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IamHim

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#509 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I don't understand what you are suggesting?
Nowhere did it say that God SAW the war right? Just that it happened?

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#510 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Come on what do you the "apostolic-churches" are gonna believe? EXACTLY AS MATTHEW 1:23 states! That Jesus was born of a virgin. Find a better source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah
Look at Bethulah and where its used in Isaiah. Each time it means VIRGIN and yet almah (which is young woman to any HEBREW speaking person not an apologetic) is somehow the best word used Isaiah 7:14?
Still waiting to hear your explanation about Bethulah meaning virgin each and every time it is used in the old testament. You seem to have misplaced my post and not given me a response to that claims of yours. LOL

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#511 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Nowhere did it say that God SAW the war right? Just that it happened?
He didn't see it because it didn't happen as you suggest it did.

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#512 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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How is this "allegorical" but Isaiah 59 and Habakkuk 1:13 arent?
Where have I claimed that those two scriptures are not allegorical?

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#513 Feb 21, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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You are preaching a doctrine adverse to the true gospel.
You must have read the warnings about that kind of sin against The Holy Spirit.
If you truly believe that then show me were I am wrong and your interpretation is right
IamHim

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#514 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Still waiting to hear your explanation about Bethulah meaning virgin each and every time it is used in the old testament. You seem to have misplaced my post and not given me a response to that claims of yours. LOL
I saw it and started to respond. But everytime I bring scripture you twist it to mean something else that it didnt. So theres no point. Here's All that you've done in this thread:

1. you said God cannot look at wickedness. I then bring scripture that CLEARLY states that He looks on both the wicked and and you come up with an excuse as to why it does not contradict your original statement that He cannot look at sin.

2. You say Satan is not a being that God created. I then go to Job 1 where Satan (with the sons of God) comes to God Almighty and He tells Satan that Job is in his hands to test. You then tell me that this Satan is not a being that God Almighty created but a man lol. I then go to Jesus words where Satan is tempting him in the wilderness ( I dont remember what you said to this) and to where he said that the pharisees father was the devil. I dont remember how you responded to this either. I then go to Revelation where it speaks of Satan/The Devil/The accuser being thrown out of heaven and then eventually to the lake of fire. You say this satan represents... Cant remember again

These are just 2 instances off the top. And now we're on the virgin talk. Instead of going to Genesis and seeing where VIRGIN is used or going to Isaiah and seeing him use BETHULAH as virgin at least 5 times, you go google someone that agrees with you and act as if that is proof lol. Do you understand that I can do the same? Maybe maybe not. But when one uses gymnastics to flip scripture around to fit whatever belief they hold, theres not much someone else can do to teach/correct them. Because if they bring scripture the gymnast will just flip that scripture to mean something it doesnt. Which has tired me out lol. Maybe later or tomorrow I'll have more energy to compete with your gymnastics or maybe not. But after awhile it just becomes pointless for me to continue to search for a verse that contradicts whatever false doctrine you're spouting, because you'll flip it into meaning something else.[/end rant] lol
IamHim

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#515 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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He didn't see it because it didn't happen as you suggest it did.
Not what your savior Jesus said lol

Luke 10:18
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Nor is it what Revelation states

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.

The "accuser" sounds like the same Satan that was "accusing" Job of only being faithful to God because of the things God Almighty did for him.
IamHim

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#516 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Where have I claimed that those two scriptures are not allegorical?
God Almighty sees all things. I cannot do something and Him not see and take note. I dont see where you would get the idea that He doesnt see people committing wicked acts.

You didnt claim that they werent but you implied. You said God doesnt see sin and posted scripture to support your point. I then posted scripture that show He DOES see it and that your interpretation of the scripture is incorrect. You then compete in your gymnastics and tell me that its allegorical AFTER you just posted scripture as proof that God Almighty DOES NOT see evil. Like I said theres nothing I can do about that. Its like me saying Adam didnt exist and you show me Genesis 3 where Adam is clearly stated, and I flip it to say "Well the word in Hebrew is mankind so can you show me where ADAM existed?" You wouldnt be able to because I flipped scripture around. And even if you found another scripture, I could privately interpret it and flip it to mean whatever I wanted. No one can be taught or corrected like that. So its a waste of time. I entertained it for awhile but I see that its actually going nowhere. You will continue to compete in gymnastics with scripture that contradicts whatever point you made.

