Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#891 Mar 7, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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If you respond to me then I will give you the curtesy of responding back even if it is only a copy/past of what I have already said. I was referring to the pagan Roman system when I stated this I believe.
There is no 'pagan Roman system'.
You have fallen under the spell of mankind's doctrines and bigoted perversion of the truth.
Change your position before it's too late.

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#892 Mar 7, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Im waiting on you to answer my questions
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Heres the other ones you ignored
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I have already stated that the angels did not fight with Michael in the literal heaven. Angels were created to carry out the plan of God. God does not and never will allow evil to dwell or perpetuate in heaven.Why would God allow evil to present itself to Him in the form of a supernatural spirit? He wouldn't and it is just a fantasy
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#893 Mar 7, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no 'pagan Roman system'.
You have fallen under the spell of mankind's doctrines and bigoted perversion of the truth.
Change your position before it's too late.
The same needs to be said for you. Shes absolutely right when she calls catholics paganists and Rome paganists.

Virgin mary? Check
Trinity? Check
Man/god? Check
Man/god dying for sins? Check
Communion? Check
Bowing to wood and stone? Check

These are all things paganists did/believed in

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#894 Mar 7, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no 'pagan Roman system'.
You have fallen under the spell of mankind's doctrines and bigoted perversion of the truth.
Change your position before it's too late.
It is your eye's that have been blinded by mankind's doctrines. This is supported by your belief in Catholicism. Why not try addressing the man made doctrines that I posted to you that you haven't replied to.
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#895 Mar 7, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I have already stated that the angels did not fight with Michael in the literal heaven. Angels were created to carry out the plan of God. God does not and never will allow evil to dwell or perpetuate in heaven.Why would God allow evil to present itself to Him in the form of a supernatural spirit? He wouldn't and it is just a fantasy
please do not tell me what God Almighty would and would not do unless He stated it in scripture. Still havent answered these questions though. So since the angels fighting with Michael were not literal:
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
How about we go back to this then:
<quoted text>
Your interpretation doesnt fit lol
1.How did the Romans fight with Michael?(NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE CONNECT MICHAEL WITH JESUS BEFORE YOU GO THERE)
2. How did the Romans lose the fight with Michael and get thrown out of heaven along with angels?
3. How were the Romans bound for 1000 years?
4. When were the Romans released to deceive the world one more time?
5. When and HOW did the Romans deceive the whole world?
Heres the other ones you ignored
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?

Since: Jun 12

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#896 Mar 7, 2013
The serpent is cast out of heaven, implying it was originally there. But the literal serpent in Eden was created by God out of the dust of the earth (Gen. 1: 24-25). There is no implication that the devil came down from heaven and got inside the serpent

There is no reference here to angels sinning or rebelling against God, only to a war in heaven. There is no possibility of anyone fighting God in Heaven: "No one can oppose what I do" Deut. 33:39

There is nothing indicating that all this happened in the Garden of Eden. A vital point is made in Rev. 1:1 and 4:1 - that the Revelation is a prophecy of "things which must shortly come to pass". It is not therefore a description of what happened in Eden, but a prophecy of things to happen at some time after the first century, when the Revelation was given by Jesus. Any who are truly humble to the Word will see that this argument alone precludes all attempts to refer Rev. 12 to the garden of Eden. The question has also to be answered as to why the identity of the devil and information about what happened in Eden should be reserved until the end of the Bible before being revealed.

. "The great dragon was...that old serpent" (Rev. 12:9.) The dragon had " seven heads and ten horns" (v. 3), therefore it was not literally the serpent. It being called "that old serpent" shows that it had the characteristics of that serpent in Eden, in the sense of being a deceiver, as the serpent was. Similarly, "the sting of death is sin" (1 Cor. 15:56), but that does not mean that death is a literal snake. It has the characteristics of the snake, through it's association with sin.

We then come to v. 7 - "there was war in heaven". All other references to "heaven" in Rev. 12 having been figurative, it seems only consistent that this was war in a figurative heaven. This must be the case, as there can be no rebellion or sin in literal heaven (Matt. 6:10; Ps.5:4,5; Hab. 1:13). The common view claims that wicked angels are locked up in hell; but here they are in heaven. They are not therefore literal angels.

