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“God Loves Ilks!”

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#244 Apr 30, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Lot of words ..and no scripture contradicting Jesus words " Do not call anyone Father "
well there are sheep and goats and
Jesus sheep hear his voice...
'Jesus sheep'?

I gave completely valid scripture.
I cannot control your cherry picking addictions.
Seek help.
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#245 Apr 30, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Right.
And then Jesus established The Catholic Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.
If you know all this, why do you continue to rebel and defy Jesus Christ and The Church Jesus built?
Just obstinate, headstrong and defiant?
I honor and obey the Lord Jesus Christ. I reveal the false churches who dishonor and disobey Him. How is it you are easily fooled and led astray? Read it and weep - either out of sorrow or joy:
www.scribd.com/doc/99734260 ...
www.scribd.com/doc/22629976 ...
www.scribd.com/doc/99737182 ...
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#246 Apr 30, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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The church is not somewhere we go
1 Corinthians 12 [27] Now you are Christs body , and members individually'
We are already the BODY -congregation- church of Christ...and he says ' where two or three of you are gathered together in my name, there i am within your midst,'
We don't have to join anything...for by faith we are joined to Christ...for it is Christ who is the vine,
Yes, Cisco. "Church" is translated 115 times in the New Testament from the word "ekklesia." Ekklesia means "assembly summoned forth." Nothing more. It's the RCC which perverted this word for their own gain, and turned it into their version of what a church is.
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#247 Apr 30, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Can't find the word 'pope' in the scriptures..it is an added word..it is supposed to mean 'papa' but we Christians have only one Father and that is God.
In fact Christians are under command not to be called Father..
Amen!:)
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#248 Apr 30, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Correct.....to a point.
WE DO have to join in The Body of Christ through Baptism.
The Body of Christ is The Church, guided by Christ's Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not confused or inconsistent, but many of mankind are.
This is why there are so many denominations created by man in defiance of The Catholic Church that Jesus established.
We call these people that protest God's leadership,..... protestants.
Was it God's leadership and direction of the Holy Spirit to imprison, torture and kill MILLIONS of Christians that believed differently about the doctrines of Christianity? Was it God's leadership that allowed the coverup of sexual abuse by priests for HUNDREDS of years? "Full well ye reject the commandments of God, that ye may keep the traditions of men!"

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#249 Apr 30, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.." I think you fail to grasp God's severe contempt for our sins. Every single one, even the "little ones." One sin severs your relationship with Him, and brands you a criminal in His eyes. And, we commit thousands upon thousands in our brief lifetimes.
What a terrible way to live your life. You may be living in terror of this god you believe in but I most certainly don't have that problem. You are correct when you say I fail to grasp your god's contempt for "sin", much the same way as I fail to grasp how Little Red Riding Hood mistook a wolf for her granny. No, I see no contempt from any god, the only contempt I see is the contempt that fundies have for people who do not believe as they do, and judging by the sentiment of your post, the contempt you have for yourself. Sad!
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#250 Apr 30, 2013
par five wrote:
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Must be rather awkward for you when filling out official forms such as applying for a passport. You know, questions such as, father's first name, father's date of birth, father's country of birth. Writing down, "I don't have a father" is not going to cut it with the authorities nor get you a passport, which when I think on it is not such a bad thing as it will keep you in Australia, unfortunate as that is for Australia!
It is plain to see.... Jesus was referring to the tile "father" in a SPIRITUAL sense, just as He mentioned Rabbi in that teaching, meaning "master."
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#251 Apr 30, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>'Jesus sheep'?
I gave completely valid scripture.
I cannot control your cherry picking addictions.
Seek help.
We say the same to you.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#252 Apr 30, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Cisco. "Church" is translated 115 times in the New Testament from the word "ekklesia." Ekklesia means "assembly summoned forth." Nothing more. It's the RCC which perverted this word for their own gain, and turned it into their version of what a church is.
Jesus said his Church would be "the light of the world." He then noted that "a city set on a hill cannot be hid" (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches.
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Even in this restricted acceptation, there is some variety in the use of the term. The disciples of a single locality are often referred to in the New Testament as a Church ( Revelation 2:18 ; Romans 16:4 ; Acts 9:31 ), and St. Paul even applies the term to disciples belonging to a single household ( Romans 16:5 ; 1 Corinthians 16:19 , Colossians 4:15 ; Philemon 1-2 ). Moreover, it may designate specially those who exercise the office of teaching and ruling the faithful, the Ecclesia Docens ( Matthew 18:17 ), or again the governed as distinguished from their pastors, the Ecclesia Discens ( Acts 20:28 ). In all these cases the name belonging to the whole is applied to a part. The term, in its full meaning, denotes the whole body of the faithful, both rulers and ruled, throughout the world ( Ephesians 1:22 ; Colossians 1:18 ). It is in this meaning that the Church is treated of in the present article. As thus understood, the definition of the Church given by Bellarmine is that usually adopted by Catholic theologians : "A body of men united together by the profession of the same Christian Faith , and by participation in the same sacraments, under the governance of lawful pastors, more especially of the Roman Pontiff, the sole vicar of Christ on earth" (Coetus hominum ejusdem christianæ fidei professione, et eorumdem sacramentorum communione colligatus, sub regimine legitimorum pastorum et præcipue unius Christi in Terris vicarii Romani Pontificis.-- Bellarmine, De Eccl., III, ii, 9).
the principal characteristics of the Church. Christ's teaching on this point may be briefly summarized here. It is to be a kingdom ruled in His absence by men ( Matthew 18:18 ; John 21:17 ). It is therefore a visible theocracy ; and it will be substituted for the Jewish theocracy that has rejected Him ( Matthew 21:43 ). In it, until the day of judgment, the bad will be mingled with the good ( Matthew 13:41 ). Its extent will be universal ( Matthew 28:19 ), and its duration to the end of time ( Matthew 13:49 ); all powers that oppose it shall be crushed ( Matthew 21:44 ). Moreover, it will be a supernatural kingdom of truth, in the world, though not of it ( John 18:36 ). It will be one and undivided, and this unity shall be a witness to all men that its founder came from God ( John 17:21 ).
- Catholic Encyclopedia

