Do Jews and Christians worship the sa...

Sheilaa

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#569 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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My beliefs come from the Torah and the prophets. I bring you things that state what Im saying in plain language with no twisting/adding/taking away needed. You on the otherhand have to flip scripture to mean one thing or another.
Well that is, unless you believe the OT was written by "Hellenistic Jews" than that is another thing. But if you believe the OT to be the word of God Almighty, than that is where my beliefs come from.
No your beliefs come from your interpretation of the scriptures. I could find you ten different people who would all have different views or interpretations. In relation to the old testament

There is no Hebrew word that can be translated as "demons" to communicate what that word implies in English. There does lie behind the Old Testament conception a basic animistic and mythological world view with which the Israelites are in dialog. But they are using the terms and in dialog with such conceptions, not because they accept them or are dominated by them, but precisely to deny the validity of such mythological world views. The biblical writers use the terms not to accept what they represent but precisely to reject it. It is clear that there was a popular belief among Israelites in such things as ghosts and the mythological creatures of Canaanite religion. But the biblical tradition as it stands moves beyond such popular mythological conceptions to a vision of a Creator, a sovereign God who is in sole control of the world, and does not share that with anything or anyone. So again, there are no "demons" in the Old Testament, only idols that are rejected as "no-gods."

Taken from http://www.cresourcei.org/demonsot.html

Do yourself a favour and educate yourself on the word and its application in the old testament
IamHim

United States

#570 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I have given you the definition of spirit now go and read the passage again. Music would not heal the evil spirit can't you see how ridiculous you sound? Music lifts a person's feelings/mood it doesn't get rid of an evil "spirit" Fairytales
If the one playing was endowed with musical skill from the One that Always existed? Anything is possible. But as I said you hav play gymnastics with scripture just so your beliefs make sense lol. I on the otherhand have been telling you what the prophets/servants of God Almighty stated in plain language.

Sheilaa

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#571 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Post 127 of this thread.
Had you been "reading strongs for years" as you stated, why would you say "Boy it looks like Hebrew needs to be learnt to really understand how the OT was written" when you would have already known this by "reading" strongs?
The reason I stated that was because by knowing the biblical hebrew along with the histroy it would give a truer picture of what is meant by the writers. When I stated that I had been reading strong's for years I meant reading it in the application of looking up what the words meant in the original language when I needed to clarigy something

Sheilaa

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#572 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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How do you know that these have nothing to do with DEMONS? Oh thats right you dont. I dont care if you're a nurse, doctor, physician or whatever else. You dont know the spiritual ramifications of all that we do INCLUDING the sorcery that you pass out to patients or what you call "medicine", Dont believe me? Look up Pharmakeia
It's no use giving pearls to swine

Sheilaa

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#573 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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If the one playing was endowed with musical skill from the One that Always existed? Anything is possible. But as I said you hav play gymnastics with scripture just so your beliefs make sense lol. I on the otherhand have been telling you what the prophets/servants of God Almighty stated in plain language.
The evil spirit was his mind. I have not played gymnastics at all. You use the word because it doesn't fit in with your beliefs and you are unable to open up your limited view. You are just like the Pharisees and you are unable to see the truth
IamHim

United States

#574 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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No your beliefs come from your interpretation of the scriptures. I could find you ten different people who would all have different views or interpretations. In relation to the old testament
There is no Hebrew word that can be translated as "demons" to communicate what that word implies in English. There does lie behind the Old Testament conception a basic animistic and mythological world view with which the Israelites are in dialog. But they are using the terms and in dialog with such conceptions, not because they accept them or are dominated by them, but precisely to deny the validity of such mythological world views. The biblical writers use the terms not to accept what they represent but precisely to reject it. It is clear that there was a popular belief among Israelites in such things as ghosts and the mythological creatures of Canaanite religion. But the biblical tradition as it stands moves beyond such popular mythological conceptions to a vision of a Creator, a sovereign God who is in sole control of the world, and does not share that with anything or anyone. So again, there are no "demons" in the Old Testament, only idols that are rejected as "no-gods."
Taken from http://www.cresourcei.org/demonsot.html
Do yourself a favour and educate yourself on the word and its application in the old testament
Demon definition:

An evil spirit or devil, esp. one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
A cruel, evil, or destructive person or thing.

Yes. The Hebrews believed in demons by the definition. No they did not call them demons but they believed in them. Well if they believed in the prophets and the writings of the Hebrews that are in the OT. If they did not believe the writings, than thats a whole other story. But I go by the writings not what one person here or there believed.