I will continue tomorrow as it is now dinner time and no I am not escaping the questions
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#897 Mar 7, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
The serpent is cast out of heaven, implying it was originally there. But the literal serpent in Eden was created by God out of the dust of the earth (Gen. 1: 24-25). There is no implication that the devil came down from heaven and got inside the serpent
There is no reference here to angels sinning or rebelling against God, only to a war in heaven. There is no possibility of anyone fighting God in Heaven: "No one can oppose what I do" Deut. 33:39
There is nothing indicating that all this happened in the Garden of Eden. A vital point is made in Rev. 1:1 and 4:1 - that the Revelation is a prophecy of "things which must shortly come to pass". It is not therefore a description of what happened in Eden, but a prophecy of things to happen at some time after the first century, when the Revelation was given by Jesus. Any who are truly humble to the Word will see that this argument alone precludes all attempts to refer Rev. 12 to the garden of Eden. The question has also to be answered as to why the identity of the devil and information about what happened in Eden should be reserved until the end of the Bible before being revealed.
. "The great dragon was...that old serpent" (Rev. 12:9.) The dragon had " seven heads and ten horns" (v. 3), therefore it was not literally the serpent. It being called "that old serpent" shows that it had the characteristics of that serpent in Eden, in the sense of being a deceiver, as the serpent was. Similarly, "the sting of death is sin" (1 Cor. 15:56), but that does not mean that death is a literal snake. It has the characteristics of the snake, through it's association with sin.
We then come to v. 7 - "there was war in heaven". All other references to "heaven" in Rev. 12 having been figurative, it seems only consistent that this was war in a figurative heaven. This must be the case, as there can be no rebellion or sin in literal heaven (Matt. 6:10; Ps.5:4,5; Hab. 1:13). The common view claims that wicked angels are locked up in hell; but here they are in heaven. They are not therefore literal angels.
I will continue tomorrow as it is now dinner time and no I am not escaping the questions
Ok when you do return can you actually respond to what I asked? Not googling an answer as I found your answer on this website
http://biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study06G...
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
How about we go back to this then:
<quoted text>
Your interpretation doesnt fit lol
1.How did the Romans fight with Michael?(NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE CONNECT MICHAEL WITH JESUS BEFORE YOU GO THERE)
2. How did the Romans lose the fight with Michael and get thrown out of heaven along with angels?
3. How were the Romans bound for 1000 years?
4. When were the Romans released to deceive the world one more time?
5. When and HOW did the Romans deceive the whole world?
Heres the other ones you ignored
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?

Since: Jun 12

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#898 Mar 7, 2013
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok when you do return can you actually respond to what I asked? Not googling an answer as I found your answer on this website
http://biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study06G...
<quoted text>
Heres the other ones you ignored
<quoted text>
You have provided no documentation to provide the false belief that you believe in
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#899 Mar 7, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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You have provided no documentation to provide the false belief that you believe in
Im still waiting for you to answer the questions I've been posing for about the last 5 pages or so lol After you actually respond to the questions I posed then we can discuss what you want. Thats only fair right? Since I've been asking for awhile now to no avail

Here are the questions
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
How about we go back to this then:
<quoted text>
Your interpretation doesnt fit lol
1.How did the Romans fight with Michael?(NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE CONNECT MICHAEL WITH JESUS BEFORE YOU GO THERE)
2. How did the Romans lose the fight with Michael and get thrown out of heaven along with angels?
3. How were the Romans bound for 1000 years?
4. When were the Romans released to deceive the world one more time?
5. When and HOW did the Romans deceive the whole world?
Heres the other ones you ignored
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?
Dont you think that responding to the sentences with (?) at the end would shut me up? I mean how could I continue copying and pasting the same thing over and over if you already answered the questions in the post? I couldnt unless Im doing what I claimed you were doing. Arguing just to argue.

