"Chechnyan" suspects...

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#203 Apr 28, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>History is history. It does not have an opinion. And no one needs anyone's permission to study and report on it. Abuse starts with a group claiming they are the sole authority on religious matters. That was proven by the Jewish Pharisees. They claimed to be the ones properly protecting and dispensing the faith of the Lord. Then along came Jesus, who busted up their game.
The Church is Apostolic

Matthew 16:13-20 - Jesus built his Church on Peter, the rock (foretold in the OT: Isaiah 22:15-25)
Luke 22:29-30 - I confer a kingdom on you, just as my Father conferred one on me: you will eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and you will sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 22:32 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd (that Peter's faith may not fail)
John 10:16 - One shepherd to shepherd Christ's sheep
John 15:16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles
John 21:17-19 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd
John 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission
Ephesians 4:11 - Church leaders are hierarchical
1 Timothy 3:1,8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests and deacons
Titus 1:5 - Commission for bishops to ordain priests
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The Bible came out of the Catholic Church around the end of the 4th century.( No small feat!) The Synods of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D.,and later, Carthage 419 A.D.,( along with the Traditional Bible or Latin Vulgate ( LV ), 406 A.D., by Saint Jerome ),gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as Catholics know it today. Relatively recent archeological findings and analysis of the Dead Sea scrolls (Qumran) of 1947 revealed that several deuterocanonical books were originally composed in Hebrew or Aramaic. This is very relevant and significant because earlier Protestant reformers of the 16th century, were very suspicious of, and rejected books, only available to them in the Greek Language. In part therefore, the Protestant canon of 66 books of Sacred Scripture is deficient - short seven (7) books.

The regional or local Catholic Church Councils of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D., and later, Carthage 419 A.D. gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as we know it today. Although these were just local councils, Saint Augustine did insist that the list given by these councils be sent to Rome for approval. Pope Saint Siricius (384-399 A.D.) approved the canon just as his papal predecessor Pope Damasus I had done in a Synod in 382 A.D. with a formal writing "Decretal of Gelasius", de recipiendis et non recipiendis libris.(The archeological findings and analysis pertaining to the Council of Rome 382 A.D. and some of the Popes may not be a settled fact.)

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#204 Apr 28, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Also Nettie, why can't you use independent, objective scholars and theologians when defending the RCC? Perhaps, they don't agree with the ones from Rome? Go figure!
And just who do you use to help defend your position? Someone like Fremont Rose with his, as you said, "Excellent point! Astounding
observation!!!" Teaming up with a sicko like that is not too bright and does nothing for what little credibility you have. But then of course, you are a fundie!

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#205 Apr 28, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Give me an example as to posts which swayed me from my religious beliefs.
Any post from any poster.
It's a double edged sword...

Your religious beliefs are just that...religious beliefs in which you agree with all of your ilk (third party) or luke warm nettie theology...

When someone else posts something from a (third party), you run to the RCC...

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#206 Apr 28, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a double edged sword...
Your religious beliefs are just that...religious beliefs in which you agree with all of your ilk (third party) or luke warm nettie theology...
When someone else posts something from a (third party), you run to the RCC...
How many Catholic posters are on these threads?
Name them.

My religious beliefs are not based on what other posters believe in and follow, never have been, never will be.

Or, are you really speaking of political issues here?

As for others posting something negative about the Catholic faith, wouldn't you really EXPECT a Catholic to defend their faith?
Or, is it that it is 'okay' with you for some to ridicule my faith or slander it, but I am not suppose to defend my beliefs?
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

