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Since: Dec 12

Bloomington, MN

#1 Apr 19, 2013
I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad are His Messengers.

As-Salaam Alaikum/Shalom Aleichem/Peace be unto you.

I just wanted to say that though I have converted from being a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to being a follower of the Prophet Noah (pbuh)(I have converted to Sabianism,) I hope that the American media's contention that the Boston bombing suspects are "Chechnyan" (which is a Muslim country) WILL BE ABLE TO BE PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW AND WILL NOT JUST BE A MEDIA CONTENTION!!!

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2 Apr 20, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad are His Messengers.
As-Salaam Alaikum/Shalom Aleichem/Peace be unto you.
I just wanted to say that though I have converted from being a follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to being a follower of the Prophet Noah (pbuh)(I have converted to Sabianism,) I hope that the American media's contention that the Boston bombing suspects are "Chechnyan" (which is a Muslim country) WILL BE ABLE TO BE PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW AND WILL NOT JUST BE A MEDIA CONTENTION!!!
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
The Boston Assassins are Muslims.
All most all murderers are Muslim.
Islam is a terrorist murder disease.
little lamb

Australia

#3 Apr 20, 2013
It was the Chechnya Islamic s, who were the ones that bombed the school in Russia, and killed all those little kids...it seems they love to use soft targets...

And as often as the authorities say " not to be prejudice against a group of people' the fact remains it is groups of people driven by the same ideology that do these outrageous killings of innocent people .....in India, in England, in Indonesia ..in fact world wide.

The authorities don't address the ideology that teaches this destructive murderous actions ..for it is written in their own book , to set traps, and snares for the infidel....

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#4 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
It was the Chechnya Islamic s, who were the ones that bombed the school in Russia, and killed all those little kids...it seems they love to use soft targets...
And as often as the authorities say " not to be prejudice against a group of people' the fact remains it is groups of people driven by the same ideology that do these outrageous killings of innocent people .....in India, in England, in Indonesia ..in fact world wide.
The authorities don't address the ideology that teaches this destructive murderous actions ..for it is written in their own book , to set traps, and snares for the infidel....
And the authorities are correct to say not to show prejudice against a group of people because it leads to behaviour like threatening a Muslim woman and her child and the beating unconscious of a man that some thugs took to be an Arab, both attacks in retaliation for the Boston atrocity. How does attacking innocent people help the dead and injured of Boston? Islam has more than its fair share of those within its ranks who are prepared to use their religion as a justification to kill, but to say that all Muslims feel that way is pushing the boundaries of credibility to the limit. I have lived through several decades of violence in Northern Ireland and I know what it is like to be caught up in an IRA terrorist bomb blast and I have known people who were killed as a result of the actions of the IRA and although it is true to say that the IRA came from and received most of its support from within the Catholic community, I also know for a fact that the vast majority of Catholics did not support their murder campaign, so just as I don't blame all Catholics for the IRA'S atrocities, I also don't blame all Muslims for the actions of the Muslim extremists. You also have to remember that the IRA could not have had such a prolonged murder campaign without the financial support from America which donated millions of dollars to the coffers of the IRA enabling them to buy weapons and bomb making materials. By your logic I should blame all Americans for enabling the IRA to continue for so long, but I don't, all Americans are not to blame!
little lamb

Australia

#5 Apr 21, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
And the authorities are correct to say not to show prejudice against a group of people because it leads to behaviour like threatening a Muslim woman and her child and the beating unconscious of a man that some thugs took to be an Arab, both attacks in retaliation for the Boston atrocity. How does attacking innocent people help the dead and injured of Boston? Islam has more than its fair share of those within its ranks who are prepared to use their religion as a justification to kill, but to say that all Muslims feel that way is pushing the boundaries of credibility to the limit. I have lived through several decades of violence in Northern Ireland and I know what it is like to be caught up in an IRA terrorist bomb blast and I have known people who were killed as a result of the actions of the IRA and although it is true to say that the IRA came from and received most of its support from within the Catholic community, I also know for a fact that the vast majority of Catholics did not support their murder campaign, so just as I don't blame all Catholics for the IRA'S atrocities, I also don't blame all Muslims for the actions of the Muslim extremists. You also have to remember that the IRA could not have had such a prolonged murder campaign without the financial support from America which donated millions of dollars to the coffers of the IRA enabling them to buy weapons and bomb making materials. By your logic I should blame all Americans for enabling the IRA to continue for so long, but I don't, all Americans are not to blame!
The fact you obviously missed is the that you could reason with someone in the IRA, that their Holy scripture do not support violence, that Jesus teaches to turn the other cheek

Problem is you can't reason with an Islamic from his book that his prophet tells him to be non violent..in fact the opposite is in their book..their book if they want to be a loyal and true Muslim is to set snares and traps for Christians and Jews.