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#900 Mar 8, 2013
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Im still waiting for you to answer the questions I've been posing for about the last 5 pages or so lol After you actually respond to the questions I posed then we can discuss what you want. Thats only fair right? Since I've been asking for awhile now to no avail
Here are the questions
<quoted text>
Heres the other ones you ignored
<quoted text>
Dont you think that responding to the sentences with (?) at the end would shut me up? I mean how could I continue copying and pasting the same thing over and over if you already answered the questions in the post? I couldnt unless Im doing what I claimed you were doing. Arguing just to argue.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn. They have already been answered, so you repeating them means that you are unable to comprehend the answers given to you. I am not here to shut you up but just to show that you are stupid which I have already done. LOL

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#901 Mar 8, 2013
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok when you do return can you actually respond to what I asked? Not googling an answer as I found your answer on this website
http://biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study06G...
<quoted text>
Heres the other ones you ignored
<quoted text>
You must be desperate to try and show that I am using certain websites to support my beliefs. Carry on and continue to show that you have no back up to support your beliefs. LOL
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#902 Mar 8, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn. They have already been answered, so you repeating them means that you are unable to comprehend the answers given to you. I am not here to shut you up but just to show that you are stupid which I have already done. LOL
Now here come the insults lol. Why are you calling names? Is that what Jesus would want you doing? lol I'll wait for you to either point out the post you answered the questions or for you to answer them
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
How about we go back to this then:
<quoted text>
Your interpretation doesnt fit lol
1.How did the Romans fight with Michael?(NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE CONNECT MICHAEL WITH JESUS BEFORE YOU GO THERE)
2. How did the Romans lose the fight with Michael and get thrown out of heaven along with angels?
3. How were the Romans bound for 1000 years?
4. When were the Romans released to deceive the world one more time?
5. When and HOW did the Romans deceive the whole world?
Heres the other ones you ignored
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#903 Mar 8, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be desperate to try and show that I am using certain websites to support my beliefs. Carry on and continue to show that you have no back up to support your beliefs. LOL
I was just wondering two things.

1. Why you werent answering these questions or pointing to where you answered EACH question

IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
How about we go back to this then:
<quoted text>
Your interpretation doesnt fit lol
1.How did the Romans fight with Michael?(NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE CONNECT MICHAEL WITH JESUS BEFORE YOU GO THERE)
2. How did the Romans lose the fight with Michael and get thrown out of heaven along with angels?
3. How were the Romans bound for 1000 years?
4. When were the Romans released to deceive the world one more time?
5. When and HOW did the Romans deceive the whole world?
Heres the other ones you ignored

IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?
and

2. Why you copy and paste from websites but do not quote them. Are you trying to pass them off as if its your own knowledge when you're simply googling someone that agrees with you? Im sure this would be the question you answered had I not said anything lol =/

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#904 Mar 8, 2013
IamHim wrote:
IamHim wrote:
1.How did the Romans fight with Michael?(NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE CONNECT MICHAEL WITH JESUS BEFORE YOU GO THERE)
2. How did the Romans lose the fight with Michael and get thrown out of heaven along with angels?
3. How were the Romans bound for 1000 years?
4. When were the Romans released to deceive the world one more time?
5. When and HOW did the Romans deceive the whole world?
The war in heaven is not meant to be taken literally as it is symbolic. The woman giving birth to a son in heaven is referring to the church on earth. The devil and his angels being thrown out of heaven is referring to the overthrow of paganism in the Roman empire. Michael and his angels is symbolized by Constantine and his followers who fought in the name of Christ. Revelation states that it is talking about things that must soon come to pass, it being written in AD 96

The dragon represents sin/Rome (against Christ) in the political arena on earth. The word dragon is from the Greek drakon the root word meaning to see, and the fact it is red, it represents sin (as mentioned in Isa 1:18). The dragon was used as a standard for Rome, and it was first used as an ensign at the close of the second century. The warfare that is taking place is in the same "heaven" where the woman gives birth.(the woman is referring to the church and its beginnings)Although Michael has been used as a title for Jesus, here "Michael and his angels" is referring to Constantine and his followers who claimed to have fought in the name of Christ. The dragon and his angels is being symbolized by the pagan military power of Rome. Being cast out is referring to the fact that paganism was overthrown politically by Constantine. The serpent in the beginning gave expression to the mind of the flesh (against God) and the dragon was the political manifestation of the same thinking.(against God) "Called the devil" signifies false accuser (against God). The three terms dragon,satan and devil are all aligned together under the same type of thinking that goes against the ways of God. If you don't understand it this time you will never get it