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#207 Apr 28, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
And just who do you use to help defend your position? Someone like Fremont Rose with his, as you said, "Excellent point! Astounding
observation!!!" Teaming up with a sicko like that is not too bright and does nothing for what little credibility you have. But then of course, you are a fundie!
He does not help me defend my position. He is his own man, who has to answer to God. I rely upon the written Word of God, not other men and women. And, they do not rely upon me. I only pay partial attention to the majority of postings. Some fundamentalist Christians are too caustic in their hatred of evil, and do not know how to balance their temperament with mercy. You need to stop focusing on them, and worry about your relationship with the Lord God. If today were your last day on this earth, are you certain you would be in Heaven? I am. www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#208 Apr 28, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The Church is Apostolic
Matthew 16:13-20 - Jesus built his Church on Peter, the rock (foretold in the OT: Isaiah 22:15-25)
Luke 22:29-30 - I confer a kingdom on you, just as my Father conferred one on me: you will eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and you will sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 22:32 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd (that Peter's faith may not fail)
John 10:16 - One shepherd to shepherd Christ's sheep
John 15:16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles
John 21:17-19 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd
John 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission
Ephesians 4:11 - Church leaders are hierarchical
1 Timothy 3:1,8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests and deacons
Titus 1:5 - Commission for bishops to ordain priests
--------
The Bible came out of the Catholic Church around the end of the 4th century.( No small feat!) The Synods of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D.,and later, Carthage 419 A.D.,( along with the Traditional Bible or Latin Vulgate ( LV ), 406 A.D., by Saint Jerome ),gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as Catholics know it today. Relatively recent archeological findings and analysis of the Dead Sea scrolls (Qumran) of 1947 revealed that several deuterocanonical books were originally composed in Hebrew or Aramaic. This is very relevant and significant because earlier Protestant reformers of the 16th century, were very suspicious of, and rejected books, only available to them in the Greek Language. In part therefore, the Protestant canon of 66 books of Sacred Scripture is deficient - short seven (7) books.
The regional or local Catholic Church Councils of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D., and later, Carthage 419 A.D. gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as we know it today. Although these were just local councils, Saint Augustine did insist that the list given by these councils be sent to Rome for approval. Pope Saint Siricius (384-399 A.D.) approved the canon just as his papal predecessor Pope Damasus I had done in a Synod in 382 A.D. with a formal writing "Decretal of Gelasius", de recipiendis et non recipiendis libris.(The archeological findings and analysis pertaining to the Council of Rome 382 A.D. and some of the Popes may not be a settled fact.)
That train you are on, which you stubbornly defend, left the tracks a long, long time ago. Read it and weep - either out of sorrow, or for joy: www.scribd.com/doc/99734260 ...
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#209 Apr 28, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The Church is Apostolic
Matthew 16:13-20 - Jesus built his Church on Peter, the rock (foretold in the OT: Isaiah 22:15-25)
Luke 22:29-30 - I confer a kingdom on you, just as my Father conferred one on me: you will eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and you will sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 22:32 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd (that Peter's faith may not fail)
John 10:16 - One shepherd to shepherd Christ's sheep
John 15:16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles
John 21:17-19 - Peter appointed to be the chief shepherd
John 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission
Ephesians 4:11 - Church leaders are hierarchical
1 Timothy 3:1,8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests and deacons
Titus 1:5 - Commission for bishops to ordain priests
--------
The Bible came out of the Catholic Church around the end of the 4th century.( No small feat!) The Synods of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D.,and later, Carthage 419 A.D.,( along with the Traditional Bible or Latin Vulgate ( LV ), 406 A.D., by Saint Jerome ),gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as Catholics know it today. Relatively recent archeological findings and analysis of the Dead Sea scrolls (Qumran) of 1947 revealed that several deuterocanonical books were originally composed in Hebrew or Aramaic. This is very relevant and significant because earlier Protestant reformers of the 16th century, were very suspicious of, and rejected books, only available to them in the Greek Language. In part therefore, the Protestant canon of 66 books of Sacred Scripture is deficient - short seven (7) books.
The regional or local Catholic Church Councils of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D., and later, Carthage 419 A.D. gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as we know it today. Although these were just local councils, Saint Augustine did insist that the list given by these councils be sent to Rome for approval. Pope Saint Siricius (384-399 A.D.) approved the canon just as his papal predecessor Pope Damasus I had done in a Synod in 382 A.D. with a formal writing "Decretal of Gelasius", de recipiendis et non recipiendis libris.(The archeological findings and analysis pertaining to the Council of Rome 382 A.D. and some of the Popes may not be a settled fact.)
More droning on and on, proving absolutely nothing. The Latin Vulgate? It was so riddled with errors in translation, Catholic scholars questioned its accuracy. Peter was the first pope, yet Pal never, ever mentioned this in any of his epistles, ESPECIALLY his "Epistle to the Romans!" Peter was the head of the Church of Rome, yet Paul "withstood him to the face," and corrected Peter on doctrine. Nice try, Nettie.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#210 Apr 28, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>More droning on and on, proving absolutely nothing. The Latin Vulgate? It was so riddled with errors in translation, Catholic scholars questioned its accuracy. Peter was the first pope, yet Pal never, ever mentioned this in any of his epistles, ESPECIALLY his "Epistle to the Romans!" Peter was the head of the Church of Rome, yet Paul "withstood him to the face," and corrected Peter on doctrine. Nice try, Nettie.
More droning from you mouth in attempts to discredit the Papacy, our first Pope, scripture itself, etc.