So just like you find Christians who don't follow scripture and turn the other cheek , its quite possible to find Muslims who don't follow their book either ...its the book that is the problem.

You have even allowed that book into your courtrooms that tell them to commit violence as some sort of legal book equal to the Holy scriptures, that teaches us Love is the greatest gift we have.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#6 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact you obviously missed is the that you could reason with someone in the IRA, that their Holy scripture do not support violence, that Jesus teaches to turn the other cheek
Problem is you can't reason with an Islamic from his book that his prophet tells him to be non violent..in fact the opposite is in their book..their book if they want to be a loyal and true Muslim is to set snares and traps for Christians and Jews.

So just like you find Christians who don't follow scripture and turn the other cheek , its quite possible to find Muslims who don't follow their book either ...its the book that is the problem.

You have even allowed that book into your courtrooms that tell them to commit violence as some sort of legal book equal to the Holy scriptures, that teaches us Love is the greatest gift we have.
Right and wrong. You can reason with many a Muslim...just not the ones who actually dont have much power. These men in charge of various Islamic groups preaching terrorism as a legit means to further their goals - really have no inherent power other than what their "gangs" allow them. Think Mafia, you might negotiate with a middle-level guy into giving up, etc, but he's not gonna have much control over the others. In fact, he will be replaced by someone else eager and willing to do the job.

The best comparison I have come across re; the organizational structure of Muslim "terrorists" - is organized crime. They work their members the same way. Except in the Islamic cases they actually try and train some of their members...unlike the Mafia.

When you have an almost inexhaustible source of soldiers, etc - most of whom are poorly if at all formally educated - living in high unemployment regions - you're not going to find a lot of people to negotiate with.

Now as for Xtians and this lesson of love all - get off the soapbox, cause Xtianity's legacy across the globe is anything but.

You all talk about how REAL Xtians infuse all of their life with their faith, but we never see that when it comes to making a buck off the disadvantaged. Instead what we've seen for centuries, and over the last several decades especially - Xtian men and some women going out to "do business" for the American Free-Market Consumer machine - and no where is there any Xtian ethics being exported into the mix.

The only turning the cheek we see is Xtians turning the cheek to despots, and dictators, clan and tribal leaders who are bought by these business men, Economic Hit men to borrow a term, to oppress their peoples even more.

All so Americans can buy an overpriced $500+ iPhone/pad, etc, etc, that the workers making them have earned a buck a week for...while the CEO's make billions and Americans all go on their merry way ignoring the blood and underage sweat that was spent making their stupid device so we can post some negativity on a web-site (like Topix!!!) while taking a dump!

American Xtians like to claim we're a Xtian based nation, infused with Xtian ethics and morals - but apparently that only applies to very narrow and shallow places. And most certainly not in the business place/markets.

Why hasn't this Xtian Nation done business around the globe as if Jesus was watching? Hell, why dont we do it here!?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#7 Apr 21, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
And the authorities are correct to say not to show prejudice against a group of people because it leads to behaviour like threatening a Muslim woman and her child and the beating unconscious of a man that some thugs took to be an Arab, both attacks in retaliation for the Boston atrocity. How does attacking innocent people help the dead and injured of Boston? Islam has more than its fair share of those within its ranks who are prepared to use their religion as a justification to kill, but to say that all Muslims feel that way is pushing the boundaries of credibility to the limit. I have lived through several decades of violence in Northern Ireland and I know what it is like to be caught up in an IRA terrorist bomb blast and I have known people who were killed as a result of the actions of the IRA and although it is true to say that the IRA came from and received most of its support from within the Catholic community, I also know for a fact that the vast majority of Catholics did not support their murder campaign, so just as I don't blame all Catholics for the IRA'S atrocities, I also don't blame all Muslims for the actions of the Muslim extremists. You also have to remember that the IRA could not have had such a prolonged murder campaign without the financial support from America which donated millions of dollars to the coffers of the IRA enabling them to buy weapons and bomb making materials. By your logic I should blame all Americans for enabling the IRA to continue for so long, but I don't, all Americans are not to blame!
IMO, and some people I know who "where there" - the IRA, and the Protestant side "war" would not have lasted so long if not for all the American money being sent to support the "old country." Lots of native Irish came and courted their American brothers for money and resources for a long time.

