Do Jews and Christians worship the sa...
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#971 Mar 9, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I have worked out why the Hebrew bible has less books than that of the Protestant one. It is because the Hebrew bible has lumped the twelve minor prophets into one book.
Neither the Hebrew bible or the Protestant bible accept the Apocrypha as part of the cannon of their bibles
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• Protestant Canon - Council of Nicea 325 A.D.
Since it was a persecuted church for close to three hundred years, a canon was not declared until the church was officially tolerated..........
Why does your dogma require you to lie about truth?
History does not support your suppositions.

There was NO protestant religious groups until the late fifteenth century, or maybe even until the sixteenth century Luther.
Depends how you would distort history for your ends.

Protestants did not exist at the time of the Council of Nicea.
You can lie to yourself, but don't lie to others, it's a very unchristian thing to do.

Protestants weren't invented until the sixteenth century.
Just think, if they would have waited just a few years they could have announced the grand opening of protestantism on TV!
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#972 Mar 9, 2013
THAT'S Right folks!
CHOOSE your dogma!

Unsatisfied with the reality of the Catholic Church?
The Church that Jesus Built?
Then form your own Sola Scriptura group lead by your OWN interpretation.

'Everybody is doing it now that the Bible is printed in common language.
WHY...some of your new ministers are actually learning to Read, with the Bible!
Many idiots you know are forming congregations NOW!
Don't be left out of the cult of personality!'

Come listen to THEM tell YOU what's in the BOOK.
Protestants, where everybody is a priest....literate or not.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#973 Mar 9, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Why does your dogma require you to lie about truth?
History does not support your suppositions.
There was NO protestant religious groups until the late fifteenth century, or maybe even until the sixteenth century Luther.
Depends how you would distort history for your ends.
Protestants did not exist at the time of the Council of Nicea.
You can lie to yourself, but don't lie to others, it's a very unchristian thing to do.
Protestants weren't invented until the sixteenth century.
Just think, if they would have waited just a few years they could have announced the grand opening of protestantism on TV!
In the days of Jesus there were groups of followers who did not follow or believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church. Protestantism just means people who did not support the teachings of the Catholic church.Definition of Protestantism noun: a. a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth b. a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church Protestantism is the belief in the Bible as the supreme source of authority for the church, not the Pope.

At the council of Nicea only 220 bishops out of 1800 attended, so it could hardly be called unanimous or universal vote in what they agreed on. The fact that their scriptures did not line up with the Jewish scriptures and what Jesus taught as a Jew is significant

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#974 Mar 9, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
THAT'S Right folks!
CHOOSE your dogma!
Unsatisfied with the reality of the Catholic Church?
The Church that Jesus Built?
Then form your own Sola Scriptura group lead by your OWN interpretation.
'Everybody is doing it now that the Bible is printed in common language.
WHY...some of your new ministers are actually learning to Read, with the Bible!
Many idiots you know are forming congregations NOW!
Don't be left out of the cult of personality!'
Come listen to THEM tell YOU what's in the BOOK.
Protestants, where everybody is a priest....literate or not.
No wonder the Catholic Church taught the mass in Latin for so long.They wanted to keep the common folk in ignorance. I was taught the mass in Latin in England and we didn't have a clue what we were parroting. The Catholic Church has tried over the years to keep followers in the dark, but no more because they are revolting against it unbiblical false teachings. The fact is that the Catholic Church is full of pedophiles who blashpeme the word of God and it is no wonder that the current Pope resigned in shame. It was a papal decision for priests not to marry not a scriptural one
IamHim

United States

#975 Mar 9, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I thought that you may find this site interesting in lieu of the law not being changed by Jesus
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/grace_law.html
The verses I showed contradicts anything in the link.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#976 Mar 9, 2013
My father was an altar boy and he was sexually molested by a priest as a youngster. He in turn sexually abused my sister and I. I have no respect for the filthy pedophiles who profane to be men of God. They are just as bad as Muhammad who molested a 6 year old girl and then had sexual relations with her when she was nine. In Australia and elsewhere around the world the Catholic Church is being brought to its knees due to its filthy disgusting practises. God is turning his hand towards them and the Catholic Church will be destroyed when Jesus returns
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#977 Mar 9, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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In the days of Jesus there were groups of followers who did not follow or believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church. Protestantism just means people who did not support the teachings of the Catholic church.Definition of Protestantism noun: a. a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth b. a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church Protestantism is the belief in the Bible as the supreme source of authority for the church, not the Pope.