You fail and will continue to fail.
Jesus promised that the Church He founded will stand until His return.

Not much you can do about it, hon.

Since: Feb 10

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#211 Apr 28, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I agree, they need to be more tactful and patient with nonbelievers. As for teaming up with pagans, atheists, false Christians, etc - the Bible is clear that we have nothing in common with them, and are to warn them of their spiritual peril. If we team up with them in social causes, that gives them a sense of creditability and soothes their wicked consciences. They would see no reason to repent and call upon God for deliverance. The coming spiritual cooperation that is unfolding among religions is a deception that will lead into an apostate religion that will be rejected and harshly judged by the Lord. www.scribd.com/doc/22629976 ....
Wow, what a dishonest answer!

The Bible clearly tells you what to do with astrologers, spiritualists, heathens, etc.: execute them.

Why don't you follow what your Lord God told you to do?

Oh wait, I forgot - that's from the OLD book of lies, not the new one.

Apparently your God changed his mind. ROFL!
little lamb

Australia

#212 Apr 28, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>How many Catholic posters are on these threads?
Name them.
My religious beliefs are not based on what other posters believe in and follow, never have been, never will be.
Or, are you really speaking of political issues here?
As for others posting something negative about the Catholic faith, wouldn't you really EXPECT a Catholic to defend their faith?
Or, is it that it is 'okay' with you for some to ridicule my faith or slander it, but I am not suppose to defend my beliefs?
I don't believe the Cathyolic church died for you...neither did the protestant church die for anyone, neither did the salvation army church die for any one etc

The only person who died for us and brought us with his BLOOD for God, is Christ jesus

" God loved the world so much he sent his only begotten son, that whomsoever exercises faith IN HIM..shall not perish.

Nowhere in scripture does it tell us salvation is dependent on anyone else..in fact scripture states " There is not another name under heaven by which we may be saved ..then Jesus Christ."
little lamb

Australia

#213 Apr 28, 2013
Paul tells us in scripture " he is in childbirth pains until Christ is formed in us'

Christianity has always been about who is in us..rather then what we are in....

" And he who is in us , is greater then he who is in the world'

If the spirit of Christ is in you, he who raised up Christ will make your mortal bodies alive..'

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#214 Apr 28, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>He does not help me defend my position. He is his own man, who has to answer to God. I rely upon the written Word of God, not other men and women. And, they do not rely upon me. I only pay partial attention to the majority of postings. Some fundamentalist Christians are too caustic in their hatred of evil, and do not know how to balance their temperament with mercy. You need to stop focusing on them, and worry about your relationship with the Lord God. If today were your last day on this earth, are you certain you would be in Heaven? I am. www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
Perhaps you need to take your own advice and stop focusing on people who just happen to believe differently to you, such as whether or not I have a relationship with the god you believe in. Well I don't have relationships with things I don't believe in, so you don't need to worry about that any more, I'm fine thank you very much. As for those fundamentalists who are "too caustic in their hatred of evil", I would say it is more a case of being too caustic in their hatred, because they seem to consider everything that is outside their blinkered belief system as evil and going through life with such negativity towards others only makes them seem intolerant and sanctimonious. I have many good Christian friends and there are good Christians here on Topix too, but I'm afraid I can't say the same about fundamentalists. You talk about balancing temperament with mercy, well I see little or none of that coming from the fundies who post here on Topix. With them it's all about "evil" non believers being cast into the "lake of fire" and they seem positively elated at the prospect. When people of faith stop focusing on me and others, interfering and telling us how to live our lives, then I will stop focusing on them. That's a deal!
little lamb

