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Can you be Christian and reject Christ's teachings?

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#1 Aug 4, 2013
Can you be Christian and live only in the Old Testament?

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#2 Aug 4, 2013
LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online)- The Holy Father is full of surprises, born of true and faithful humility. On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.

However, he did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good. In fact, it is in doing good that they are led to the One who is the Source of all that is good. In essence he simply restated the hope of the Church that all come to know God, through His Son Jesus Christ.

Francis based his homily on the message of Christ to his disciples taken from the Gospel of Mark. Francis delivered his message by sharing a story of a Catholic who asked a priest if atheists were saved by Christ.

"They complain," Francis said, "If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good." He explained that Jesus corrected them, "Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good."

The disciples, Pope Francis explained, "were a little intolerant," closed off by the idea of possessing the truth, convinced that "those who do not have the truth, cannot do good." "This was wrong... Jesus broadens the horizon." Pope Francis said, "The root of this possibility of doing good - that we all have - is in creation."
"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good, Pope Francis said on Vatican Radio.

"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."

Francis explained himself, "The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart, do good and do not do evil. All of us.'But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.' Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone!'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!" We must meet one another doing good.'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there."

Father James Martin, a Jesuit priest, told the Huffington Post, "Pope Francis is saying, more clearly than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That's always been a Christian belief. You can find St. Paul saying in the First Letter to Timothy that Jesus gave himself as a 'ransom for all.' But rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it's a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories."

Pope Francis is trying to deepen our understanding of the fullness of Christ's sacrifice and its reach, which extends to all men and women. We often fall into familiar ways of thinking that are closed. We divide ourselves into groups, forgetting that we are all children of God, identical, regardless of any divisions we establish for ourselves.We are also all called to the One who created us and, through His Son,is recreating us anew. He calls us to accept His salvation.

I remember when the Pope said this and the next day he was 'corrected' by representatives of the Vatican.
Still, the Pope is saying what is already in Catholic Catechism.

IMO, IF a person fully understands AND accepts and THEN rejects the Gospel, then this is damning.
Yet, there is such a thing as 'invincible ignorance' which prevents one from being able to grasp fully and accept the Gospel.
This is not that person's fault.
So, IMO, their soul will be judged on the enlightenment received during their lifetime and how the put this enlightenment to use.

Sure, there are countless non-Christians who will go to heaven, IMO.


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#4 Aug 6, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Can you be Christian and live only in the Old Testament?
Why would you, being a Bible hater, ask?

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#5 Aug 8, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Can you be Christian and live only in the Old Testament?
I guess if the Bible says that by no deeds of the law can anyone be saved -- which it does --- then the answer is no. Jesus came to fulfill the law and in him hang the law and the prophets.

La Verne, CA

#6 Aug 8, 2013
Pick and choose! It's what christians do best!

Chickasha, OK

#7 Aug 8, 2013
true liberty wrote:
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I guess if the Bible says that by no deeds of the law can anyone be saved -- which it does --- then the answer is no.
Did God say this?






The prophets?




James, John, Peter, Jude?


So who does that leave us with?


I'll take the rest saying things different than what Paul (or whoever attributed those writings to Paul if Paul didnt write it) said. What about you? Will you choose to follow Paul's example over all the above?
Jesus Is

Rowville, Australia

#8 Aug 15, 2013

'31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.'
Jesus Is

Rowville, Australia

#9 Aug 15, 2013

“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall.
31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

Cobourg, Canada

#10 Aug 15, 2013
7:10 pm, Thursday, August 15, 2013:
RE: Can you be Christian and reject Christ's teachings?
..... No, you can't. By definition only those are Christians who live the lifestyle of a Christ, and follow only his teachings, rejecting the teachings of all others.

“honestly politically incorrect”

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#11 Aug 15, 2013
Its been done before,I know at least three people who claimed to be a Christian,they carried on with their charade for years but then when the moment of truth arrived they chose to go their separate ways against the Lord and now two is living in adultery and the other is serving life behind bars for killing his wife.

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