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#253 Apr 30, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Was it God's leadership and direction of the Holy Spirit to imprison, torture and kill MILLIONS of Christians that believed differently about the doctrines of Christianity? Was it God's leadership that allowed the coverup of sexual abuse by priests for HUNDREDS of years? "Full well ye reject the commandments of God, that ye may keep the traditions of men!"
There have been and always will be, it seems, some within any church/faith who does wrong.
I wonder when folks will figure out that the faith/church itself did none of these things.
There are countless worthy people in the Catholic Church, in Protestant churches, in all faiths, in people everywhere, faith or not.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#254 Apr 30, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>We say the same to you.
Instead of admitting or denying, you, instead, attack me?

Speaks loudly of your own guilt.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#255 Apr 30, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>It is plain to see.... Jesus was referring to the tile "father" in a SPIRITUAL sense, just as He mentioned Rabbi in that teaching, meaning "master."
I am not going to argue with your interpretation, what I said to little lamb was just my attempt at a spot of humour.
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#256 Apr 30, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus said his Church would be "the light of the world." He then noted that "a city set on a hill cannot be hid" (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches.
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Even in this restricted acceptation, there is some variety in the use of the term. The disciples of a single locality are often referred to in the New Testament as a Church ( Revelation 2:18 ; Romans 16:4 ; Acts 9:31 ), and St. Paul even applies the term to disciples belonging to a single household ( Romans 16:5 ; 1 Corinthians 16:19 , Colossians 4:15 ; Philemon 1-2 ). Moreover, it may designate specially those who exercise the office of teaching and ruling the faithful, the Ecclesia Docens ( Matthew 18:17 ), or again the governed as distinguished from their pastors, the Ecclesia Discens ( Acts 20:28 ). In all these cases the name belonging to the whole is applied to a part. The term, in its full meaning, denotes the whole body of the faithful, both rulers and ruled, throughout the world ( Ephesians 1:22 ; Colossians 1:18 ). It is in this meaning that the Church is treated of in the present article. As thus understood, the definition of the Church given by Bellarmine is that usually adopted by Catholic theologians : "A body of men united together by the profession of the same Christian Faith , and by participation in the same sacraments, under the governance of lawful pastors, more especially of the Roman Pontiff, the sole vicar of Christ on earth" (Coetus hominum ejusdem christianæ fidei professione, et eorumdem sacramentorum communione colligatus, sub regimine legitimorum pastorum et præcipue unius Christi in Terris vicarii Romani Pontificis.-- Bellarmine, De Eccl., III, ii, 9).
the principal characteristics of the Church. Christ's teaching on this point may be briefly summarized here. It is to be a kingdom ruled in His absence by men ( Matthew 18:18 ; John 21:17 ). It is therefore a visible theocracy ; and it will be substituted for the Jewish theocracy that has rejected Him ( Matthew 21:43 ). In it, until the day of judgment, the bad will be mingled with the good ( Matthew 13:41 ). Its extent will be universal ( Matthew 28:19 ), and its duration to the end of time ( Matthew 13:49 ); all powers that oppose it shall be crushed ( Matthew 21:44 ). Moreover, it will be a supernatural kingdom of truth, in the world, though not of it ( John 18:36 ). It will be one and undivided, and this unity shall be a witness to all men that its founder came from God ( John 17:21 ).
- Catholic Encyclopedia
Right. An independent, local assembly is the church God had in mind. Organized religion with hierarchies, such as the RCC, always fall into apostasy.
He is Coming Soon