Port Augusta, Australia

#215 Apr 28, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps you need to take your own advice and stop focusing on people who just happen to believe differently to you, such as whether or not I have a relationship with the god you believe in. Well I don't have relationships with things I don't believe in, so you don't need to worry about that any more, I'm fine thank you very much. As for those fundamentalists who are "too caustic in their hatred of evil", I would say it is more a case of being too caustic in their hatred, because they seem to consider everything that is outside their blinkered belief system as evil and going through life with such negativity towards others only makes them seem intolerant and sanctimonious. I have many good Christian friends and there are good Christians here on Topix too, but I'm afraid I can't say the same about fundamentalists. You talk about balancing temperament with mercy, well I see little or none of that coming from the fundies who post here on Topix. With them it's all about "evil" non believers being cast into the "lake of fire" and they seem positively elated at the prospect. When people of faith stop focusing on me and others, interfering and telling us how to live our lives, then I will stop focusing on them. That's a deal!
You are allowed you opinions ...but its rather amazing you are doing the same thing to people who think different to you as you accuse them of doing...

Telling people what scriptures say...is only interfering when your conscience becomes bothered..and it must bother you a lot, to come on a Christian forum and abuse Christians...and try to get them to believe like you do..

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#216 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
You are allowed you opinions ...but its rather amazing you are doing the same thing to people who think different to you as you accuse them of doing...
Telling people what scriptures say...is only interfering when your conscience becomes bothered..and it must bother you a lot, to come on a Christian forum and abuse Christians...and try to get them to believe like you do..
As I have said to you before, you appear to have great difficulty in understanding the written word. I have never once said that people should believe the things I believe and the only reason I have a go at you fundies is because, contrary to what you claim, you do interfere in peoples lives. Do you think that calling people who do not hold your views, evil, abominations, bound for the lake of fire, is not interfering? These people did not ask for your opinion on how they live their lives, but you give it anyway and often in the most derogatory terms. That is interfering and if I want to know what scripture says, I can read it for myself and in fact have done so, so I don't need people like you preaching to me, and what makes you think my conscience is bothered? My life is not a guilt trip like yours appears to be. I don't abuse Christians, there are many good Christians on Topix, it is only the fundie faux Christians who feel abused and that is because they dislike being shown to be the intolerant bigots that they are. You have your beliefs, that's fine, but keep them to yourself, and your lies, then maybe you won't feel so "abused"!

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#217 Apr 29, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad are His Messengers.
As-Salaam Alaikum/Shalom Aleichem/Peace be unto you.
I just wanted to say that though I have converted from being a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to being a follower of the Prophet Noah (pbuh)(I have converted to Sabianism,) I hope that the American media's contention that the Boston bombing suspects are "Chechnyan" (which is a Muslim country) WILL BE ABLE TO BE PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW AND WILL NOT JUST BE A MEDIA CONTENTION!!!
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
PROVE IT, all I read here is a bunch of hot air!!
little lamb

