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#1033 Mar 16, 2013
IamHim wrote:
Disregard that Sheillaa. Thought that was someone else talking to me
I have taken your advice and am now studying the old testament. I have downloaded a book on the prophets of the old testament to get some background on what was happening historically at the time of each of their prophecies. It is frustrating having so little knowledge in relation to each of them and I have never been known for my patience. LOL
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1034 Mar 17, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I have taken your advice and am now studying the old testament. I have downloaded a book on the prophets of the old testament to get some background on what was happening historically at the time of each of their prophecies. It is frustrating having so little knowledge in relation to each of them and I have never been known for my patience. LOL
Smart move lol Even though I would suggest reading it first THEN reading the book IMO
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#1035 Mar 18, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Thanks for the time you have put into my query. I need to look up all the scriptures that you have indicated. In relation to the talmud, is it correct to say that this is not the inspired word of God but rather the word of humans to explain certain things that relate to the old testament?
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Although I beleive the Talmud is not inspired, there may be parts of it that were inspired that got recorded. In either case what the Talmud tells us is how Jews of the early part of the X-tian era understood the scriptures. I think that you will agree with me that they certainly had a better chance of understanding the Hebrew than we do today. Study of the Talmud will also give you a taste of by what means the rabbis came to understand the text. They just didn't pull an interpretation out of the air. They looked for other passages that dealt with the same theme to see what the whole was saying, not just that verse. In fact context had little influence on their understanding.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#1036 Mar 18, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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So another can come fulfill one of the prophecies and say he will fulfill the rest when he returns the second time and we're all supposed to believe him?
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Where? Hopefully you do not say Daniel
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Even if scripture said it was David (it doesnt) why would he have to do it then? Because YOU say so?
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If someone comes and claims to be the Messiah and is killed but says before that "in three days I will raise myself from the dead" and does so, then I say you better listen to him.
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Where? Hopefully you do not say Daniel
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Certainly it is in Daniel.
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Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
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messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#1037 Mar 18, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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1. Yes in the VERSION you chose it says that. In other versions (one of those being the version I quoted) it says something else that means the same
2. No the text says both. Look at how you is plural.
3a. Lol that makes no sense. "I'll ignore the context and let the NT tell me whats a prophecy and what is not." Is that really how you feel?
3b. It wasnt about him being safe forever. Just safe while the 2 kings were threatening him. You see why God Almighty took His proptection away in ch. 17
In the twelfth year of Ahaz king of Judah, Hoshea son of Elah became king of Israel in Samaria, and he reigned nine years. 2 He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, but not like the kings of Israel who preceded him.
That was AFTER Ahaz was saved from the 2 kings =/
4. That wasnt the prophecy
5. He didnt sit on the throne. Nor will any son of Jeconiah according to Jeremiah
6. IF you say something and someone asks you to provide what brought YOU to that conclusion, why not just show him?
7. Yes it was the house lol. You're just privately interpreting it as something else. If Solomon said (paraphrase) Confirming the promise that God made to my father David" what other conclusion can we come to other than that David was talking about Solomon?
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1. If it said the same thing you would not be arguing with me. If you want to get into the Hebrew I am willing to, will you understand the Hebrew?
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2. Firstly you don't know Hebrew so you have no credibility to state what is says. Secondly you don't understand English either as "you" can be both singular and plural.
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3a. I would never say ignore the context, I am saying context isn't necessary for a prophecy. But looking at the context you would want to make sure the context is important. Now if you could show historically who this Immanuel is and if the land was forsaken of two kings then you can support the context with history. The problem is you can't. I will give you a hint. Look in scripture to find which land is abhorred. Then you will know what land G-d is talking about. You interpret scripture with scripture.
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4. Your right my statement under 4 wasn't prophecy, it was fulfillment of the prophecy we are talking about. You see how I can support my interpretation with history.