At the council of Nicea only 220 bishops out of 1800 attended, so it could hardly be called unanimous or universal vote in what they agreed on. The fact that their scriptures did not line up with the Jewish scriptures and what Jesus taught as a Jew is significant
I feel sorry for you.
It must truly be sad to have to try and preserve your failed religious dogma with Lies and subterfuge.

Define protestantism again.
Here....I'll do it for you with actual FACTS!~

"Protestantism is one of the major divisions within Christianity........
It is a movement that is widely seen as beginning in Germany with The Ninety-Five Theses in 1517....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism

Do really think you can find salvation amidst lies?

You really aughtta walk away from your bullcrap philosophy of frustrated men.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#978 Mar 9, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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The verses I showed contradicts anything in the link.
Were the verses not speaking to the Israelites and not the gentiles who were grafted in to the promise?

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#979 Mar 9, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I feel sorry for you.
It must truly be sad to have to try and preserve your failed religious dogma with Lies and subterfuge.
Define protestantism again.
Here....I'll do it for you with actual FACTS!~
"Protestantism is one of the major divisions within Christianity........
It is a movement that is widely seen as beginning in Germany with The Ninety-Five Theses in 1517....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism
Do really think you can find salvation amidst lies?
You really aughtta walk away from your bullcrap philosophy of frustrated men.
The Catholic Church is full of lies. Don't feel sorry for me provide evidence that disputes my claims re the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church and its teachings. You ignored my statements last time are you going to do it again?

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#981 Mar 9, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I feel sorry for you.
It must truly be sad to have to try and preserve your failed religious dogma with Lies and subterfuge.
Define protestantism again.
Here....I'll do it for you with actual FACTS!~
"Protestantism is one of the major divisions within Christianity........
It is a movement that is widely seen as beginning in Germany with The Ninety-Five Theses in 1517....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism
Do really think you can find salvation amidst lies?
You really aughtta walk away from your bullcrap philosophy of frustrated men.
So what were the followers beliefs at the time of Jesus? It certainly did not embody the beliefs of Catholicism. Jesus believed in ONE GOD NOT THREE PERSONS IN GOD. He stated that his Father was greater than him.There was no OT teaching re remission of sins for indulgences. He did not worship his mother Mary and she did not intercede with God on his behalf. He did not believe in magic and was subservient to his Father. There was no teaching of purgatory and plenary indulgences. All these false beliefs have been introduced by Catholicism

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#982 Mar 9, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
THAT'S Right folks!
CHOOSE your dogma!
Unsatisfied with the reality of the Catholic Church?
The Church that Jesus Built?
Then form your own Sola Scriptura group lead by your OWN interpretation.
'Everybody is doing it now that the Bible is printed in common language.
WHY...some of your new ministers are actually learning to Read, with the Bible!
Many idiots you know are forming congregations NOW!
Don't be left out of the cult of personality!'
Come listen to THEM tell YOU what's in the BOOK.
Protestants, where everybody is a priest....literate or not.
Jesus didn't build a false church, the Catholic Church did that. Jesus was referring to himself when he spoke to Peter about building the Church upon himself. Peter was the little pebble and Jesus was the large rock. The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#983 Mar 9, 2013
The 15 Promises of Our Lady to Christians Who Recite the Rosary



Whoever shall faithfully serve Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

I promise My special protection and the greatest graces to all who shall recite the Rosary.

The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.

Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

Those who are faithful in reciting the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.

I shall deliver from purgatory, those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

You shall obtain all you ask of Me by the recitation of the Rosary.

All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by Me in their necessities.

I have obtained from My Divine Son, that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors, the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.

All who recite the Rosary are My sons, and brothers of My only son Jesus Christ.

Devotion to My Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

More lies from the Catholic Church!!!!!!!!!!

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#984 Mar 9, 2013
Catholic Purgatory is a Lie!

Indulgences are Silly and Useless

How many times have people seen RCC apologists argue that the Roman Catholic church worships only God, while merely venerating Mary and the lesser deities in the Catholic Pantheon?

They are wont to inform us, at times waspishly, that prayers offered to earth mother Mary and the Catholic saints are to seek their help and support before the Lord God. No Catholic, we are assured, ever renders worship to Mary, much less a mere saint.

Of course, any reasonable person rejects this denial as nothing more than an exercise in semantics. As often has been declared here, and elsewhere, when a person kneels before an image of a saint, lights a candle as an offering and drops a few coins or bills in the handy offering box, then looks adoringly at the statue or icon and prays fervently to the soul of the dead person represented by the image – that is worship.