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#517 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
Here's All that you've done in this thread:

1. you said God cannot look at wickedness. I then bring scripture that CLEARLY states that He looks on both the wicked and and you come up with an excuse as to why it does not contradict your original statement that He cannot look at sin.

A:The inspired word of God states that not me. I didn't deny that is was allogorical

2. You say Satan is not a being that God created. I then go to Job 1 where Satan (with the sons of God) comes to God Almighty and He tells Satan that Job is in his hands to test. You then tell me that this Satan is not a being that God Almighty created but a man lol. I then go to Jesus words where Satan is tempting him in the wilderness ( I dont remember what you said to this) and to where he said that the pharisees father was the devil. I dont remember how you responded to this either. I then go to Revelation where it speaks of Satan/The Devil/The accuser being thrown out of heaven and then eventually to the lake of fire. You say this satan represents... Cant remember again

A: I never said that satan was not created by God we are all created in part due to God. What I stated was that I didn't agree with your interpretation of what or who satan was. I asked you to expand but you felt unable to.

Instead of going to Genesis and seeing where VIRGIN is used or going to Isaiah and seeing him use BETHULAH as virgin at least 5 times, you go google someone that agrees with you and act as if that is proof lol. Do you understand that I can do the same?

A: I didn't go to google to get an answer I went to strong's concordance and provided the number to support what I stated in relation to what it meant

Which has tired me out lol. Maybe later or tomorrow I'll have more energy to compete with your gymnastics or maybe not. But after awhile it just becomes pointless for me to continue to search for a verse that contradicts whatever false doctrine you're spouting, because you'll flip it into meaning something else.[/end rant] lol

A: You are admitting defeat because you are unable to provide answers to my questions. I have provided scriptures to support what I am saying they are not my words. No wonder you are tired because you are unable to back up what you are espousing
IamHim

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#518 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Here's All that you've done in this thread:

A:The inspired word of God states that not me. I didn't deny that is was allogorical
Nope. It clearly says that His eyes are on the wicked and the good. Therefore He sees what both do. Also

Psalm 139
1 O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. 2 You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. 3 You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. 4 Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD. 5 You hem me in--behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me. 6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain. 7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. 9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, 10 even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. 11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," 12 even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: I never said that satan was not created by God we are all created in part due to God. What I stated was that I didn't agree with your interpretation of what or who satan was. I asked you to expand but you felt unable to.
I already expounded on it. The best I could do is show you scripture that I dont particularly believe in. I showed you Jesus talking about Satan/ the Devil, I showed you Satan in Job then I showed you Revelation saying Satan being thrown out of heaven and being punished. If none of that shows you that he is a being well than theres nothing I can do. Because those are the only mentions of Satan besides Paul's letters.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: I didn't go to google to get an answer I went to strong's concordance and provided the number to support what I stated in relation to what it meant
Nah. You copied and pasted from a website. Im not talking about when you posted the definition from Strong's but the "explanation" (and I use this word loosely) you posted.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: You are admitting defeat because you are unable to provide answers to my questions. I have provided scriptures to support what I am saying they are not my words. No wonder you are tired because you are unable to back up what you are espousing
Defeat? Remember when you said this wasnt about winning or being right? Nonetheless no you didnt do these things

1. Show where the sons of Seth are mentioned and why they are the sons of God in Genesis 6 even though the first verse clearly identifies that MEN were multiplying on the earth.