Australia

#218 Apr 29, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have said to you before, you appear to have great difficulty in understanding the written word. I have never once said that people should believe the things I believe and the only reason I have a go at you fundies is because, contrary to what you claim, you do interfere in peoples lives. Do you think that calling people who do not hold your views, evil, abominations, bound for the lake of fire, is not interfering? These people did not ask for your opinion on how they live their lives, but you give it anyway and often in the most derogatory terms. That is interfering and if I want to know what scripture says, I can read it for myself and in fact have done so, so I don't need people like you preaching to me, and what makes you think my conscience is bothered? My life is not a guilt trip like yours appears to be. I don't abuse Christians, there are many good Christians on Topix, it is only the fundie faux Christians who feel abused and that is because they dislike being shown to be the intolerant bigots that they are. You have your beliefs, that's fine, but keep them to yourself, and your lies, then maybe you won't feel so "abused"!
Most Christians quote scripture that says God finds a man laying with a man the same as a woman, an abomination"

Jesus words to his brothers is interesting...

Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready. The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil....

That is why you hate 'fundies' they bear witness to what God says is wicked...and people hate it...and luke warm Christians hold back..because they are frightened of political correctness...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#219 Apr 29, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Most Christians quote scripture that says God finds a man laying with a man the same as a woman, an abomination"
Jesus words to his brothers is interesting...
Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready. The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil....
That is why you hate 'fundies' they bear witness to what God says is wicked...and people hate it...and luke warm Christians hold back..because they are frightened of political correctness...
You fundies are totally fixated with homosexuals. What impact do they have on your life and on your relationships. They certainly have zero effect on my life and I know I have zero effect on their lives and that's how it should be. I realize you get your intolerance from your bible, but homosexuality is not all it disapproves of. I hope you are as critical of Christians and fundies who are on their second or third marriage, I believe the bible considers them adulterers unless it was their partners adultery that caused the divorce. I imagine you could find more than enough Christian adulterers for you to condemn, you know, put your own house in order before starting on anyone else. And btw, I don't hate fundies, I don't hate you. I certainly dislike the sanctimonious attitude of fundies, especially when you call people evil, people that you don't even know, but hate, no, my hate is reserved for anyone who deliberately tries to hurt my family, my loved ones, I wouldn't waste it on a fundie!
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#220 Apr 29, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>More droning from you mouth in attempts to discredit the Papacy, our first Pope, scripture itself, etc.
You fail and will continue to fail.
Jesus promised that the Church He founded will stand until His return.
Not much you can do about it, hon.
Yes, the True Church will stand, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail. The question is who/what is the True Church? If you understand how the Kingdom of God operates, you know that might does not make right, money and power do not impress God and big numbers of converts to Christianity are a fable. Romans Road has advised you multiple times that Jesus Himself warned that FEW will enter Heaven.
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#221 Apr 29, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, what a dishonest answer!
The Bible clearly tells you what to do with astrologers, spiritualists, heathens, etc.: execute them.
Why don't you follow what your Lord God told you to do?
Oh wait, I forgot - that's from the OLD book of lies, not the new one.
Apparently your God changed his mind. ROFL!
No need. The Muslim wave that is going to overtake the Earth, will see to the necessary purging of sinners. No more criminals, homosexuals, drug addicts, etc. Get ready for a wild time upon this big blue marble! As for us fundies, we have a saying about death: "You can't scare me with Heaven!" Jesus died for you and loves you very much :) www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#222 Apr 29, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
You fundies are totally fixated with homosexuals. What impact do they have on your life and on your relationships. They certainly have zero effect on my life and I know I have zero effect on their lives and that's how it should be. I realize you get your intolerance from your bible, but homosexuality is not all it disapproves of. I hope you are as critical of Christians and fundies who are on their second or third marriage, I believe the bible considers them adulterers unless it was their partners adultery that caused the divorce. I imagine you could find more than enough Christian adulterers for you to condemn, you know, put your own house in order before starting on anyone else. And btw, I don't hate fundies, I don't hate you. I certainly dislike the sanctimonious attitude of fundies, especially when you call people evil, people that you don't even know, but hate, no, my hate is reserved for anyone who deliberately tries to hurt my family, my loved ones, I wouldn't waste it on a fundie!
I criticized the inquisitional attitude of fundamentalist Christians in my chapter: "Loving Thy Neighbor?" www.scribd.com/doc/22629976 ...

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