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5. Are you purposely ignoring that he had children and prospered? It was your assertion that Coniah was cursed by G-d. I showed where in Jewish tradition they understood the curse to be absolved and I showed you in scripture where G-d's word failed. So what kind of G-d do you serve that can't prevent a man from having children?
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6. I showed you "aner" means "man", which you have the ability to check for yourself. If you don't think that this is accurate then we can go to greek documents to determine if I am correct or not. The text itself states there are 42 generations. Have you bothered to count the generations from Abraham to Yeshua to see if there are 42 generations? The only way you can get from the text 42 generations is if Joseph was the father of Mary (she just happened to marry another man named Joseph). Luke gives us the genealogy of Joseph as it states "(as was supposed) the son of Joseph". If he had meant Mary to be the mother he would have stated so. So how do I come to the conclusion that Matthews's account is Mary's lineage:
1. Matthew gives us Mary as the mother vs 16.
2. Matthew tells us there are 42 generations
3. Therfore "aner" must mean father in this case or we don't have 42 generations.
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If you look at your own post the only thing Solomon claims as a promise from G-d is that he succeeded his father. It doesn't say that the promise to build the house was to him. That promise about the house included an everlasting kingdom, which didn't happen for Solomon, so if he is the son referred to in 1Ch 22:10 then why wasn't G-d's word fulfilled in him? Yeshua built a house and has an everlasting kingdom.
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1038 Mar 19, 2013
messianic114 wrote:
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1. If it said the same thing you would not be arguing with me. If you want to get into the Hebrew I am willing to, will you understand the Hebrew?
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2. Firstly you don't know Hebrew so you have no credibility to state what is says. Secondly you don't understand English either as "you" can be both singular and plural.
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3a. I would never say ignore the context, I am saying context isn't necessary for a prophecy. But looking at the context you would want to make sure the context is important. Now if you could show historically who this Immanuel is and if the land was forsaken of two kings then you can support the context with history. The problem is you can't. I will give you a hint. Look in scripture to find which land is abhorred. Then you will know what land G-d is talking about. You interpret scripture with scripture.
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4. Your right my statement under 4 wasn't prophecy, it was fulfillment of the prophecy we are talking about. You see how I can support my interpretation with history.
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5. Are you purposely ignoring that he had children and prospered? It was your assertion that Coniah was cursed by G-d.
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6. I showed you "aner" means "man", which you have the ability to check for yourself. If you don't think that this is accurate then we can go to greek documents to determine if I am correct or not. The text itself states there are 42 generations. Have you bothered to count the generations from Abraham to Yeshua to see if there are 42 generations?....
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If you look at your own post the only thing Solomon claims as a promise from G-d is that he succeeded his father. It doesn't say that the promise to build the house was to him. That promise about the house included an everlasting kingdom, which didn't happen for Solomon, so if he is the son referred to in 1Ch 22:10 then why wasn't G-d's word fulfilled in him? Yeshua built a house and has an everlasting kingdom.
1. Yes I can partially understand Hebrew. And that verse I posted does not change the meaning of the verse
2. And you would know how much Hebrew I know? And yes YOU can be singular and plural in English. Not to mention Hebrew lol
3.-I already know the land God was talking about
- The Immanuel was a birth signifying God Almighty was with Judah against the rest of Israel and Aram. The context tells you that
4. Can you show where the LANDS were laid to waste? I showed you the two kings that were going against Ahaz (who Isaiah was told to go to) lands were laid to waste. Can you show me where the 2 people you mentioned went thru the same?
5. Well heres what it says
Thus says the LORD:“Write this man down as childless, a man who shall not succeed in his days, for none of his offspring shall succeed in sitting on the throne of David and ruling again in Judah.”
Can you show someone of the son of Jeconiah ruling on the throne of David? If not, then why should I believe you when you say it was "repealed"?
6. Can you explain why anger means "father" and not what it means in other places in the NT? Maybe I missed something.
7. Umm no lol. It clearly says Solomon fulfilled it.
1 Chronicles 28:6
He said to me:'Solomon your son is the one who will build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.
2nd Samuel 7
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’”
Have you read the OT?
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1039 Mar 19, 2013
messianic114 wrote:
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If someone comes and claims to be the Messiah and is killed but says before that "in three days I will raise myself from the dead" and does so, then I say you better listen to him.
Why? Havent you read Deuteronomy?

