"Chechnyan" suspects...

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#223 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Most Christians quote scripture that says God finds a man laying with a man the same as a woman, an abomination"
Jesus words to his brothers is interesting...
Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready. The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil....
That is why you hate 'fundies' they bear witness to what God says is wicked...and people hate it...and luke warm Christians hold back..because they are frightened of political correctness...
Bang on!:-)

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#224 Apr 29, 2013
par five wrote:
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Perhaps you need to take your own advice and stop focusing on people who just happen to believe differently to you, such as whether or not I have a relationship with the god you believe in. Well I don't have relationships with things I don't believe in, so you don't need to worry about that any more, I'm fine thank you very much. As for those fundamentalists who are "too caustic in their hatred of evil", I would say it is more a case of being too caustic in their hatred, because they seem to consider everything that is outside their blinkered belief system as evil and going through life with such negativity towards others only makes them seem intolerant and sanctimonious. I have many good Christian friends and there are good Christians here on Topix too, but I'm afraid I can't say the same about fundamentalists. You talk about balancing temperament with mercy, well I see little or none of that coming from the fundies who post here on Topix. With them it's all about "evil" non believers being cast into the "lake of fire" and they seem positively elated at the prospect. When people of faith stop focusing on me and others, interfering and telling us how to live our lives, then I will stop focusing on them. That's a deal!
"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.." I think you fail to grasp God's severe contempt for our sins. Every single one, even the "little ones." One sin severs your relationship with Him, and brands you a criminal in His eyes. And, we commit thousands upon thousands in our brief lifetimes.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#225 Apr 29, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>History is history. It does not have an opinion. And no one needs anyone's permission to study and report on it. Abuse starts with a group claiming they are the sole authority on religious matters. That was proven by the Jewish Pharisees. They claimed to be the ones properly protecting and dispensing the faith of the Lord.

Then along came Jesus, who busted up their game.
Right.
And then Jesus established The Catholic Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.

If you know all this, why do you continue to rebel and defy Jesus Christ and The Church Jesus built?

Just obstinate, headstrong and defiant?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#226 Apr 29, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.." I think you fail to grasp God's severe contempt for our sins. Every single one, even the "little ones." One sin severs your relationship with Him, and brands you a criminal in His eyes. And, we commit thousands upon thousands in our brief lifetimes.
I'm trying to warn you.....

"If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church.

If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector."
Matt.18:16,17
little lamb

Australia

#227 Apr 29, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
And then Jesus established The Catholic Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.
If you know all this, why do you continue to rebel and defy Jesus Christ and The Church Jesus built?
Just obstinate, headstrong and defiant?
The church is not somewhere we go

1 Corinthians 12 [27] Now you are Christs body , and members individually'

We are already the BODY -congregation- church of Christ...and he says ' where two or three of you are gathered together in my name, there i am within your midst,'

We don't have to join anything...for by faith we are joined to Christ...for it is Christ who is the vine,
little lamb

Australia

#228 Apr 29, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
And then Jesus established The Catholic Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.
If you know all this, why do you continue to rebel and defy Jesus Christ and The Church Jesus built?
Just obstinate, headstrong and defiant?
Can't find the word 'pope' in the scriptures..it is an added word..it is supposed to mean 'papa' but we Christians have only one Father and that is God.

In fact Christians are under command not to be called Father..

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#229 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Can't find the word 'pope' in the scriptures..it is an added word..it is supposed to mean 'papa' but we Christians have only one Father and that is God.
In fact Christians are under command not to be called Father..
The word Pope comes from the Latin Papa, which was derived from the Greek Papas, meaning father. Greek was the most universal language at the time of the establishment of Christianity, which accounts for the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek, not in Hebrew. In the beginning the word Pope was applied to priests, bishops, and patriarchs, who were considered to be spiritual fathers of those in their charge. Gradually the term became restricted to the Chief Pastor of all the faithful the Roman Pontiff. Whenever the Pope is referred to now it is always understood to mean the Holy Father of all Christendom.
http://www.stjohn17v20-21.com/cques13.htm

