If God is good, why is He missing an ...
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#144 Sep 18, 2013
Idontbelieveinman wrote:
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If God created everything, then how did He not create evil? If evil "entered" into the world, does this mean that God is not all powerful?
Satan was an accident of creation. He was not a deliberately created spiritual being. He was the first man and was the antithesis of God. His creation was a necessary evil in the creative process. God is ultimately responsible for evil because God created it.
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#145 Sep 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Satan was an accident of creation. He was not a deliberately created spiritual being. He was the first man and was the antithesis of God. His creation was a necessary evil in the creative process. God is ultimately responsible for evil because God created it.
Prove it with more than your words lol

*waits for you to not respond to this*
Cisco Kid

United States

#146 Sep 18, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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My God is responsible for EVERYTHING in existence. My God knows beginning from END. Nothing goes down without Him knowing. Nothing that goes on now, does He NOT know was going down.
Then again, I worship and aknowledge the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You most likely worship Jesus lol
So you think God is responsible for inflicting deadly cancer on innocent children?

You think God is responsible for Jihadis flying airplanes into the world Trade Centers on 9/11?

You think God is responsible for Muslim extremists throwing acid into little girls faces for attending school?

You think God is responsible for the deadly Chem-attacks killing Syrian women and children?

You are sadly mistaken.

You need to come to Jesus, God come as man, and learn truth.
Cisco Kid

United States

#147 Sep 18, 2013
Idontbelieveinman wrote:
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If God created everything, then how did He not create evil? If evil "entered" into the world, does this mean that God is not all powerful?
Evil is not a creation.
Evil is an intentional action by creatures endowed with free will.

God is all powerful, mankind and some angels have proven to be fallible.
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#148 Sep 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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So you think God is responsible for inflicting deadly cancer on innocent children?
You think God is responsible for Jihadis flying airplanes into the world Trade Centers on 9/11?
You think God is responsible for Muslim extremists throwing acid into little girls faces for attending school?
You think God is responsible for the deadly Chem-attacks killing Syrian women and children?
You are sadly mistaken.
You need to come to Jesus, God come as man, and learn truth.
Everything happens to the will of God according to well, God Himself unless Isaiah was a false prophet. Or unless Isaiah made up (along with other prophets) the God of Abraham.

Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say,'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

Oh and that would be YOUR god that came as a man named Jesus. Not mine.
Cisco Kid

United States

#149 Sep 18, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Everything happens to the will of God according to well, God Himself unless Isaiah was a false prophet. Or unless Isaiah made up (along with other prophets) the God of Abraham.
Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say,'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
So you think Isaiah was including the multitude of mankind's errors in that prophecy?

The how do you explain God's reaction to the Israelites at EX. 32:7-14?

"The LORD said to Moses,
“Go down at once to your people,
whom you brought out of the land of Egypt,
for they have become depraved.
They have soon turned aside from the way I pointed out to them,
making for themselves a molten calf and worshiping it,
sacrificing to it and crying out,
‘This is your God, O Israel,
who brought you out of the land of Egypt!’

“I see how stiff-necked this people is,” continued the LORD to Moses.
Let me alone, then,
that my wrath may blaze up against them to consume them.
Then I will make of you a great nation.”

But Moses implored the LORD, his God, saying,
“Why, O LORD, should your wrath blaze up against your own people,
whom you brought out of the land of Egypt
with such great power and with so strong a hand?

Why should the Egyptians say,‘With evil intent he brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains and wipe them off the face of the earth’? Turn from your burning wrath; change your mind about punishing your people.

Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac, and Israel,
and how you swore to them by your own self, saying,
‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky;
and all this land that I promised,
I will give your descendants as their perpetual heritage.’”