Sinful thinking will be bound for a 1000 years when Jesus returns

The Romans were in control of all the known world at that time and their pagan religion was imposed on the people. They denied people access to the true word of God by making it illegal and by persecuting and killing those who followed anything other than the state religion. To deceive means to make people believe something that is not true. Their polytheistic beliefs were counter to the truth

Since: Jun 12

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#905 Mar 8, 2013
IamHim wrote:
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?
I have already explained to you that if the translator had wanted to use the same word he could have but he didn't. It is a different word that he chose and the dragon was the most appropriate one considering that they were down at the water and not in his palace. Ancient Egyptians would keep crocodiles in pools and temples. They ornamented the crocodiles with jewels in honor of their beloved god, Sobek. The people of ancient Egypt worshiped Sobek in order to appease him, the crocodiles, and to insure the fertility of their people and crops.

Since: Jun 12

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#906 Mar 8, 2013
IamHim wrote:
2. Why you copy and paste from websites but do not quote them. Are you trying to pass them off as if its your own knowledge when you're simply googling someone that agrees with you? Im sure this would be the question you answered had I not said anything lol =/
I use websites to support my beliefs yes.The fact that you were on the same site proves that you do to. I do not take credit for what I use. You state that I am the only person who believes what I do and you are wrong as can be seen by you doing your own googling. LOL
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#907 Mar 8, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
I use websites to support my beliefs yes.The fact that you were on the same site proves that you do to. I do not take credit for what I use. You state that I am the only person who believes what I do and you are wrong as can be seen by you doing your own googling. LOL
1. I did not use that website. I copied part of your quote and googled it and thats what came up lol. I was pretty sure that you werent using yourself to come to these conclusions

3. When you copy/paste something and do not quote it (which would make the reader assume its your words) you are taking credit. Maybe not directly, but indirectly at the least.

3. I never stated you were the only one to believe as you do. Just that you (well actually google) privately interpret scripture.
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#908 Mar 8, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
The war in heaven is not meant to be taken literally as it is symbolic. The woman giving birth to a son in heaven is referring to the church on earth. The devil and his angels being thrown out of heaven is referring to the overthrow of paganism in the Roman empire. Michael and his angels is symbolized by Constantine and his followers who fought in the name of Christ. Revelation states that it is talking about things that must soon come to pass, it being written in AD 96
Dang you finally answered my questions lol.

Well lets see.

1. Constantine fought in the name of Jesus yet decided to ignore Jesus and put up a pagan christianity? Am I getting this right? Since when did Michael represent a human? Because you say so? I guess in Jude Michael represents a human as well. And in the book of Daniel

