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CMWJess

Germany

#1 Jan 7, 2013
John 13:34

"A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."

If Jesus said this then why do us Christians have such a hard time with this? It is a simple concept is it not?? Love others as I have loved you... there are NO exceptions to this rule... its not love them if they follow all the commandments, love them if they go to church, love them if they do volunteer work or follow what the church says. Jesus says "love them as I have loved you." Why is it conditional? Jesus did not come to earth to help those that have the food, water, shelter, and are on the right path, he came to help and love on those who need guidance and love and rolemodels. What good are we doing loving those that everyone else loves? How is that spreading love? its not... we need to love those that the world hates, love those that spit in our faces and love those that have even killed others. Jesus wants us to follow in his footsteps... He ate with the tax collectors, saved the adultress from being stoned, and talked EVEN told the thief that was hanging next to him on the cross that he would see him in Heaven. HOW can we, as Christians go against this? Where can you go wrong from loving everyone? To exclude people from the love that we are to show is to exclude them from help and the possibility of getting better.

www.christsmercywarriors.com

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#2 Jan 7, 2013
CMWJess wrote:
John 13:34
"A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."
If Jesus said this then why do us Christians have such a hard time with this? It is a simple concept is it not?? Love others as I have loved you... there are NO exceptions to this rule... its not love them if they follow all the commandments, love them if they go to church, love them if they do volunteer work or follow what the church says. Jesus says "love them as I have loved you." Why is it conditional? Jesus did not come to earth to help those that have the food, water, shelter, and are on the right path, he came to help and love on those who need guidance and love and rolemodels. What good are we doing loving those that everyone else loves? How is that spreading love? its not... we need to love those that the world hates, love those that spit in our faces and love those that have even killed others. Jesus wants us to follow in his footsteps... He ate with the tax collectors, saved the adultress from being stoned, and talked EVEN told the thief that was hanging next to him on the cross that he would see him in Heaven. HOW can we, as Christians go against this? Where can you go wrong from loving everyone? To exclude people from the love that we are to show is to exclude them from help and the possibility of getting better.
www.christsmercywarriors.com
IMHO the word "warrior" in the title of the above link and the website it points to does not imply love.

“so tell me......”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#3 Jan 8, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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IMHO the word "warrior" in the title of the above link and the website it points to does not imply love.
I think it depends on the war that is being fought. The war on want or fighting injustice could stem from love.
CMWJess

Germany

#4 Jan 8, 2013
Are we not warriors for Christ? Does the Bible not tell us to put the armor of God? Did you go to the site and look at it and see what it is about? If you did you would see this... The site is about fighting for those for those that people turn their back so on, that no one else will love... To show God's mercy, to help those who are struggling through those who have struggled... it is a battle, its God against Satan.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#5 Jan 8, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>I think it depends on the war that is being fought. The war on want or fighting injustice could stem from love.
The OP was saying Christians should love everyone. I merely pointed out having a website called Christian Mercy Warriors appeared to be at odds with this. Also, if one has a warrior / war mindset then it is more likely one is concentrating on beating those they disagree with. IMHO discussion is a better approach because it allows one to negotiate a win / win situation where both 'sides' are happy.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#6 Jan 8, 2013
CMWJess wrote:
Are we not warriors for Christ?
You may be. I have a naturalistic world-view.
CMWJess wrote:
Does the Bible not tell us to put the armor of God?
Don't you know?
CMWJess wrote:
Did you go to the site and look at it and see what it is about? If you did you would see this... The site is about fighting for those for those that people turn their back so on, that no one else will love...
I understand the aims of your website. I assume you are including those people (crack-heads, prostitutes, muggers, rapists, etc) who have hit rock bottom due to their own poor decision making?
CMWJess wrote:
To show God's mercy, to help those who are struggling through those who have struggled... it is a battle, its God against Satan.
This is what you said in your opening post.

"A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."

If Jesus said this then why do us Christians have such a hard time with this? It is a simple concept is it not?? Love others as I have loved you... there are NO exceptions to this rule.."

If, as you claim, there are no exemptions then surely, from the perspective of your world-view, you should also be loving "Satan".

Since: Jan 13

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#7 Jan 8, 2013
"Love" is a human emotion and when out of control or mis-directed brings about a great deal of harm, just as ill-directed and out of control anger, hatred, and lust doe's.

“so tell me......”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#8 Jan 8, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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The OP was saying Christians should love everyone. I merely pointed out having a website called Christian Mercy Warriors appeared to be at odds with this. Also, if one has a warrior / war mindset then it is more likely one is concentrating on beating those they disagree with. IMHO discussion is a better approach because it allows one to negotiate a win / win situation where both 'sides' are happy.
You could be right. Still waiting for the discussions on here to produce a win/win situation but not holding my breath on that.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#9 Jan 8, 2013
We are to Love One Another as believers, but we are not to approve of others lifestyles if its outside of the bible.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#10 Jan 8, 2013
Ant wrote:
We are to Love One Another as believers, but we are not to approve of others lifestyles if its outside of the bible.
Yes, this is standard fundamentalist eisegesis on this: "Jesus meant we should love OTHER CHRISTIANS or those who believe like us, not EVERYONE!"
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#11 Jan 8, 2013
CMWJess wrote:
Are we not warriors for Christ? Does the Bible not tell us to put the armor of God? Did you go to the site and look at it and see what it is about? If you did you would see this... The site is about fighting for those for those that people turn their back so on, that no one else will love... To show God's mercy, to help those who are struggling through those who have struggled... it is a battle, its God against Satan.
I think people are saying that you cannot genuinely love unconditionally and still see yourself in a black and white battle to the death against "Evil," etc.