Deuteronomy 13
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says,“Let us follow other gods”(gods you have not known)“and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
messianic114 wrote:
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Where? Hopefully you do not say Daniel
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Certainly it is in Daniel.
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Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
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Well if you've read the prophets, what does it mean by this? That David will be resurrected or that a son of David will come?

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#1040 Mar 19, 2013
In relation to Jesus being the messiah can both Messianic 114 and I am Him please comment on the link below?

http://glimpsesofgrace.org/articles/Coniah.ht...
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1041 Mar 19, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
In relation to Jesus being the messiah can both Messianic 114 and I am Him please comment on the link below?
http://glimpsesofgrace.org/articles/Coniah.ht...
Well if Im reading correctly, the link states that Joseph's line wasnt relevant to Jesus? And that it was Mary's that was mentioned in Luke? If so, it doesnt mention as to how the throne of David did not go thru Solomon but Nathan. Theres a problem with EITHER genealogy.

Mary- Goes thru Nathan the son of David. But 2nd Samuel tells us that it is to go thru Solomon.
Joseph- Son of Jeconiah who was cursed to have no sons rule on the throne of David.

How can one honestly get around these?

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#1042 Mar 19, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Well if Im reading correctly, the link states that Joseph's line wasnt relevant to Jesus? And that it was Mary's that was mentioned in Luke? If so, it doesnt mention as to how the throne of David did not go thru Solomon but Nathan. Theres a problem with EITHER genealogy.
Mary- Goes thru Nathan the son of David. But 2nd Samuel tells us that it is to go thru Solomon.
Joseph- Son of Jeconiah who was cursed to have no sons rule on the throne of David.
How can one honestly get around these?
But wasn't the promise re Solomon conditional only if he was faithful to the God just as David was? He broke the covenant with God by filling the temple he built with false idols. In relation to Joseph the curse didn't apply to Jesus because Joseph only passed on the legal right of son ship not the bloodline.
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1043 Mar 19, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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But wasn't the promise re Solomon conditional only if he was faithful to the God just as David was? He broke the covenant with God by filling the temple he built with false idols.
It wasnt conditional

2nd Samuel 7
14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’

As it says here in verse 14, when he sisns he will be punished by men. In 15 it says God Almighty's love will never be taken away from Solomon as it was from Saul
Sheilaa wrote:
In relation to Joseph the curse didn't apply to Jesus because Joseph only passed on the legal right of son ship not the bloodline.
Well legally Jesus is a son of Jeconiah. If hes not then you take out Matthew 1 as pertaining to Jesus. You would then have to go to the other genealogy in Luke which is still wrong. Anyway you slice it there are holes

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#1044 Mar 19, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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It wasnt conditional
2nd Samuel 7
14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’
As it says here in verse 14, when he sisns he will be punished by men. In 15 it says God Almighty's love will never be taken away from Solomon as it was from Saul
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Well legally Jesus is a son of Jeconiah. If hes not then you take out Matthew 1 as pertaining to Jesus. You would then have to go to the other genealogy in Luke which is still wrong. Anyway you slice it there are holes
In 2 Samuel 7 the covenant is being made with David and not Solomon

Then what about the covenant that God made with Solomon in 1 Kings 9: 4-7 ?

“And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:

“Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

“BUT if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

“Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people

Solomon turned away from God, and God stated what He would do if Solomon broke the covenant which he did.

Legally Jesus was able to claim the throne through Joseph adopting him, but he didn't inherit the curse from Jeconiah because he was not biologically Joseph's son. That's why he needed to be born of a virgin.