The word trinity is not found in the Bible.
The word Bible is not found in the Bible.
The word omniscience is not found in the Bible.
Neither are:
Atheism is the teaching that there is no God. "The fool has said in his heart,'There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1).(see atheism)
Divinity which means divine quality or godlike character. Yet, we speak of the godlike quality of the Lord God. See Psalm 139.
Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14).
Monotheism is the teaching that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:8).
Rapture is the teaching that the Christians who are alive when Jesus returns will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-18).

~shrug~

What's your point?
little lamb

Australia

#230 Apr 29, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The word Pope comes from the Latin Papa, which was derived from the Greek Papas, meaning father. Greek was the most universal language at the time of the establishment of Christianity, which accounts for the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek, not in Hebrew. In the beginning the word Pope was applied to priests, bishops, and patriarchs, who were considered to be spiritual fathers of those in their charge. Gradually the term became restricted to the Chief Pastor of all the faithful the Roman Pontiff. Whenever the Pope is referred to now it is always understood to mean the Holy Father of all Christendom.
http://www.stjohn17v20-21.com/cques13.htm
The word trinity is not found in the Bible.
The word Bible is not found in the Bible.
The word omniscience is not found in the Bible.
Neither are:
Atheism is the teaching that there is no God. "The fool has said in his heart,'There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1).(see atheism)
Divinity which means divine quality or godlike character. Yet, we speak of the godlike quality of the Lord God. See Psalm 139.
Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14).
Monotheism is the teaching that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:8).
Rapture is the teaching that the Christians who are alive when Jesus returns will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-18).
~shrug~
What's your point?
I agree there are many words that Christians are using that are not scriptural...we are told by Paul " not to go beyond what is written'

And calling someone Father is a direct disobedience to Jesus Christs commandment

Matthew 23:9

"And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.'
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#231 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The church is not somewhere we go
1 Corinthians 12 [27] Now you are Christs body , and members individually'
We are already the BODY -congregation- church of Christ...and he says ' where two or three of you are gathered together in my name, there i am within your midst,'

We don't have to join anything...for by faith we are joined to Christ...for it is Christ who is the vine,
Correct.....to a point.
WE DO have to join in The Body of Christ through Baptism.

The Body of Christ is The Church, guided by Christ's Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not confused or inconsistent, but many of mankind are.
This is why there are so many denominations created by man in defiance of The Catholic Church that Jesus established.

We call these people that protest God's leadership,..... protestants.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#232 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree there are many words that Christians are using that are not scriptural...we are told by Paul " not to go beyond what is written'
And calling someone Father is a direct disobedience to Jesus Christs commandment
Matthew 23:9
"And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.'
You were born of a man and a woman.
What do you call the male half of your parents?
little lamb

Australia

#233 Apr 29, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct.....to a point.
WE DO have to join in The Body of Christ through Baptism.
The Body of Christ is The Church, guided by Christ's Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not confused or inconsistent, but many of mankind are.
This is why there are so many denominations created by man in defiance of The Catholic Church that Jesus established.
We call these people that protest God's leadership,..... protestants.
I have thought about this

And i have several questions,,

Why when Philip baptized the eunuch in water..he left him and never saw him again...why wasn't the eunuch joined up with a church??

Also it states in scripture by one spirit we are babtised in to the one body.

How come baptism of the Holy Spirit is what baptizes us into one body, and not baptism of water??