Jesus said "Love God and love your neighbor." He doesn't say hate Satan or hate anyone. Because that would make you, at least in part, a HATER, wouldn't it?
Sola Scriptura

United States

#12 Jan 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Yes, this is standard fundamentalist eisegesis on this: "Jesus meant we should love OTHER CHRISTIANS or those who believe like us, not EVERYONE!"
Just for you honey buns...

Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

So I guess you are out.

Since: Jan 13

Riyadh,Saudi Arabia

#13 Jan 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Yes, this is standard fundamentalist eisegesis on this: "Jesus meant we should love OTHER CHRISTIANS or those who believe like us, not EVERYONE!"
While I'm not a christian (I'm of a different faith), I'd like to ask a serious question to the "love everyone" crowd.

How do I properly express love to the dis-respectful armed crack dealers whom live down the block from me?

Or what about the crack-heads around here whom have proven that their willing to steal ANYTHING not chained down?

(Btw, obviously I'm no longer in Saudi--I currently live in the South Eastern US)

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#14 Jan 8, 2013
Love is trying to keep people out of eternal Hellfire and Damnation.

Love tries to correct and warn someone when they are heading down a wrong path.

Love is telling people the truth to help them despite knowing that they may get upset with you.
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Love is Jesus leaving the glory of Heaven, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, offered up that sinless life to make atonement for sins of mankind, died and rose from the dead........He shed His blood for our sins.
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1 Timothy 1:15- This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

2 Corinthians 5:21- For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Colossians 1:14- In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
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“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#15 Jan 8, 2013
continued......

Love is John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Love is Jesus dying for our sins:
John 15:13- Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Since: Jan 13

Riyadh,Saudi Arabia

#16 Jan 8, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
Love is trying to keep people out of eternal Hellfire and Damnation.
Love tries to correct and warn someone when they are heading down a wrong path.
Love is telling people the truth to help them despite knowing that they may get upset with you.
What if I tell the truth to the crack-dealers or the crack-heads in my neighborhood and they assault me--then what?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#17 Jan 8, 2013
Al-Haneef wrote:
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What if I tell the truth to the crack-dealers or the crack-heads in my neighborhood and they assault me--then what?
You could gain much from reading bios of Dr. Martin Luther King and of Mahatma Ghandi. They were clubbed over the head, but ultimately they won and they changed the world, didn't they?.

Since: Jan 13

Riyadh,Saudi Arabia

#18 Jan 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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You could gain much from reading bios of Dr. Martin Luther King and of Mahatma Ghandi. They were clubbed over the head, but ultimately they won and they changed the world, didn't they?.
Been there, done that. They were good examples of persistent, non-violent protest, but they did't neccesarily love everyone. And here's a little known fact, something that gets little air-time: By todays standards, Ghandi--whom lived in Africa for a number of years--was a racist, lol.

And also, MLK's and Ghandi's tactics only work when dealing with certain kinds of people, i.e, Anglos, etc. Try that approach with the Taliban or in parts of Africa, places where strength and manliness aren't politically incorrect yet, also places where ignorance prevails, and they'd slaughter you and write poems and songs glorifying your slaughter thereafter, lol, seriously.

I do, however, get your point.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#19 Jan 8, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>I think it depends on the war that is being fought. The war on want or fighting injustice could stem from love.
Trouble is when humans use the term War so much, and so flippantly - it supports the thinking that all is fair in war (and love - to complete the phrase)

We Humans, and especially Americans, wage way too many wars on way too many things. Waging wars implies knee-jerk reactions, emotional reactions to insults, etc that are typically minor and blown out of proportion by the one claiming offense. It implies that force is to be used and in most cases indiscriminately - till someone begs for mercy.

But then of course there's that line where Jesus compares himself to a Sword...which of course has been immensely over-used by zealot Xtians everywhere - claiming themselves to the Sword of their God.

2000 years later and considering the negative side of Xtian history - its time Xtians drop the War, Warrior and Sword metaphors and analogies...and maybe focus way more on the Love others stuff. Way more!
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#20 Jan 8, 2013
Al-Haneef wrote:
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Been there, done that. They were good examples of persistent, non-violent protest, but they did't neccesarily love everyone. And here's a little known fact, something that gets little air-time: By todays standards, Ghandi--whom lived in Africa for a number of years--was a racist, lol.
And also, MLK's and Ghandi's tactics only work when dealing with certain kinds of people, i.e, Anglos, etc. Try that approach with the Taliban or in parts of Africa, places where strength and manliness aren't politically incorrect yet, also places where ignorance prevails, and they'd slaughter you and write poems and songs glorifying your slaughter thereafter, lol, seriously.
I do, however, get your point.
While I agree with some of your points - think about this.

For how long and how far would those you mention go should the people they abuse actually protest in large numbers right in their faces...? Should large numbers of women and children start to protest - how far and how long do you think these men (its always men) would go? Do you think they would kill them all, and keep it up till no one was left?

Obviously its a "What If?" - but its an interesting one to consider. Especially in light of what is going on in India after the rape/murder of that girl.

IMO, the next wave of any real Revolution and advancement in the Human Condition has to come from the female populations. Has to...in all cultures, even the US. We are reaching a serious moment in the Human situation...how much longer are Women going to tolerate their extreme second, third class status...?

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