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#1045 Mar 19, 2013
Other verses that support that the covenant with Solomon was conditional:

He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the Lord over Israel. 6 “And He said to me,‘Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him. 7 ‘And I will establish his kingdom forever, IF he resolutely performs My commandments and My ordinances, as is done now.(1 Ch 28:5)

And as for you, IF you walk before Me as your father David walked even to do according to all that I have commanded you and will keep My statutes and My ordinances, 18 then I will establish your royal throne as I covenanted with your father David, saying,‘You shall not lack a man to be ruler in Israel.’(2 Ch 7:17).
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1046 Mar 20, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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In 2 Samuel 7 the covenant is being made with David and not Solomon
Then what about the covenant that God made with Solomon in 1 Kings 9: 4-7 ?
“And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:
“Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.
“BUT if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
“Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people
Solomon turned away from God, and God stated what He would do if Solomon broke the covenant which he did.
You're not reading it lol Again Imma post 2nd Samuel 7. Explain to me what it says

12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you

"When YOUR days (David's) are over I (God Almighty) will raise your offspring (Solomon) to succeed you and I (God Almighty) will establish HIS (Solomon's) kingdom. He is the one that will build a house for My Name....When he (Solomon) does wrong I will punish him with a rod WIELDED BY MEN."

In comparison with 1st Kings 9 it sounds like the last sentence. They were punished and removed from the land at the rod of who? MEN. Was the kingdom EVER taken away from Solomon as it was Saul? Well, no unless you have scripture that says or displays otherwise. So when Solomon did wrong, the kingdom that he set up and temple were done away with by the hands of humans. But NEVER was his genealogy taken away. Meaning the birthline of kings being from Solomon like it was taken away from Saul.
Sheilaa wrote:
Legally Jesus was able to claim the throne through Joseph adopting him, but he didn't inherit the curse from Jeconiah because he was not biologically Joseph's son. That's why he needed to be born of a virgin.
Why? Why could Jesus claim one thing that is beneficial but not the other? Because you say?
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#1047 Mar 20, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
Other verses that support that the covenant with Solomon was conditional:
He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the Lord over Israel. 6 “And He said to me,‘Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him. 7 ‘And I will establish his kingdom forever, IF he resolutely performs My commandments and My ordinances, as is done now.(1 Ch 28:5)
1st Chronicles 17
11 When your days are over and you go to be with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. 13 I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. 14 I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.’”

Did you read this in 1st Chronicles? Especially 13. HE will NEVER take away his love from him (Solomon) as He did David's predecessor (Saul). Didnt Saul get the kingdom removed from hisself and his lineage?
Sheilaa wrote:
And as for you, IF you walk before Me as your father David walked even to do according to all that I have commanded you and will keep My statutes and My ordinances, 18 then I will establish your royal throne as I covenanted with your father David, saying,‘You shall not lack a man to be ruler in Israel.’(2 Ch 7:17).
Continue reading.

19 “But if you[a] turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you[b] and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20 then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21 This temple will become a heap of rubble. All[c] who pass by will be appalled and say,‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 22 People will answer,‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them.’”

If Solomon turned away what would happen? Thru all that did you see anywhere that God Almighty said He would take away the kingship that belonged to Solomon and his sons?

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#1048 Mar 20, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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You're not reading it lol Again Imma post 2nd Samuel 7. Explain to me what it says
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you
"When YOUR days (David's) are over I (God Almighty) will raise your offspring (Solomon) to succeed you and I (God Almighty) will establish HIS (Solomon's) kingdom. He is the one that will build a house for My Name....When he (Solomon) does wrong I will punish him with a rod WIELDED BY MEN."
In comparison with 1st Kings 9 it sounds like the last sentence. They were punished and removed from the land at the rod of who? MEN. Was the kingdom EVER taken away from Solomon as it was Saul? Well, no unless you have scripture that says or displays otherwise. So when Solomon did wrong, the kingdom that he set up and temple were done away with by the hands of humans. But NEVER was his genealogy taken away. Meaning the birthline of kings being from Solomon like it was taken away from Saul.
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Why? Why could Jesus claim one thing that is beneficial but not the other? Because you say?
I understand the verses that you have posted but surely they only applied if Solomon remained faithful , displayed integrity and walked in uprightness which he didn't. Would you agree with this?
‘And I will establish his kingdom forever, IF he resolutely performs My commandments and My ordinances, as is done now.(1 Ch 28:5)

God's promise to David was unconditional but it was conditional re Solomon. God said he would establish the throne of Solomon's kingdom over Israel forever AS LONG as he and his heirs succeeded in meeting the requirements. In Psalm 132:12 God said to David, "If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore." The kingdom would only last forever if Solomon obeyed God's laws and commands. Did Solomon obey God's commands when he filled the temple with idols and worshipped them, turned away from God and married foreign women ?

