish between right an wrong. If that is indeed what you are saying, then that is pretty self righteous of you, and wrong. I have a sound moral compass and know very clearly what is right and what is wrong. I don't take instructions on what is right and wrong from a book that says it is wrong to eat certain seafood, or wear certain clothes, or more seriously, thinks that genocide is a proper course of action. You take instruction from that book, but when you use that book's instructions to denigrate others who are not of your faith or have no faith, then that is bigotry. As I said earlier, speaking out against bigotry is not bigotry!
little lamb

Australia

#31 Apr 24, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
Sin is a religious concept that the religious use to describe what they consider to be wrong. When you read many of the posts from fundies, that concept manifests itself as pure bigotry and hatred and I certainly do not consider myself a bigot just because I speak out against such bigotry. Your second paragraph was a bit ambiguous, but you seem to be saying that I can't distinguish between right an wrong. If that is indeed what you are saying, then that is pretty self righteous of you, and wrong. I have a sound moral compass and know very clearly what is right and what is wrong. I don't take instructions on what is right and wrong from a book that says it is wrong to eat certain seafood, or wear certain clothes, or more seriously, thinks that genocide is a proper course of action. You take instruction from that book, but when you use that book's instructions to denigrate others who are not of your faith or have no faith, then that is bigotry. As I said earlier, speaking out against bigotry is not bigotry!
Like i said ..you don't know what sin is..

and even if you don't take instruction from a book ...doesn't excuse the fact that a counterfeit book is telling people to kill other people today..

and your use of saying how god dealt with Israel thousands of years ago under a former covenant ..

therefore in your morality, apparently makes it alright for people today to kill others who don't agree with them , just shows how whacky your moral compass is..

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#32 Apr 24, 2013
"Ant" has been trolling the forum but so far has refused to answer my rebuttal of his/her/its contention that moderate Muslims never, ever speak out against radical Muslims.

What a coward!
little lamb

Australia

#33 Apr 24, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
"Ant" has been trolling the forum but so far has refused to answer my rebuttal of his/her/its contention that moderate Muslims never, ever speak out against radical Muslims.
What a coward!
You are either a muslim or you are not..same as you are either a christian or you are not

moderate this and that is just another name for unbelievers isn't it?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#34 Apr 24, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either a muslim or you are not..same as you are either a christian or you are not
moderate this and that is just another name for unbelievers isn't it?
No, actually it isn't.

Here's why: your argument is the same as saying either you are a Democrat or you are not. But there are moderate, liberal, and conservative Democrats. The labels "liberal" moderate" and "conservative" refer to the degree which with one adheres to the entirety of the Democratic platform.

In the same fashion, "conservative" Christians differ from "liberal" Christians in that they (the conservatives) believe that the Earth was created in six literal 24-hour days and that God created humans in their present form, whereas liberal Christians acknowledge that the book of Genesis is metaphorical, not literal, and they acknowledge that evolution is a fact. Moderate Christians are somewhere in the middle of the continuum.

Both conservative and liberal Christians adhere to the teachings of Jesus, and both acknowledge that the path to salvation is through the redemption of sin through Christ.

In other words, they are all Christians.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#35 Apr 24, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Like i said ..you don't know what sin is..
and even if you don't take instruction from a book ...doesn't excuse the fact that a counterfeit book is telling people to kill other people today..
and your use of saying how god dealt with Israel thousands of years ago under a former covenant ..
therefore in your morality, apparently makes it alright for people today to kill others who don't agree with them , just shows how whacky your moral compass is..
Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension or is just because you are a stupid fundie? Where did I say that I think it's alright for people to kill others who don't agree with them? Show me, because I'm calling you a liar, something you fundies are very good at.
You also say that the god you believe in did all his slaughtering under the old covenant. So he used to slaughter people by the millions, but he doesn't do that sort of thing anymore. Oh that's alright then, let's forget all about it. Anyway don't you believe that your god is just having a break from mass murder? Don't you believe that he is coming back to finish off what he started, killing all the non believers that is? You believe stuff like that and you accuse me of having a whacky moral compass? If anything is whacky and twisted, it's your belief system, my moral compass is perfectly intact!