So the LORD relented in the punishment
he had threatened to inflict on his people."
Flygerian wrote:
Oh and that would be YOUR god that came as a man named Jesus. Not mine.
So you say.
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#150 Sep 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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So you think Isaiah was including the multitude of mankind's errors in that prophecy?
The how do you explain God's reaction to the Israelites at EX. 32:7-14?
"The LORD said to Moses,
“Go down at once to your people,
whom you brought out of the land of Egypt,
for they have become depraved.
They have soon turned aside from the way I pointed out to them,
making for themselves a molten calf and worshiping it,
sacrificing to it and crying out,
‘This is your God, O Israel,
who brought you out of the land of Egypt!’
“I see how stiff-necked this people is,” continued the LORD to Moses.
Let me alone, then,
that my wrath may blaze up against them to consume them.
Then I will make of you a great nation.”
But Moses implored the LORD, his God, saying,
“Why, O LORD, should your wrath blaze up against your own people,
whom you brought out of the land of Egypt
with such great power and with so strong a hand?
Why should the Egyptians say,‘With evil intent he brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains and wipe them off the face of the earth’? Turn from your burning wrath; change your mind about punishing your people.
Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac, and Israel,
and how you swore to them by your own self, saying,
‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky;
and all this land that I promised,
I will give your descendants as their perpetual heritage.’”
So the LORD relented in the punishment
he had threatened to inflict on his people."
So does God know beginning from end like He said to Isaiah? If no you're calling Him or at least Isaiah a liar. But I dont think you would do that so what exactly are you saying?
Cisco Kid wrote:
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So you say.
Yes I do. Just as Jesus did lol

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#151 Sep 18, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So then you see that religion is not the problem correct? But people that USE religion to suit their needs. And their needs usually have to do with MONEY/POWER. THAT is the problem. GREED. And GREED is in people of ALL backgrounds. Religious and atheist alike.
I am not going to argue about the greed seen at either side, but the problem with those who believe in the religious traditions is that they are in a larger scale pushing the responsibility over to their God and the belief that everything will grow into “heaven”, especially for them.
A tree will never grow into heaven; it will always stop at some level and sooner or later die.
And a pyramid is a perfect symbolic example on what humans can achieve, how far we can go.
And I am aware of this underestimated law of chaos; how everything originates from chaos and goes away into chaos.
Time seems to be under this law, heat is a good example, but everything that is will fall apart sooner or later.
All that we can do is to protect what we have and try to make things last by working together instead of competing, grabbing and abusing.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#152 Sep 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Prove it with more than your words lol
*waits for you to not respond to this*
This will be proven when the Messiah comes. Satan has been reincarnated and will be executed by the Messiah. Isaiah 27:1 "In that day, the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword, shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent, and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea". Isaiah 27:1. Hell is a sea and Satan is the Messiahs father. The serpent is a part of his anatomy.
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#153 Sep 19, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>This will be proven when the Messiah comes. Satan has been reincarnated and will be executed by the Messiah. Isaiah 27:1 "In that day, the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword, shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent, and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea". Isaiah 27:1. Hell is a sea and Satan is the Messiahs father. The serpent is a part of his anatomy.
I was just wondering if you could prove your statement using more of your own words. I believe what I wanted proof of is the "accidental" part. Nonetheless I was correct in my assumption that you could not.

Btw didnt you tell me that YOU were the messiah?
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#154 Sep 19, 2013
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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I am not going to argue about the greed seen at either side, but the problem with those who believe in the religious traditions is that they are in a larger scale pushing the responsibility over to their God and the belief that everything will grow into “heaven”, especially for them.
I wouldnt say all do this. But I most certainly agree. There are christians being lax because they believe Jesus will come out the sky to save them. Same with Muslims and Jews (except Jews believe in their own messiah). So I agree with that and that is a large part of the problem. But not the CRUX of the problem
Mr Ironhart wrote:
All that we can do is to protect what we have and try to make things last by working together instead of competing, grabbing and abusing.
Seems like we're on the same page then. Because I agree with this statement as well. The question is (if you dont mind me asking) why you dont believe God exists?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#155 Sep 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I was just wondering if you could prove your statement using more of your own words. I believe what I wanted proof of is the "accidental" part. Nonetheless I was correct in my assumption that you could not.
Btw didnt you tell me that YOU were the messiah?
When I was born, my grandfather wrote to my father and said, "We breed by antithesis". In order for God to reproduce himself, he had to create an evil being. Adam was the son Of God. He earned the title of "Satan" because, as the first man, he had tremendous power and influence over humanity. He also beget and spiritually shaped the Messiah. By "spiritually", I mean emotionally and mentally.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#156 Sep 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I wouldnt say all do this. But I most certainly agree. There are christians being lax because they believe Jesus will come out the sky to save them. Same with Muslims and Jews (except Jews believe in their own messiah). So I agree with that and that is a large part of the problem. But not the CRUX of the problem
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Seems like we're on the same page then. Because I agree with this statement as well. The question is (if you dont mind me asking) why you dont believe God exists?
I am sure that you won’t like my explanations on why I don’t believe in a God, but there are two main reasons.