When Solomon prayed to God in Kings 9: 3-6 God stated ".... I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there forever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.(4) And IF thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:(5) THEN I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel."

Not sure what you mean about Jesus claiming one thing and not the other
IamHim

Oklahoma City, OK

#1049 Mar 20, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I understand the verses that you have posted but surely they only applied if Solomon remained faithful , displayed integrity and walked in uprightness which he didn't. Would you agree with this?
‘And I will establish his kingdom forever, IF he resolutely performs My commandments and My ordinances, as is done now.(1 Ch 28:5)
God's promise to David was unconditional but it was conditional re Solomon. God said he would establish the throne of Solomon's kingdom over Israel forever AS LONG as he and his heirs succeeded in meeting the requirements. In Psalm 132:12 God said to David, "If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore." The kingdom would only last forever if Solomon obeyed God's laws and commands. Did Solomon obey God's commands when he filled the temple with idols and worshipped them, turned away from God and married foreign women ?
When Solomon prayed to God in Kings 9: 3-6 God stated ".... I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there forever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.(4) And IF thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:(5) THEN I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel."[\QUOTE]

It seems like we're both sticking to the same scripture. But on one hand the scripture I'm saying says that God's love will never depart fromSolomob as it did with Saup. The same Saul that lost the kingdom for himself and his descendants.

[QUOTE who="Sheilaa"]
Not sure what you mean about Jesus claiming one thing and not the other
How can Jesus claim the throne that is associated with his line but not the curse that is associated with his line?

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#1050 Mar 20, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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How can Jesus claim the throne that is associated with his line but not the curse that is associated with his line?
He bypasses the curse by being the son of God. He had no earthly father and therefore he inherited no curse.He was adopted by Joseph who came from the cursed line, but the curse wasn't passed on to him because Joseph was not his biological father. Joseph, a descendent of Solomon, was Jesus’ legal adoptive father, so Jesus traced His royal rights to the throne through Joseph. Being born of Mary it gave him a legal right to the throne as well. Through Mary he could claim that he was descended from David via Nathan.
God explained what would happen if Solomon did not keep his commands and it was conditional and because of that he was disqualified, when he broke the covenant with God.

So if it is not Jesus, how can another come from the line of Solomon.The line of rulership passed through Jechoniah's sons so if they were disqualified who else was or is able to occupy the throne?
messianic114

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#1051 Mar 20, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Why? Havent you read Deuteronomy?
Deuteronomy 13
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says,“Let us follow other gods”(gods you have not known)“and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
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Well if you've read the prophets, what does it mean by this? That David will be resurrected or that a son of David will come?
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Yeshua always pointed to the father, but he also said to honour the son as you do the father. He did not point to other gods or to gods unknown to the Hebrews of Moses' generation. The problem we have now is this generation of Jews doesn't worship the G-d of Sinai, they have redefined him.
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What I was showing with Ezekial is that the Messiah has names in scripture like David, Israel, Immanuel. We need to understand what is meant by those names, not dogmatically assert for instance that David is the Messiah.

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#1052 Mar 20, 2013
messianic114 wrote:
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Yeshua always pointed to the father, but he also said to honour the son as you do the father. He did not point to other gods or to gods unknown to the Hebrews of Moses' generation. The problem we have now is this generation of Jews doesn't worship the G-d of Sinai, they have redefined him.
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What I was showing with Ezekial is that the Messiah has names in scripture like David, Israel, Immanuel. We need to understand what is meant by those names, not dogmatically assert for instance that David is the Messiah.
Do you believe that David is the messiah?

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