My parents told me of all the times in some restaurant/bar in NYC, Brooklyn, etc, where the hat would be passed to support the widows and children being persecuted back by home by the Crown. Where the reality was that money went right into the pockets of the IRA, etc...

Thankfully my parents never contributed and eventually stopped socializing with those American Irish family and friends.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#8 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy scriptures, that teaches us Love is the greatest gift we have.
No, its the empathy and keen desire to pull people out of their desperate lives - thru the real application of democratic ideals. Love might enter for some, but its a silly notion that we can love everyone. And the spreading of love is certainly not the legacy of Xtian-dom.

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#9 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
It was the Chechnya Islamic s, who were the ones that bombed the school in Russia, and killed all those little kids...it seems they love to use soft targets...
And as often as the authorities say " not to be prejudice against a group of people' the fact remains it is groups of people driven by the same ideology that do these outrageous killings of innocent people .....in India, in England, in Indonesia ..in fact world wide.
The authorities don't address the ideology that teaches this destructive murderous actions ..for it is written in their own book , to set traps, and snares for the infidel....
And in Norway 2011 it was a "christian crusader" who car bombed and then went on a shooting spree that killed 77 people mostly teens I believe.

The problem is crazy fundies.

Muslim Terrorists are to Islam, what Westboro Baptist Church or the KKK is to christianity.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#10 Apr 21, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>IMO, and some people I know who "where there" - the IRA, and the Protestant side "war" would not have lasted so long if not for all the American money being sent to support the "old country." Lots of native Irish came and courted their American brothers for money and resources for a long time.
My parents told me of all the times in some restaurant/bar in NYC, Brooklyn, etc, where the hat would be passed to support the widows and children being persecuted back by home by the Crown. Where the reality was that money went right into the pockets of the IRA, etc...
Thankfully my parents never contributed and eventually stopped socializing with those American Irish family and friends.
Of course "the troubles" as the conflict was called, was not just about American support for the Provisional IRA, the Republican and Loyalist paramilitary groups were in fact the biggest enemies of the people of Northern Ireland. Each group claiming ostensibly to protect the members of their own community, either Catholic or Protestant, but they were more like the mafia, often involved in drugs and protection rackets and dispensed "justice" to people in their own community, such as shooting them in both knees and ankles for what they ironically called anti social behaviour.
Thankfully those days are passed and although we still have a few madmen trying to continue an armed struggle, they have very little support from anyone. We have come a long way as we now have some ex paramilitaries in government, the Deputy First Minister being Martin McGuinness, who at one time was OC of the IRA in Derry. It is a hard pill for some to wallow, but I for one am glad to see him involved in legitimate politics rather than the politics of the gun and the bomb!

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#11 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact you obviously missed is the that you could reason with someone in the IRA, that their Holy scripture do not support violence, that Jesus teaches to turn the other cheek
Problem is you can't reason with an Islamic from his book that his prophet tells him to be non violent..in fact the opposite is in their book..their book if they want to be a loyal and true Muslim is to set snares and traps for Christians and Jews.
So just like you find Christians who don't follow scripture and turn the other cheek , its quite possible to find Muslims who don't follow their book either ...its the book that is the problem.
You have even allowed that book into your courtrooms that tell them to commit violence as some sort of legal book equal to the Holy scriptures, that teaches us Love is the greatest gift we have.
What you obviously missed is that the Loyalist and Republican terror groups did not give a rats arse about your holy book. The fact that a peaceful settlement was eventually reached had absolutely nothing to do with a belief in some holy book. You are very naive!

Since: Dec 12

Bloomington, MN

#12 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
It was the Chechnya Islamic s, who were the ones that bombed the school in Russia, and killed all those little kids...it seems they love to use soft targets...
And as often as the authorities say " not to be prejudice against a group of people' the fact remains it is groups of people driven by the same ideology that do these outrageous killings of innocent people .....in India, in England, in Indonesia ..in fact world wide.
The authorities don't address the ideology that teaches this destructive murderous actions ..for it is written in their own book , to set traps, and snares for the infidel....
You could not PROVE any of your claims...all you have is that the media said it and this is the same media that says that Louis Farrakhan is anti-White, anti-Semetic, etc, whic is all LIES.