2. How the Satan mentioned in Job is not a being that God Almighty created, but a man.

3. How Satan/the Devil in Revelation does not represent a being that was thrown out of heaven but represents___?

So the only reason Im tired is because you play WAY TOO MUCH gymnastics for my liking. Anything that goes against your belief is suddenly a metaphor or allegory. So nothing I can do because if I bring scripture you play gymnastics :(

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#519 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Not what your savior Jesus said lol
Luke 10:18
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Nor is it what Revelation states
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
The "accuser" sounds like the same Satan that was "accusing" Job of only being faithful to God because of the things God Almighty did for him.
Not what your savior Jesus said lol
Luke 10:18
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Nor is it what Revelation states

A: and yet the events written in revelation occured after Jesus had died. The passage does not say that satan is an angel who had sinned and who was being punished by being thrown out of heaven.
Jesus sees this happen DURING his ministry, around AD30-33. There is NO indication that this is something that happened before the creation of the world. Revelation was written of THINGS TO COME NOT WHAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

A: I have already explained this text in a prior post

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
The "accuser" sounds like the same Satan that was "accusing" Job of only being faithful to God because of the things God Almighty did for him.

A:This is referring to the victory of Constantine against the paganism that was rampant prior to his victory.

Sounds like doesn't cut it
IamHim

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#520 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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A: and yet the events written in revelation occured after Jesus had died. The passage does not say that satan is an angel who had sinned and who was being punished by being thrown out of heaven.
Jesus sees this happen DURING his ministry, around AD30-33. There is NO indication that this is something that happened before the creation of the world. Revelation was written of THINGS TO COME NOT WHAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED
So who was the devil and why was he called Satan/the serpent/the accuser? The same Satan/accuser as the one in Job?
Sheilaa wrote:
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
A: I have already explained this text in a prior post
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
The "accuser" sounds like the same Satan that was "accusing" Job of only being faithful to God because of the things God Almighty did for him.
A:This is referring to the victory of Constantine against the paganism that was rampant prior to his victory.
Sounds like doesn't cut it
The accuser of our brothers and sisters who accuses them before God Almighty day and night is not the Satan in Job who was accusing of Job before God Almighty?

This is the gymnastics I was talking about. How was this Satan thrown out of heaven where he had a war with Michael? Who was Satan? Who were his angels? What does it mean that he was hurled to earth? Too many holes in your interpretation

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#521 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
Nope. It clearly says that His eyes are on the wicked and the good. Therefore He sees what both do.

A: It is allegorical

Also
Psalm 139
1 O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. 2 You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. 3 You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. 4 Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD. 5 You hem me in--behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me. 6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain. 7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. 9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, 10 even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. 11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," 12 even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
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A: Nowhere is sight mentioned. It mentions search, perceive, knowledge etc etc

I already expounded on it. The best I could do is show you scripture that I dont particularly believe in. I showed you Jesus talking about Satan/ the Devil, I showed you Satan in Job then I showed you Revelation saying Satan being thrown out of heaven and being punished. If none of that shows you that he is a being well than theres nothing I can do. Because those are the only mentions of Satan besides Paul's letters.

A: I have proven that your interpretation is wrong but you just can't accept it. The events that you are referring to have nothing to do with what John saw they were related to future events

Nah. You copied and pasted from a website. Im not talking about when you posted the definition from Strong's but the "explanation" (and I use this word loosely) you posted.

A: We all do that and if it supports my claim and it can be shown biblically to support what I state then no problem

Defeat? Remember when you said this wasnt about winning or being right? Nonetheless no you didnt do these things

A: Yes and it obviously left a big impression on you because that is what you do. You have proven nothing to disprove my claims

1. Show where the sons of Seth are mentioned and why they are the sons of God in Genesis 6 even though the first verse clearly identifies that MEN were multiplying on the earth.

A:The sons of God were men and yes they were multiplying just like God told them to. Cain was the first murderer and he was sent away by God

2. How the Satan mentioned in Job is not a being that God Almighty created, but a man.

A: The word just means adversary nowhere is it indicated to be a spiritual being

3. How Satan/the Devil in Revelation does not represent a being that was thrown out of heaven but represents___?

A: There was no Satan in heaven I have already shown that

So the only reason Im tired is because you play WAY TOO MUCH gymnastics for my liking. Anything that goes against your belief is suddenly a metaphor or allegory. So nothing I can do because if I bring scripture you play gymnastics :(

A: It is not just my belief but that of many others and you are unable to provide an different view. The little you have provided doesn't support the bible so keep trying

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#522 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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So who was the devil and why was he called Satan/the serpent/the accuser? The same Satan/accuser as the one in Job?

