How does an atheist comfort a dying c...

How does an atheist comfort a dying child?

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levi

Beeville, TX

#1 Feb 19, 2011
If there is no after life, in their belief.
Thinking

Coseley, UK

#2 Feb 21, 2011
Is it better to believe in a god that will happily let children die, or to realise it is nothing personal?
levi wrote:
If there is no after life, in their belief.
ccrider

Owensboro, KY

#3 Feb 21, 2011
This current body dies, but the spirit (who we really are) lives forever. The death of the body is the transition from one realm or area to another.
Thinking

Coseley, UK

#4 Feb 21, 2011
I'd rather cure the child than believe your psychobabble.
ccrider wrote:
This current body dies, but the spirit (who we really are) lives forever. The death of the body is the transition from one realm or area to another.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#5 Feb 21, 2011
More silliness from the fundy side.

Do you really think a child (at what age?) has a true concept of what this (or any) alleged afterlife is, or might be..? And has taken the mixed messages of their preachers, parents, culture and whomever else to heart in a manner that actually soothes them?

You make the mistake of applying your concepts and beliefs onto a child. Which we know to be as stupid as this question. Ask a child what the moon is made of and you may get several different answers, where my youngest (10) will give you an actual scientific answer (she wants to be an astronaut)...and another less inquisitive, or under-educated child might say cheese, or something else that a child would say.

But to answer this silly question - I would comfort them just like I (we) do when they are sick now. Make them comfortable, soothe them, be there for them, tell them and show them my love, make them laugh, play games with them, tell them they are strong and will get better, etc...

In short - I would simply be there for them...as I am now. Nothing would actually change in our relationship.

Levi, let me ask you this. Depending on the age of the child how far would you go to tell them the actual truth of their illness...? Would you tell him/her, "Hey kid, youre gonna be dead in a day of two, but you're going to heaven." Make them confess their child-sins, and spend your last moments with the child pontificating...pounding your beliefs into them..?
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#6 Feb 21, 2011
ccrider wrote:
This current body dies, but the spirit (who we really are) lives forever. The death of the body is the transition from one realm or area to another.
Oh yeah and kids really understand that babble. And depending on their exposure to certain myths, you might scare them to death.
ccrider

Owensboro, KY

#7 Feb 21, 2011
Punisher; as adamant a fighter that you are against Christianity, if you ever had a Damascus Road experience like Paul & became a Christian ( a real one).....your Christian testimony would be great.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#8 Feb 21, 2011
ccrider wrote:
Punisher; as adamant a fighter that you are against Christianity, if you ever had a Damascus Road experience like Paul & became a Christian ( a real one).....your Christian testimony would be great.
Thanks, I think...?

Actually I had a sort of Damascus Rd experience...maybe like a Damascus Avenue...but mine was the convincing experience that defined me as an atheist...and not merely a waffling believer...(no details, as it give too much away of who I am should anyone I know venture into these forums...)
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#9 Feb 21, 2011
ccrider wrote:
Punisher; as adamant a fighter that you are against Christianity, if you ever had a Damascus Road experience like Paul & became a Christian ( a real one).....your Christian testimony would be great.
And for the record, and for the thousandth time, I'm not against Xtianity. Not at all. But I do oppose its use as a weapon, which means I'm against the Ones wielding the weapon...I'm not against guns, just those who use them as a means to exploit and victimize others...

Like a gun, Xtianity has been misused by too many believers...as have other religions and political ideologies as well.
SaemeaS

Patterson, CA

#10 Feb 21, 2011
Thinking wrote:
Is it better to believe in a god that will happily let children die, or to realise it is nothing personal?
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Yes, the atheist parent would would be truthful, comforting their dying child and explain that in a little while life will be over and they won't know anything. Just like Daddy.

Since: Aug 08

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#11 Feb 21, 2011
What an arrogant question. As an atheist I would raise my children to be objective and use evidence based reasoning. However, if my child way dying, my desire and ability to comfort is in no way compromised by my atheism. If the child was a very young age I might talk of a life after death with loved relatives waiting to greet the child. What harm could there be in that if the primary objective is comfort? For an older child I might discuss the various religions and concepts of life after death, re-incarnation, etc. For a mature child who is a confirmed atheist we might talk about the cycle of life, death and re-birth in nature, oneness with the universe, etc. Who is the arrogant prick who posted this question?

Since: Feb 10

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#12 Feb 21, 2011
levi wrote:
If there is no after life, in their belief.
I would tell the child that the reason God is making it die is because that child is needed more in Heaven than he or she is on Earth.

You see, there are all those toilets to be scrubbed, and God is so damned busy DAMNING people that he doesn't have the time to get it all done.

Not to mention that Heaven doesn't allow illegal immigration, and of course the English-speaking angels refuse to do menial labor nowadays, so...

Of course, you COULD tell a dying child the truth: that they will never really die because they filled the world with so much love and laughter that their memory will always live on.

You can also remind them that what happens after death s exactly the same as what happens before birth: nothing.

You can assuage their fear of death (assuming they were raised to fear death, something that my children weren't) by telling them since they weren't afraid of being nothing before they were born, then there is nothing to fer from dying either.

If the child is in pain you can tell them that death will end their pain, but that your pain of loss will far outweigh the brief pain they endured.

Remind them that they were loved and always will be loved by their friends and family.