Let your claims be PROVEN in a court of law and not the court of public opinion...

Since: Dec 12

Bloomington, MN

#13 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact you obviously missed is the that you could reason with someone in the IRA, that their Holy scripture do not support violence, that Jesus teaches to turn the other cheek
Problem is you can't reason with an Islamic from his book that his prophet tells him to be non violent..in fact the opposite is in their book..their book if they want to be a loyal and true Muslim is to set snares and traps for Christians and Jews.
So just like you find Christians who don't follow scripture and turn the other cheek , its quite possible to find Muslims who don't follow their book either ...its the book that is the problem.
You have even allowed that book into your courtrooms that tell them to commit violence as some sort of legal book equal to the Holy scriptures, that teaches us Love is the greatest gift we have.
You are lying here: "...their book if they want to be a loyal and true Muslim is to set snares and traps for Christians and Jews" AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO PRODUCE A SCRIPTURE FROM THE QUR'AN TO VERY YOUR *LIE.*

This is what the Holy Qur'an says about fighting & the treatment of people (that Muslims must NEVER be aggressors (they must fight only in self defense) and that they must treat everyone who does not fight them for their religion nor drive them from their homes with respect, kindness, and justice:)

Holy Qur'an 2:190: "And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors."

Holy Qur'an 60:8-9: "(8)Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice.(9)Allah forbids you only respecting those who fight you for religion, and drive you forth from your homes and help (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends of them; and whoever makes friends of them, these are the wrongdoers."
little lamb

Australia

#14 Apr 21, 2013
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
What you obviously missed is that the Loyalist and Republican terror groups did not give a rats arse about your holy book. The fact that a peaceful settlement was eventually reached had absolutely nothing to do with a belief in some holy book. You are very naive!
Then you can't use Christianity, as an excuse for their crimes..because it was more political and nationalistic, that led them to crime.

So politics and nationalism are just as much ideologies as Christianity and Islamic's... these are just men who leave God out of their endeavors,,,glad you straightened that up.

Because Islamics in their crime don't leave their God out , they do what they do because of their god.
little lamb

Australia

#15 Apr 21, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Right and wrong. You can reason with many a Muslim...just not the ones who actually dont have much power. These men in charge of various Islamic groups preaching terrorism as a legit means to further their goals - really have no inherent power other than what their "gangs" allow them. Think Mafia, you might negotiate with a middle-level guy into giving up, etc, but he's not gonna have much control over the others. In fact, he will be replaced by someone else eager and willing to do the job.
The best comparison I have come across re; the organizational structure of Muslim "terrorists" - is organized crime. They work their members the same way. Except in the Islamic cases they actually try and train some of their members...unlike the Mafia.
When you have an almost inexhaustible source of soldiers, etc - most of whom are poorly if at all formally educated - living in high unemployment regions - you're not going to find a lot of people to negotiate with.
Now as for Xtians and this lesson of love all - get off the soapbox, cause Xtianity's legacy across the globe is anything but.
You all talk about how REAL Xtians infuse all of their life with their faith, but we never see that when it comes to making a buck off the disadvantaged. Instead what we've seen for centuries, and over the last several decades especially - Xtian men and some women going out to "do business" for the American Free-Market Consumer machine - and no where is there any Xtian ethics being exported into the mix.
The only turning the cheek we see is Xtians turning the cheek to despots, and dictators, clan and tribal leaders who are bought by these business men, Economic Hit men to borrow a term, to oppress their peoples even more.
All so Americans can buy an overpriced $500+ iPhone/pad, etc, etc, that the workers making them have earned a buck a week for...while the CEO's make billions and Americans all go on their merry way ignoring the blood and underage sweat that was spent making their stupid device so we can post some negativity on a web-site (like Topix!!!) while taking a dump!
American Xtians like to claim we're a Xtian based nation, infused with Xtian ethics and morals - but apparently that only applies to very narrow and shallow places. And most certainly not in the business place/markets.
Why hasn't this Xtian Nation done business around the globe as if Jesus was watching? Hell, why dont we do it here!?
I don't believe America or Australia are Christian countries anymore ...

so where do you get that idea from..

i do believe that it was Christian ideas that influenced these societies to start with..

but no Christian would have involved themselves in the commercial business of life...because a Christian is called to follow Christ and he set no example of such...