A: Look up strong concordance and learn what the word satan and adversary means and then get back to me. Also look up the word devil. I have looked all of the up and can tell you they are not one and the same. The serpent was told by God that he would crawl on his belly for the rest of his days and yet in Job Satan is walking around. Did God change his mind after he punished him?

The accuser of our brothers and sisters who accuses them before God Almighty day and night is not the Satan in Job who was accusing of Job before God Almighty?

A: The accussers were the pagans who did not believe in God


How was this Satan thrown out of heaven where he had a war with Michael? Who was Satan? Who were his angels? What does it mean that he was hurled to earth? Too many holes in your interpretation

A: He wasn't thrown out of the real heaven because he was never there

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#523 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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God Almighty sees all things. I cannot do something and Him not see and take note. I dont see where you would get the idea that He doesnt see people committing wicked acts.
You didnt claim that they werent but you implied. You said God doesnt see sin and posted scripture to support your point. I then posted scripture that show He DOES see it and that your interpretation of the scripture is incorrect. You then compete in your gymnastics and tell me that its allegorical AFTER you just posted scripture as proof that God Almighty DOES NOT see evil. Like I said theres nothing I can do about that. Its like me saying Adam didnt exist and you show me Genesis 3 where Adam is clearly stated, and I flip it to say "Well the word in Hebrew is mankind so can you show me where ADAM existed?" You wouldnt be able to because I flipped scripture around. And even if you found another scripture, I could privately interpret it and flip it to mean whatever I wanted. No one can be taught or corrected like that. So its a waste of time. I entertained it for awhile but I see that its actually going nowhere. You will continue to compete in gymnastics with scripture that contradicts whatever point you made.
I didn't imply anything or twist anything I posted what the scripture stated.

Habakkuk 1:13 says that God is too pure to LOOK on evil. The sinners are not in His presence.

If you think that God needs two eyes to know what is going on you are crazy. He is not limited by human senses
IamHim

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#524 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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A: Nowhere is sight mentioned. It mentions search, perceive, knowledge etc etc
11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," 12 even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: I have proven that your interpretation is wrong but you just can't accept it. The events that you are referring to have nothing to do with what John saw they were related to future events
Nope.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: We all do that and if it supports my claim and it can be shown biblically to support what I state then no problem
Not we. YOU. And just cuz you have a website that believes as you do doesnt make you right. Same with me
Sheilaa wrote:
A: Yes and it obviously left a big impression on you because that is what you do. You have proven nothing to disprove my claims
When you cant back up your claims with scripture you are disproven lol.
Sheilaa wrote:
A:The sons of God were men and yes they were multiplying just like God told them to. Cain was the first murderer and he was sent away by God
Let me repeat since you didnt do anything that I asked.

Things you didnt do:

1. Show where the sons of Seth are mentioned (in Genesis) and why they are the sons of God in Genesis 6 even though verse 1 of Genesis 6 tells us that MEN were multiplying on the earth and that daughters were born to these MEN.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: The word just means adversary nowhere is it indicated to be a spiritual being
Let me repeat again. Can you show me how it is a man using the chapter? Not just saying something
Sheilaa wrote:
A: There was no Satan in heaven I have already shown that
How have you shown that?

Especially when Revelation says Satan was thrown out of heaven?
Sheilaa wrote:
A: It is not just my belief but that of many others and you are unable to provide an different view. The little you have provided doesn't support the bible so keep trying
Who was Jesus speaking of here?

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Who are the pharisees speaking of here?

Matthew 9
33 And when the demon was driven out, the man who had been mute spoke. The crowd was amazed and said,“Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”
34 But the Pharisees said,“It is by the prince of demons that he drives out demons.”