And where are those Christians who have had the baptism in Holy Spirit??
little lamb

Australia

#234 Apr 29, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
You were born of a man and a woman.
What do you call the male half of your parents?
When you are born of spirit..we are born again of a father of our spiritual life..and a Christian has only one Father ..the rest of us are all brothers and sisters.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#235 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree there are many words that Christians are using that are not scriptural...we are told by Paul " not to go beyond what is written'
And calling someone Father is a direct disobedience to Jesus Christs commandment
Matthew 23:9
"And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.'
Call No Man Father?(Matthew 23:9)

Catholic Note:
All human titles are only shadows of God's authority from which they derive as understood in Ephesians 3:15. RE: "Call no one on earth father". "Father" is a term sometimes used of the great Rabbis. Note our Lord is not a grammarian regulating the use of terms: he is a doctor of the spirit. He forbids any acknowledgement of fatherhood that obscures the fatherhood of God, nothing more. If we make no allowance for the concreteness and brevity of His phrases we either reduce them to absurdity or him to inconsistency. He would not forbid a human son to use the word father nor would he forbid the term if addressed to one who is God's representative; in this second case, indeed, it serves to remind its readers of the fatherhood of God. Nor must the Christian disciple pose as an independent spiritual guide. He himself is subject to one Teacher and one Guide - to the Lord Himself.

Luke 14:26 - Jesus says, "Anyone who comes to me without hating father,... "
Acts 6:14 to 7:2 - St. Stephen calls the Jewish leaders "fathers"
Acts 21:40 to 22:1 - St. Paul calls Jerusalem Jews "fathers"
Romans 4:16-17 - Abraham is called "the father of us all"
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 - St. Paul says, "I became your father in Christ through the Gospel"
1 Thessalonians 2:1 - we treat you as a father treats his children
1 Timothy 1:2 - St. Paul says, "my true child in faith"
Titus 1:4 - St. Paul says, "my true child in our common faith"

Philemon 10 - whose father I became in my imprisonment
Hebrews 12:7-9 - we have earthly fathers to discipline us
1 John 2:13,14 - I write to you, fathers, because you know him
little lamb

Australia

#236 Apr 29, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Call No Man Father?
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 - St. Paul says, "I became your father in Christ through the Gospel"
1 Thessalonians 2:1 - we treat you as a father treats his children
1 Timothy 1:2 - St. Paul says, "my true child in faith"
Titus 1:4 - St. Paul says, "my true child in our common faith"
Philemon 10 - whose father I became in my imprisonment
him
Lets take a couple to show , how you don't handle the word of truth right.

1 Corinthians 4:14-15 - St. Paul says, "I became your father in Christ through the Gospel"

no where does Paul ask to be "CALLED" FATHER his words are
'I BECOME" your father...Paul does not break scripture

1 Thessalonians 2:1 - we treat you as a father treats his children

Again Paul says 'we "treat" you like, a father' again no where does he say ' call me father'

1 Timothy 1:2 - St. Paul says, "my true child in faith"

Again there is no breaking of scripture asking to be CALLED FATHER.

So Nettie you use all these scriptures to try and get people to DISOBEY Jesus command ' Don't be called Father."

You don't love Jesus

because Jesus said the one that loves him, obeys his commandments.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#237 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets take a couple to show , how you don't handle the word of truth right.
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 - St. Paul says, "I became your father in Christ through the Gospel"
no where does Paul ask to be "CALLED" FATHER his words are
'I BECOME" your father...Paul does not break scripture
1 Thessalonians 2:1 - we treat you as a father treats his children
Again Paul says 'we "treat" you like, a father' again no where does he say ' call me father'
1 Timothy 1:2 - St. Paul says, "my true child in faith"
Again there is no breaking of scripture asking to be CALLED FATHER.
So Nettie you use all these scriptures to try and get people to DISOBEY Jesus command ' Don't be called Father."
You don't love Jesus
because Jesus said the one that loves him, obeys his commandments.
Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt" (Gen. 45:8).

Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: "I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know" (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: "In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah ... and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit ... authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah" (Is. 22:20–21).

This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, "My father, my father!" to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).

So What Did Jesus Mean?

Jesus criticized Jewish leaders who love "the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called ‘rabbi’ by men" (Matt. 23:6–7). His admonition here is a response to the Pharisees’ proud hearts and their grasping after marks of status and prestige.