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#36 Apr 24, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The positive thing about Christians , who are in a new covenant with God , is we are encouraged to love our fellowman..and we are also told to leave all judging to God.
The worst we are to do , is to separate ourselves from un believers...which when you think about it , most unbelievers would welcome ....
God however pours out his rage upon nations that ignore him, and that is his action not ours..
Islamic's think they are god , however in being the ones that bring judgment on people...but they are not god..they are human beings.
"God however pours out his rage upon nations that ignore him, and that is his action not ours.."

Oh, come on!
No, God doesn't!

You know what you fundies are beginning to remind me of?

Welcome To The Jungle
You know where you are
You're in the jungle baby
You're gonna die
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your
knees, knees
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Feel my, my, my serpentine
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your
knees, knees
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your
It' gonna bring you down-HA!

Maybe ole Guns 'n Roses was onto something after all!

All fundies want to dwell on is blood and agony and death!
That is not the message of the Bible. That is not the message of the Gospel.
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#37 Apr 24, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>"God however pours out his rage upon nations that ignore him, and that is his action not ours.."
Oh, come on!
No, God doesn't!
You know what you fundies are beginning to remind me of?
Welcome To The Jungle
You know where you are
You're in the jungle baby
You're gonna die
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your
knees, knees
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Feel my, my, my serpentine
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your
knees, knees
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your
It' gonna bring you down-HA!
Maybe ole Guns 'n Roses was onto something after all!
All fundies want to dwell on is blood and agony and death!
That is not the message of the Bible. That is not the message of the Gospel.
Now, you are quoting a group that represents the world ergo Satan? We dwell in reality and relish the forgiveness of God via the shed blood of Jesus Christ. www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
little lamb

Australia

#38 Apr 24, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
No, actually it isn't.
Here's why: your argument is the same as saying either you are a Democrat or you are not. But there are moderate, liberal, and conservative Democrats. The labels "liberal" moderate" and "conservative" refer to the degree which with one adheres to the entirety of the Democratic platform.
In the same fashion, "conservative" Christians differ from "liberal" Christians in that they (the conservatives) believe that the Earth was created in six literal 24-hour days and that God created humans in their present form, whereas liberal Christians acknowledge that the book of Genesis is metaphorical, not literal, and they acknowledge that evolution is a fact. Moderate Christians are somewhere in the middle of the continuum.
Both conservative and liberal Christians adhere to the teachings of Jesus, and both acknowledge that the path to salvation is through the redemption of sin through Christ.
In other words, they are all Christians.
Well Jesus says he would rather we be hot or cold rather then luke warm..and all luke warm Christians he is going to vomit out of his mouth.

The call to be in union with Christ means.. whole hardheartedness...keep your luke warm commitment to the political arena , that is full of compromise.. and don't put that half hearted commitment to a true christian.
Ant

Beijing, China

#39 Apr 24, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Jesus says he would rather we be hot or cold rather then luke warm..and all luke warm Christians he is going to vomit out of his mouth.
The call to be in union with Christ means.. whole hardheartedness...keep your luke warm commitment to the political arena , that is full of compromise.. and don't put that half hearted commitment to a true christian.
Do you obey all the commandments of the Lord Jesus the Christ?
little lamb

Australia

#40 Apr 24, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension or is just because you are a stupid fundie? Where did I say that I think it's alright for people to kill others who don't agree with them? Show me, because I'm calling you a liar, something you fundies are very good at.
You also say that the god you believe in did all his slaughtering under the old covenant. So he used to slaughter people by the millions, but he doesn't do that sort of thing anymore. Oh that's alright then, let's forget all about it. Anyway don't you believe that your god is just having a break from mass murder? Don't you believe that he is coming back to finish off what he started, killing all the non believers that is? You believe stuff like that and you accuse me of having a whacky moral compass? If anything is whacky and twisted, it's your belief system, my moral compass is perfectly intact!
Your moral compass is up in the air..God gives life and he destroys..that is what makes him God.

And here you are trying to throw your judgments on God, when scripture states no wicked one understands..so with the limited understanding you have, you proceed to put God on judgment..

You are the one that used the comparison of what God did thousand of years ago under a different system with people as the basis of why you condone the murder of the boston killers..remember you brought that argument up to prove your immoral point.

Now you are back tracking , because you thought we would play your game in trying to justify God to your little brain.

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