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#257 Apr 30, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Instead of admitting or denying, you, instead, attack me?
Speaks loudly of your own guilt.
Attack you? I just stated what you just said. You are very thin-skinned. I have refuted your teachings numerous times. No sense repeating it.
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#258 Apr 30, 2013
par five wrote:
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What a terrible way to live your life. You may be living in terror of this god you believe in but I most certainly don't have that problem. You are correct when you say I fail to grasp your god's contempt for "sin", much the same way as I fail to grasp how Little Red Riding Hood mistook a wolf for her granny. No, I see no contempt from any god, the only contempt I see is the contempt that fundies have for people who do not believe as they do, and judging by the sentiment of your post, the contempt you have for yourself. Sad!
I respect Him and see myself as He does. "There is none good but God," as Jesus taught us. I pray that soon the Holy Spirit will allow you to do the same.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#259 Apr 30, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Right. An independent, local assembly is the church God had in mind. Organized religion with hierarchies, such as the RCC, always fall into apostasy.
How can you buy into that lie?
It is ridiculous to think God wants scattered independent religious groups.

The Church Jesus built has always been regulated by an apostolic body united and directed by Holy Spirit.
Scripture proves this over and over.

Acts 15:1-2, 22-29

"Some who had come down from Judea were instructing the brothers,
“Unless you are circumcised according to the Mosaic practice,
you cannot be saved.”
Because there arose no little dissension and debate
by Paul and Barnabas with them,
it was decided that Paul, Barnabas, and some of the others
should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders
about this question.

The apostles and elders, in agreement with the whole church,
decided to choose representatives
and to send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas.
The ones chosen were Judas, who was called Barsabbas,
and Silas, leaders among the brothers.
This is the letter delivered by them:

“The apostles and the elders, your brothers,
to the brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia
of Gentile origin: greetings.
Since we have heard that some of our number
who went out without any mandate from us
have upset you with their teachings
and disturbed your peace of mind,
we have with one accord decided to choose representatives
and to send them to you along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
who have dedicated their lives to the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So we are sending Judas and Silas
who will also convey this same message by word of mouth:
‘It is the decision of the Holy Spirit and of us
not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities,
namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols,
from blood, from meats of strangled animals,
and from unlawful marriage.
If you keep free of these,
you will be doing what is right. Farewell.’”
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#260 Apr 30, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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How can you buy into that lie?
It is ridiculous to think God wants scattered independent religious groups.
The Church Jesus built has always been regulated by an apostolic body united and directed by Holy Spirit.
What is the name of the church you attend every Sunday?
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#261 Apr 30, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
And then Jesus established The Catholic Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.
If you know all this, why do you continue to rebel and defy Jesus Christ and The Church Jesus built?
Just obstinate, headstrong and defiant?
Well that's a stretch. Its hard to imagine Jesus was thinking of the Catholic, later Roman Catholic Church as his...

I think its fair to say that the disconnect between Jesus and his teachings and intentions happened rather early in that Churches growth...and like all other Xtian Churches only retains a sprinkling of his intentions...
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#262 Apr 30, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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What is the name of the church you attend every Sunday?
Our Lady of Perpetual Motion.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#263 Apr 30, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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How can you buy into that lie?
It is ridiculous to think God wants scattered independent religious groups.
The Church Jesus built has always been regulated by an apostolic body united and directed by Holy Spirit.
”
But IF you believe your God is THE Creator - why all the various culturally oriented Religions? Why not make sure all peoples align to the same one? Why put a plan in place that could take hundreds of thousands of years to work...if at all?

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