He was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.

Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees!(cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15). We are all subject to "the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" (1 John 2:16).

Since Jesus is demonstrably using hyperbole when he says not to call anyone our father—else we would not be able to refer to our earthly fathers as such—we must read his words carefully and with sensitivity to the presence of hyperbole if we wish to understand what he is saying.

Jesus is not forbidding us to call men "fathers" who actually are such—either literally or spiritually.(See below on the apostolic example of spiritual fatherhood.) To refer to such people as fathers is only to acknowledge the truth, and Jesus is not against that. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/call-no-man-fa...

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#238 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets take a couple to show , how you don't handle the word of truth right.
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 - St. Paul says, "I became your father in Christ through the Gospel"
no where does Paul ask to be "CALLED" FATHER his words are
'I BECOME" your father...Paul does not break scripture
1 Thessalonians 2:1 - we treat you as a father treats his children
Again Paul says 'we "treat" you like, a father' again no where does he say ' call me father'
1 Timothy 1:2 - St. Paul says, "my true child in faith"
Again there is no breaking of scripture asking to be CALLED FATHER.
So Nettie you use all these scriptures to try and get people to DISOBEY Jesus command ' Don't be called Father."
You don't love Jesus
because Jesus said the one that loves him, obeys his commandments.
"
You don't love Jesus

because Jesus said the one that loves him, obeys his commandments."

Your sharp pointed tongue used here means absolutely nothing to me or any Catholic.
To repeatedly try to ridicule me or my faith only brings ridicule to yourself, not to me or my faith.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#239 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Can't find the word 'pope' in the scriptures..it is an added word..it is supposed to mean 'papa' but we Christians have only one Father and that is God.
In fact Christians are under command not to be called Father..
Must be rather awkward for you when filling out official forms such as applying for a passport. You know, questions such as, father's first name, father's date of birth, father's country of birth. Writing down, "I don't have a father" is not going to cut it with the authorities nor get you a passport, which when I think on it is not such a bad thing as it will keep you in Australia, unfortunate as that is for Australia!

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#240 Apr 29, 2013
PS. Maybe you do answer those questions little lamb.
Father's first name. God
Father's date of birth Always has been
Father's country of birth. Heaven (although he wasn't actually born, see above)
Mind you I don't think that would help you get your passport either. What you could do is stroke out the word father and substitute it with dad or pop, that might ease your dilemma. Just trying to help!
crocodile dundee

Beacon, NY

#241 Apr 30, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
What you obviously missed is that the Loyalist and Republican terror groups did not give a rats arse about your holy book. The fact that a peaceful settlement was eventually reached had absolutely nothing to do with a belief in some holy book. You are very naive!
Prophet of JC is a Fraud...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/walterboro-sc ...

His name is Robert Stair
little lamb

Australia

#242 Apr 30, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt" (Gen. 45:8).
Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: "I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know" (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: "In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah ... and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit ... authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah" (Is. 22:20–21).
This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, "My father, my father!" to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).
So What Did Jesus Mean?
Jesus criticized Jewish leaders who love "the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called ‘rabbi’ by men" (Matt. 23:6–7). His admonition here is a response to the Pharisees’ proud hearts and their grasping after marks of status and prestige.
He was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.
Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees!(cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15). We are all subject to "the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" (1 John 2:16).
Since Jesus is demonstrably using hyperbole when he says not to call anyone our father—else we would not be able to refer to our earthly fathers as such—we must read his words carefully and with sensitivity to the presence of hyperbole if we wish to understand what he is saying.
Jesus is not forbidding us to call men "fathers" who actually are such—either literally or spiritually.(See below on the apostolic example of spiritual fatherhood.) To refer to such people as fathers is only to acknowledge the truth, and Jesus is not against that. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/call-no-man-fa...
Lot of words ..and no scripture contradicting Jesus words " Do not call anyone Father "

well there are sheep and goats and

Jesus sheep hear his voice...

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