Funny lol Someone that has not read the OT is telling me to educate myself when it comes to it lol. The irony

Sheilaa

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#575 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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When speaking on the Hebrews/Jews whatever you call them it is not. Because I have read what they're supposed to believe. And its not in a godman that comes and dies for their sins while adding/taking away from the law.
I don't believe that Jesus is God, he was the son of God they are not the same thing. That is for another time. Anyway I am off to a bible study so it's been fun but time to go!!!!
IamHim

United States

#576 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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The reason I stated that was because by knowing the biblical hebrew along with the histroy it would give a truer picture of what is meant by the writers. When I stated that I had been reading strong's for years I meant reading it in the application of looking up what the words meant in the original language when I needed to clarigy something
If you had be using strongs for YEARS you would have already known that knowing the biblical hebrew would give a better detail of what the original writers meant. This would be common sense if you had been using strongs FOR YEARS.
IamHim

United States

#577 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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The evil spirit was his mind. I have not played gymnastics at all. You use the word because it doesn't fit in with your beliefs and you are unable to open up your limited view. You are just like the Pharisees and you are unable to see the truth
The evil spirit was sent from God Almighty. Whatever you call it, it wasnt a good thing and replaced the former spirit (the Spirit of God Almighty) that Saul had.

If the pharisees believed in the Torah and prophets of God Almighty than yes I am exactly like them. Anything else is your opinion.
IamHim

United States

#578 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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It's no use giving pearls to swine
Yea and I just gave you one too (Pharmakeia) lol :D
IamHim

United States

#579 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I don't believe that Jesus is God, he was the son of God they are not the same thing. That is for another time. Anyway I am off to a bible study so it's been fun but time to go!!!!
Never said you did believe as such. Just that people get these beliefs from the NT. And thus fall into error. Reading the OT for what it is would lead one to understand that these are false beliefs.

Sheilaa

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#580 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Demon definition:
An evil spirit or devil, esp. one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
A cruel, evil, or destructive person or thing.
Yes. The Hebrews believed in demons by the definition. No they did not call them demons but they believed in them. Well if they believed in the prophets and the writings of the Hebrews that are in the OT. If they did not believe the writings, than thats a whole other story. But I go by the writings not what one person here or there believed.
Funny lol Someone that has not read the OT is telling me to educate myself when it comes to it lol. The irony
Please reveal where you have taken your definition from.As there is no direct translation from Hebrew into English. Reading something does not endow a person with understanding as can be seen in your case.

Sheilaa

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#581 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Yea and I just gave you one too (Pharmakeia) lol :D
What is the point you are struggling to make, that you don't take any medications?

Sheilaa

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#582 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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The evil spirit was sent from God Almighty. Whatever you call it, it wasnt a good thing and replaced the former spirit (the Spirit of God Almighty) that Saul had.
If the pharisees believed in the Torah and prophets of God Almighty than yes I am exactly like them. Anything else is your opinion.
The reason that Saul's mind was troubled was because he disobeyed God and thought he knew better. Instead of letting the priests do their job he offered a sacrifice himself. Saul had lost his spiritual perspective. He had lost his reliance on God. Samuel told him directly that this was the reason that the Spirit of God was departed from him, He ended up being a people pleaser instead of a God pleaser. He was also a coward who committed suicide by falling on this own sword.It can be clearly seen he was unbalanced and his guilt and pride got the better of him

Sheilaa

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#583 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Never said you did believe as such. Just that people get these beliefs from the NT. And thus fall into error. Reading the OT for what it is would lead one to understand that these are false beliefs.
You were the one who referred to a godman not me why address it to me? If you do not believe in the NT why do you use scriptures from it to try and support your opinions?
IamHim

United States

#584 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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You were the one who referred to a godman not me why address it to me? If you do not believe in the NT why do you use scriptures from it to try and support your opinions?
The NT (mainly Paul) teaches that Jesus was God who came and died for our sins. Reading the OT (which you admittedly havent) one would see these ideas do not corroborate with the Torah/Prophets. Thus is a mark against Jesus being who people say he is (the Messiah, God Almighty in the flesh etc...)

While I used to believe in the NT, I used it because YOU believed in it. Thus I was showing you how ridiculous it was to hold your position on the topic of Satan/angels. Little did I know that you would show that you have olympic level ability in gymnastics when it comes to scripture lol Had I knew, I probably wouldnt have put so much effort into it
IamHim

United States

#585 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Please reveal where you have taken your definition from.As there is no direct translation from Hebrew into English. Reading something does not endow a person with understanding as can be seen in your case.
Thats the definition of demon in english. Read that definition than go to where Saul was given an evil spirit by ____(fill in the blank).
IamHim

United States

#586 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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What is the point you are struggling to make, that you don't take any medications?
If you dont even know what the word means whats the point? Look it up it has to do with your profession of nursing
IamHim

United States

#587 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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The reason that Saul's mind was troubled was because he disobeyed God and thought he knew better. Instead of letting the priests do their job he offered a sacrifice himself. Saul had lost his spiritual perspective. He had lost his reliance on God. Samuel told him directly that this was the reason that the Spirit of God was departed from him, He ended up being a people pleaser instead of a God pleaser. He was also a coward who committed suicide by falling on this own sword.It can be clearly seen he was unbalanced and his guilt and pride got the better of him
Thanks for the reasoning of Saul being given an evil spirit that possessed him. What did this have to do with my post though?
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#588 Feb 23, 2013
Jews = Talmud = Devil
Christian = New Testament = Jesus

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