But most importantly, never EVER teach your children that they will go to Heaven (or Hell) when they die, since that concept brings up even more difficult questions than telling them the truth does.

Now that I've answered YOUR question, answer this one: would you say to a dying child, if it comforts him or her, that her atoms would become part of other life forms when she dies and that God and Heaven are absurd concepts?

Or would you tell them something that does NOT comfort them instead?

What if the reason the child is dying is because they were shot by an overzealous police officer while they were in the act of desecrating a Christian church?

What if the child was dying of cancer because it stole cigarettes from its parents and lied about it to their face?

Would you have the guts (actually, the stupidity) to remind the child that it must be punished for its sins?

How did Andrea Yates comfort HER children when she was drowning them? She told them that the world was a sinful and wicked place, and that they'd be better off in Heaven.

Do you think the children believed her? SHOULD they have, or isn't it true that Andrea Yates LIED when she said that Heaven was better than Earth?

Next time don't ask a rhetorical question unless you have all your bases covered, Levi.

Atheists 1, Christians 0.

As usual...
ccrider

Owensboro, KY

#13 Feb 21, 2011
Punisher wrote:<<<<<< <(no details, as it give too much away of who I am should anyone I know venture into these forums...) >>>>>>> >>>

No problem. I totally understand.

Since: Feb 10

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#14 Feb 21, 2011
ccrider wrote:
Punisher; as adamant a fighter that you are against Christianity, if you ever had a Damascus Road experience like Paul & became a Christian ( a real one).....your Christian testimony would be great.
Your ignorance is showing again. The Pauline Christians were latecomers to Christianity. The only reason they ascended to power was because they altered the gospels and burned many of the books of the original Christians: the Ebionites, Gnostics, and Marcionites.

Pauline Christians practice an adulterated form of Christianity.

Nicely done, however.

Oh, and by the way: Acts 9 and 22 give two different versions of the same event.

Acts 9:7 says "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless hearing a voice, but seeing no man."

Then Acts 22:9, when Saul is testifying about his conversion, says "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

Look up the Greek word for "voice" in each Scripture - they're the same word ("phone" - Strong's number 5456.)

http://biblos.com/acts/9-7.htm

http://biblos.com/acts/22-9.htm

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/5456.htm

So, what are you wishing on Punisher? That he hear a voice and see nothing, or hear nothing and see something?

Silly Christians, always making sh1t up...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#15 Feb 21, 2011
ScienceRules wrote:
Who is the arrogant prick who posted this question?
ScienceRules, meet Mr. CCrider!:)

Since: Aug 08

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#16 Feb 21, 2011
Gillette wrote:
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ScienceRules, meet Mr. CCrider!:)
This explains a lot.......... thanks
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#17 Feb 21, 2011
ScienceRules wrote:
What an arrogant question. As an atheist I would raise my children to be objective and use evidence based reasoning. However, if my child way dying, my desire and ability to comfort is in no way compromised by my atheism. If the child was a very young age I might talk of a life after death with loved relatives waiting to greet the child. What harm could there be in that if the primary objective is comfort? For an older child I might discuss the various religions and concepts of life after death, re-incarnation, etc. For a mature child who is a confirmed atheist we might talk about the cycle of life, death and re-birth in nature, oneness with the universe, etc. Who is the arrogant prick who posted this question?
Well you're awfully swift to toss your "atheist" convictions out the window.
That's what happens when you build on a foundation of sand.

Now you're sounding like a pantheistic deist searching for what you're afraid to admit.

No atheists on the death bed, eh?

Since: Aug 08

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#18 Feb 21, 2011
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
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Well you're awfully swift to toss your "atheist" convictions out the window.Now you're sounding like a pantheistic deist searching for what you're afraid to admit.
Not at all. The difference between me and you f**kwad godbots is that I don't brainwash my children and demand they share my beliefs. They are free to learn about any religion and believe, or not believe, as they wish. When I said that I might comfort a very young child with a terminal disease with thoughts of an afterlife the only motivation would be comfort for a child too young to engage is a dialog about atheism and who is terrified of what is going to happen to her.
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
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That's what happens when you build on a foundation of sand.?
Better than the foundation of a vacuum, as is yours.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#19 Feb 21, 2011
An atheist would tell a dying child that he is going back to what he was before he was a living child. As we all will when we die.

I was dead for billions of years before I was born, I don't recall being inconvenienced in the least.
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#20 Feb 21, 2011
ScienceRules wrote:
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Not at all. The difference between me and you f**kwad godbots is that I don't brainwash my children and demand they share my beliefs. They are free to learn about any religion and believe, or not believe, as they wish.
No, you are too brainwashed to see the truth.

The real difference is you are lying to yourself.
But you aren't fooling anybody else with your delusional double-talk.

Case in point:
You claim you wouldn't "brainwash my children and demand they share my beliefs".

But in your earlier post you make the ironclad assumption about your "mature child who is a confirmed atheist".
Demonstrating you are more committed to a controlling, hardcore, atheist indoctrination of your children, not instilling freedom of choice.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Typical of a confused atheist groping to cover the lie.
ScienceRules wrote:
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Better than the foundation of a vacuum, as is yours.
The premise of this thread wouldn't have elicited such an angry, emotionally charged response from you if the sands weren't shifting under your feet.

Like I said, you can lie to yourself, but you ain't fooling nobody.

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