2692. In prayer, the pilgrim Church is associated with that of the saints, whose intercession she asks.--Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC),(C) 1994/1997 United States Catholic Conference, Inc.

The Catholic church certainly is associated with her minor deities in the matter of prayer. So much so, in fact, that she rewards those who will humble themselves before these demigods and seek their favors in sophomoric and hyperbolic prayer. Consider this prayer, composed by a Doctor of the Church, Alphonsus de Ligouri:

O Saint Teresa, seraphic Virgin, beloved spouse of thy crucified Lord, thou who on earth didst burn with a love so intense toward thy God and my God, and now dost glow with a brighter and purer flame in paradise: obtain for me also, I beseech thee, a spark of that same holy fire which shall cause me to forget the world, all things created, and even myself; for thou didst ever avidly desire to see Him loved by all men. Grant that my every thought and desire and affection may be continually directed to doing the will of God, the supreme Good, whether I am in joy or in pain, for He is worthy to be loved and obeyed forever. Obtain for me this grace, thou who art so powerful with God; may I be all on fire, like thee, with the holy love of God. Amen.

To be continued

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#985 Mar 9, 2013
Faithfully praying this prayer is to be rewarded with 300 days indulgence, or remission of temporal punishment for sin and the satisfaction owed to God. The neat thing about indulgences is that they are like Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free" cards and can be used for oneself or for the benefit of a soul in Purgatory. Kind of a twist on the prayers for the dead angle.

Should the prayerful Catholic dutifully and devoutly prayer this cloying little prayer for a full month, he is rewarded with a plenary, or full, indulgence – assuming, of course, that he fulfills all the other requirements for such a mercy.

The concept is mind-boggling. We know from Scripture that nothing impure can enter into the presence of God. We know from Scripture that God hates sin and that the punishment for unremitted sin is eternity separated from God. According to Scripture, there is but one means of atoning for sin – the shedding of blood. But whose blood? The blood of animals does not save, nor does the blood of men. Only the spilled blood of Christ is adequate to atone for the sins of mankind.

Nowhere in Scripture are we told that Christ's substitutionary sacrifice only served to atone for a part of the just punishment due every man for his sin. We are indeed made aware that there are sometimes temporal consequences for our sins (Hebrews 12), but there is no mention of the purifying flames of Purgatory. This is but another Catholic invention – one concocted by the Popes to provide a market for the selling of indulgences during the Middle Ages.

Should God choose to chastise his unruly children, it will be in this lifetime, for at death we go to our eternal home (Ecc. 12:5). Christians cannot accept the concept of Purgatory, for it is nothing more than an advertising gimmick to promote the sale of indulgences. The continuing offering of indulgences, while perhaps no longer a major source of RCC income, still serves the purpose of creating and maintaining dependency on the Roman cult to ease the consequences of sin.

Believers in the Christ of Scripture have no fear of Purgatory nor need for silly indulgences.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.--1 Thessalonians 5:9-10
IamHim

United States

#986 Mar 10, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Were the verses not speaking to the Israelites and not the gentiles who were grafted in to the promise?
Exodus 12:49
This instruction applies to everyone, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner living among you

The gentiles follow the same law that Israel does if they want to worship the God of Israel.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#987 Mar 10, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Exodus 12:49
This instruction applies to everyone, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner living among you
The gentiles follow the same law that Israel does if they want to worship the God of Israel.
Do you keep all these laws ? If you don't why not?

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#988 Mar 10, 2013
What do you do everyday to bless the name of the Lord?
IamHim

United States

#990 Mar 10, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Do you keep all these laws ? If you don't why not?
A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
Not perfectly. But I do believe in obeying them
IamHim

United States

#991 Mar 10, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Do you keep all these laws ? If you don't why not?
A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
And hopefully you understand all of those commandments arent in effect. Since some deal with the temple, others with sacrifices, others while residing in Israel just to name three examples. Nonetheless I do believe in keeping the ones that are in effect
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#992 Mar 10, 2013
prince0fdarkness wrote:
"THERE IS NO GOD BUT MYSELF" "KNOWING THIS, WHO DARES WORSHIP THE FALSE GODS OF THE KORAN AND BIBLE?"
-SATAN
FROM THE QU'RET AL-YEZID
tell us prophet, what do you do to praise the one true GOD, LUCIFER?.... eh M0R0N?
How long have you had those retarded spirits in you?

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