Matthew 12
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said,“It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

What are demons and who is this satan that Jesus saw fall from heaven?

Luke 10
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said,“Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”18 He replied,“I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Why is the devil singular yet EVERYONE'S enemy that is a believer according to Peter?

1 Peter 5
8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

What did Paul mean by this?
2 Corinthians 11
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

What did Jesus mean by this?

Revelation 3
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

I have more after this ;)
IamHim

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#525 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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A: Look up strong concordance and learn what the word satan and adversary means and then get back to me. Also look up the word devil. I have looked all of the up and can tell you they are not one and the same. The serpent was told by God that he would crawl on his belly for the rest of his days and yet in Job Satan is walking around. Did God change his mind after he punished him?
The accuser of our brothers and sisters who accuses them before God Almighty day and night is not the Satan in Job who was accusing of Job before God Almighty?
Lol Just stop. Earlier in this thread you were asking for help and didnt even know that you should look up the original language to understand things in the bible lol.

Why dont you answer my question. Who is Satan in your fantasy interpretation? Who accuses our brothers and sister day and night before God Almighty?

I already explained that the Serpent was a vessel.
Sheilaa wrote:
A: The accussers were the pagans who did not believe in God
How can they accuse before God Almighty if they do not believe in God Almighty? The accuser = satan in Revelation 12, so were the pagans Satan? If so, what does it mean they were thrown out of heaven? What does it mean that they fought in heaven against Michael an angel? What does it mean that Satan (the pagans) and his angels were thrown out of heaven?
Sheilaa wrote:
How was this Satan thrown out of heaven where he had a war with Michael? Who was Satan? Who were his angels? What does it mean that he was hurled to earth? Too many holes in your interpretation
A: He wasn't thrown out of the real heaven because he was never there
Im saying in your interpretation. How were the pagans thrown out of heaven after warring with Michael? Who were the angels of the pagans (Satan)? What does it mean that the pagans (Satan) and his angels were thrown to earth?
IamHim

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#526 Feb 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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I didn't imply anything or twist anything I posted what the scripture stated.
Habakkuk 1:13 says that God is too pure to LOOK on evil. The sinners are not in His presence.
If you think that God needs two eyes to know what is going on you are crazy. He is not limited by human senses
I didnt say God Almighty needed anything. I posted scripture just as you did. The scripture I posted said this:

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

So surely you agree that God Almighty sees both the evil and good right?

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#527 Feb 21, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," 12 even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
<quoted text>
Nope.
<quoted text>
Not we. YOU. And just cuz you have a website that believes as you do doesnt make you right. Same with me
<quoted text>
When you cant back up your claims with scripture you are disproven lol.
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Let me repeat since you didnt do anything that I asked.
Things you didnt do:
1. Show where the sons of Seth are mentioned (in Genesis) and why they are the sons of God in Genesis 6 even though verse 1 of Genesis 6 tells us that MEN were multiplying on the earth and that daughters were born to these MEN.
<quoted text>
Let me repeat again. Can you show me how it is a man using the chapter? Not just saying something
<quoted text>
How have you shown that?
Especially when Revelation says Satan was thrown out of heaven?
<quoted text>
Who was Jesus speaking of here?
John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Who are the pharisees speaking of here?
Matthew 9
33 And when the demon was driven out, the man who had been mute spoke. The crowd was amazed and said,“Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”
34 But the Pharisees said,“It is by the prince of demons that he drives out demons.”
Matthew 12
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said,“It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
What are demons and who is this satan that Jesus saw fall from heaven?
Luke 10
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said,“Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”18 He replied,“I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Why is the devil singular yet EVERYONE'S enemy that is a believer according to Peter?
1 Peter 5
8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
What did Paul mean by this?
2 Corinthians 11
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
What did Jesus mean by this?
Revelation 3
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
I have more after this ;)
You will need to wait until tomorrow for my response because I don't have anymore time to spend on this thread. My husband is waiting for his dinner and I have a life outside of here. LOL
IamHim

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#528 Feb 22, 2013
Still waiting Ms sheilla ;)

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