The most common idea about the origin of everything is the Big Bang which is the ultimate chaos. And how things developed from this beginning is very well and convincingly explained step by step so to say, how stars formed, how the stars processed all the elements of matter, how these matters came together little by little and emerged into chemicals known as the components of life, and next the evolution of life.

Then secondly it is the philosophical question; why a God would create life so difficult, I would say “upside down” when I on my side could easily think of less complicated plan for it if I would have had the opportunity to do so.

Because of that I believe in chaos and the evolution of chaos and that our hope in this world is to find a best way for us to cope up with chaos.

And it appears to me that we are not ready for it yet due to the reasons we have been discussing before, we are a kind of half way there, human nature is a problem but better knowledge and will to cooperate could help us some.

No one will come to our rescue; we have to do it on our own.
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#157 Sep 19, 2013
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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I am sure that you won’t like my explanations on why I don’t believe in a God, but there are two main reasons.
The most common idea about the origin of everything is the Big Bang which is the ultimate chaos. And how things developed from this beginning is very well and convincingly explained step by step so to say, how stars formed, how the stars processed all the elements of matter, how these matters came together little by little and emerged into chemicals known as the components of life, and next the evolution of life.
Then secondly it is the philosophical question; why a God would create life so difficult, I would say “upside down” when I on my side could easily think of less complicated plan for it if I would have had the opportunity to do so.
Because of that I believe in chaos and the evolution of chaos and that our hope in this world is to find a best way for us to cope up with chaos.
And it appears to me that we are not ready for it yet due to the reasons we have been discussing before, we are a kind of half way there, human nature is a problem but better knowledge and will to cooperate could help us some.
No one will come to our rescue; we have to do it on our own.
Im not sure what you mean by "like your explanation". I dont have to. Nor do I care to. No offense Im just saying this is YOUR reasoning so it doesnt matter whether they like it or not.

But just so I can see where YOU'RE coming from, you're saying because the world is in chaos that you do not believe that God exists?
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#158 Sep 19, 2013
As well sir Ironhart, consider this scenario. Im your child and I see the corporations doing evil to uplift themselves when it comes to finances and power. I ask you:

"If there is no God, whats the point of being good when evil gets you success?"

What would your answer be? Please consider that saying something like "because that is the right thing to do" would probably not work in this situation when it comes to the amount of money you can make off being evil.
Idontbelieveinma n

Pittsburgh, PA

#159 Sep 19, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Evil is not a creation.
Evil is an intentional action by creatures endowed with free will.
God is all powerful, mankind and some angels have proven to be fallible.
Yet God did not stop evil? Free will is not reason enough for the existence of evil.
Cisco Kid

United States

#160 Sep 19, 2013
Idontbelieveinman wrote:
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Yet God did not stop evil? Free will is not reason enough for the existence of evil.
God does not prevent mankind from exercising free will.
God is patient.

God can make great good prevail from out of evil.
Take St.Paul for instance.
Cisco Kid

United States

#161 Sep 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So does God know beginning from end like He said to Isaiah? If no you're calling Him or at least Isaiah a liar.
But I dont think you would do that so what exactly are you saying?
You've read The Word.
Either God is correct or the man Isaiah.
Whom do you choose?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#162 Sep 19, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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You've read The Word.
Either God is correct or the man Isaiah.
Whom do you choose?
I believe Isaiah was a prophet from God Almighty. The same God that came to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And the SAME God that came to Moses. Therefore I believe him when he says that God said to him:

9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say,‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’

Do you believe God said this or no?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#163 Sep 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I believe Isaiah was a prophet from God Almighty. The same God that came to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And the SAME God that came to Moses.
The name of this same God is JEHOVAH.

Do you believe this?

Yes or no?

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