2. Constantine did not overthrow paganism. He instituted christianity with pagan ideals. In other words, combined Jesus with paganism. So how was paganism overthrown if it continued on with a twist of christianity?
Sheilaa wrote:
The dragon represents sin/Rome (against Christ) in the political arena on earth. The word dragon is from the Greek drakon the root word meaning to see, and the fact it is red, it represents sin (as mentioned in Isa 1:18). The dragon was used as a standard for Rome, and it was first used as an ensign at the close of the second century. The warfare that is taking place is in the same "heaven" where the woman gives birth.(the woman is referring to the church and its beginnings)Although Michael has been used as a title for Jesus, here "Michael and his angels" is referring to Constantine and his followers who claimed to have fought in the name of Christ. The dragon and his angels is being symbolized by the pagan military power of Rome. Being cast out is referring to the fact that paganism was overthrown politically by Constantine. The serpent in the beginning gave expression to the mind of the flesh (against God) and the dragon was the political manifestation of the same thinking.(against God) "Called the devil" signifies false accuser (against God). The three terms dragon,satan and devil are all aligned together under the same type of thinking that goes against the ways of God. If you don't understand it this time you will never get it
1. Paganism wasnt overthrown. You and I already agreed that Constantine inserted christianity with pagan ideals. So again how was paganism overthrown if the pagan religions was supplanted by pagan christianity?
2. NOWHERE in the bible is Jesus referred to as Michael.
3. I understand EXACTLY what you're saying. It just makes no sense and involves gymnastics. You have to flip one thing here another thing there to make it make sense.
Sheilaa wrote:
Sinful thinking will be bound for a 1000 years when Jesus returns
So now the dragon/devil/serpent changes from pagan rome to "sinful thinking" with nothing to support this?
Sheilaa wrote:
The Romans were in control of all the known world at that time and their pagan religion was imposed on the people. They denied people access to the true word of God by making it illegal and by persecuting and killing those who followed anything other than the state religion. To deceive means to make people believe something that is not true. Their polytheistic beliefs were counter to the truth
It didnt say the whole KNOWN world. That would be adding on just as Revelation 22 tells you not to do right? It says WHOLE WORLD. It also doesnt say they FORCED people to do anything. That is not deceit. Deceit is TRICKING you or LYING to you or MISLEADING. If I put a gun to your head and tell you to do something I didnt deceive you lol. The word FORCED is used in Revelation 13:16. Why not use the word here if thats what happened? Im just turning your logic around on you =/
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#909 Mar 8, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
I have already explained to you that if the translator had wanted to use the same word he could have but he didn't. It is a different word that he chose and the dragon was the most appropriate one considering that they were down at the water and not in his palace. Ancient Egyptians would keep crocodiles in pools and temples. They ornamented the crocodiles with jewels in honor of their beloved god, Sobek. The people of ancient Egypt worshiped Sobek in order to appease him, the crocodiles, and to insure the fertility of their people and crops.
Come on Ms. Sheilla you answered my other questions why continue to ignore these?
IamHim wrote:
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?
Problems with your post

1. Egyptians worshiped a VARIETY of gods. Why you're choosing one and setting it above all others is just to fit your stance lol
2. Egyptians also had a serpent god. Not that it matters because there were a VARIETY of gods worshiped in ancient Egypt.
3. Can you stop using the word "translator"? Because these are translators:

http://bible.cc/exodus/7-9.htm
and
http://bible.cc/exodus/7-10.htm

These TRANSLATORS say that its serpent not dragon. If you're talking of the ORIGINAL HEBREW WRITERS than it would tannin. Which can mean serpent, sea monster/whale and dragon. But dont mind this please just answere these questions that you keep avoiding. You did the other ones already this shouldnt be too hard lol
IamHim wrote:
Im not even gonna waste time on this. I dont even have to point out the contradictions in the NT. I dont even have to point out how we do not know/understand ALL THE HEBREW that is in the bible and that there are certain verses/phrases where the meaning is uncertain. Do I?
Concerning what we are discussing; heres what we know
1. Tannin can be either a dragon, serpent, sea monster/whale
2. Tannin is used in verse 9/10 of Exodus 7.
3. Verse 15 of Exodus 7 tells us that it is a serpent that the rod turned into
Therefore how could I come to the conclusion that not only is tannin not a sea monster/whale or serpent, but automatically dragon? ESPECIALLY when verse 15 tells me that its a serpent. how would verse 15 not explain to us that the correct translation of tannin is serpent?

Since: Aug 07

Akron, OH

#910 Mar 8, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
I know we share Old Testament Scriptures, but Jews don't interpret the Old Testament as Christians do.
Christians worship Jesus of Nazareth AS GOD. The Jews don't. Christians believe in a "Triune" God. Jews do not believe in the Trinity as Christians teach.
It seems to me as a new believer that alot of the Israel-like stuff that appears on "Christian" TV and radio doesn't really go with Christian teaching.
I'm just a newbie Christian but I find this kinda confusing.
if there is a God,I'm betting there's just one.

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