Think you are confused by these big organized structures of religion ...which don't represent Jesus at all.

What you paint is a terrible situation which Jesus himself knew would happen...as he said " When the son of man arrives, will he really find the FAITH on earth."??
little lamb

Australia

#16 Apr 21, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
<quoted text>
And in Norway 2011 it was a "christian crusader" who car bombed and then went on a shooting spree that killed 77 people mostly teens I believe.
The problem is crazy fundies.
Muslim Terrorists are to Islam, what Westboro Baptist Church or the KKK is to christianity.
The difference is that the fellow in Norway , can not use scripture to establish his crime..because in the scriptures we are taught " thou shalt not kill [murder] and ' turn the other cheek' and 'love your enemy ' so his actions were not inspired of scripture but came from his own distorted thinking.

Same with the KKK..scripture tells us " one who despises his fellow man despises god who created him and is sinning."
little lamb

Australia

#17 Apr 21, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>No, its the empathy and keen desire to pull people out of their desperate lives - thru the real application of democratic ideals. Love might enter for some, but its a silly notion that we can love everyone. And the spreading of love is certainly not the legacy of Xtian-dom.
When I first became a Christian I believed that i would "love' everyone..I lasted about a week..and i found out people annoyed me, irritated me, and thought I was some sort of sucker of sentimentality.

So it was then when I confessed to God that I did not love as I thought I should, that he said to me ' are you ready for me to train you"

its then I found out that Christianity is a discipleship and not a religion..

it was then that I found out that love shows itself in action and not feelings..Its then i found out feelings can be wrong and that self control is one of the fruits of the spirit ,

because we can't even trust ourselves..Its then I learned we have limitations, and that we are not paragons of goodness

its there I learned that to love others means to obey Gods commandments..because if you love someone , you will not steal from them, neither will you desire their possessions..and all the other commandments of God that give us the skills of handling LIFE..

And its not sentimental feelings but a determined disciplined life.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#18 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe America or Australia are Christian countries anymore ...
so where do you get that idea from..
i do believe that it was Christian ideas that influenced these societies to start with..
Australia was founded as a penal colony - tell me, do good Christians ship lepers and criminals off to another country, or do they try to heal them/rehabilitate them?

And America was founded as a slave-owning nation dependent on a slave-owning economy - do good Christians enslave other people and profit from their labor?

If so, then I agree - kicking lepers out of the country and enslaving people are Christian ideas.

Thanks for clearing that up.
little lamb

Australia

#19 Apr 21, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are lying here: "...their book if they want to be a loyal and true Muslim is to set snares and traps for Christians and Jews" AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO PRODUCE A SCRIPTURE FROM THE QUR'AN TO VERY YOUR *LIE.*
This is what the Holy Qur'an says about fighting & the treatment of people (that Muslims must NEVER be aggressors (they must fight only in self defense) and that they must treat everyone who does not fight them for their religion nor drive them from their homes with respect, kindness, and justice:)
Holy Qur'an 2:190: "And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors."
Holy Qur'an 60:8-9: "(8)Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice.(9)Allah forbids you only respecting those who fight you for religion, and drive you forth from your homes and help (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends of them; and whoever makes friends of them, these are the wrongdoers."
From your foul book the sura...

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them. 5:51

Then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war…9:5

Fight those who do not believe in Allah … until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. 9:29

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#20 Apr 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
When I first became a Christian I believed that i would "love' everyone..I lasted about a week..and i found out people annoyed me, irritated me, and thought I was some sort of sucker of sentimentality.
So it was then when I confessed to God that I did not love as I thought I should, that he said to me ' are you ready for me to train you"
its then I found out that Christianity is a discipleship and not a religion..
it was then that I found out that love shows itself in action and not feelings..Its then i found out feelings can be wrong and that self control is one of the fruits of the spirit ,
because we can't even trust ourselves..Its then I learned we have limitations, and that we are not paragons of goodness
its there I learned that to love others means to obey Gods commandments..because if you love someone , you will not steal from them, neither will you desire their possessions..and all the other commandments of God that give us the skills of handling LIFE..
And its not sentimental feelings but a determined disciplined life.
A beautiful description, Little Lamb. Well said... God bless you.

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