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#265 Feb 18, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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The sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job 1 WITHOUT A DOUBT represent angels. Thats what the context tells you. But you keep trying to judge the context by the NT which makes little sense
That's what happens when one does not take into account that those authors of that scripture drew heavily from mythology in their writings.

Here is an sampling of the Catholic Legate taking on Genesis 6:

As for St. Peter's comments, which, once again, play off the popular beliefs of Hellenized Jews (in order to make a point), it was Greek-speaking peoples (Hellenized Jews) who equated these "sons of Heaven" with the Titans-the beings who ruled the earth prior to the pagan GREEK version of the Flood story (the myth of Decurion and his boat/ark). Thus, even in taking a more literal approach in regard to these "sons of Heaven" (an approach which Rome, in her more practical, Latin understanding, later condemned... by making it clear that angelic beings, esp. fallen ones, cannot father children) the early Greek-speaking Christians are still SCREAMING the fact that Genesis 6 is an element of mythology because these Greek-speaking Christians equate these "sons of Heaven" with the mythological Titans.



Their offspring were "giants" who attempted to enslave mankind.



Again, that's incorrect. In Greek mythology, the Titans themselves were the giants. And, again, the Titans did not mate with mortals; rather, it was the gods, their successors, who used to do that a lot.



Clearly St.Peter is making a connection between the Greek myth and the Genesis account.
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Sc...
Frank

Clinton, NC

#266 Feb 18, 2013
messianic114 wrote:
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You seem to be fixated on G-d killing himself. Where is the evidence for this?
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You guys believe that Yeshuah is G-d.

You believe that Yeshuah "died for our sins"

Therefore you believe that G-d killed himself for the sins of what He created.

There ya go. Sure I'm fixated on it--its absurd.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#267 Feb 18, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>That's what happens when one does not take into account that those authors of that scripture drew heavily from mythology in their writings.
Here is an sampling of the Catholic Legate taking on Genesis 6:
As for St. Peter's comments, which, once again, play off the popular beliefs of Hellenized Jews (in order to make a point), it was Greek-speaking peoples (Hellenized Jews) who equated these "sons of Heaven" with the Titans-the beings who ruled the earth prior to the pagan GREEK version of the Flood story (the myth of Decurion and his boat/ark). Thus, even in taking a more literal approach in regard to these "sons of Heaven" (an approach which Rome, in her more practical, Latin understanding, later condemned... by making it clear that angelic beings, esp. fallen ones, cannot father children) the early Greek-speaking Christians are still SCREAMING the fact that Genesis 6 is an element of mythology because these Greek-speaking Christians equate these "sons of Heaven" with the mythological Titans.
Their offspring were "giants" who attempted to enslave mankind.
Again, that's incorrect. In Greek mythology, the Titans themselves were the giants. And, again, the Titans did not mate with mortals; rather, it was the gods, their successors, who used to do that a lot.
Clearly St.Peter is making a connection between the Greek myth and the Genesis account.
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Sc...
Jesus and the apostles, like all Jews of their time, read from the Septuagint version of Hebrew Scripture, since the current Masoretic text wasn't written until the third century AD. The Book of Enoch was included in many copies of The Septuagint.
It's more than likely that first century Christians and Jews were very familiar with Enoch's writings.

Although the Book of Enoch didn't make the cut of canon for The Bible, there are more than enough references to it in The New Testament to indicate a familiarity amongst the evangelist authors.
And they borrowed from it for New Testament scripture.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#268 Feb 18, 2013

There are no references to the book of Enoch in the Bible anywhere. There are references to Enoch the prophet, who lived pre-flood, but he did not write the so-called book of Enoch.

The book of Enoch was correctly rejected as one of many uninspired books.

socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#269 Feb 18, 2013
Frank wrote:
You guys believe that Yeshuah is G-d.
You believe that Yeshuah "died for our sins"
Therefore you believe that G-d killed himself for the sins of what He created.
There ya go. Sure I'm fixated on it--its absurd.

Yet he lives. There is no killing God. He knew he would rise again in three days.

Once again, the death upon the cross was to prove there is a God who will judge the world -- his followers are forgiven of sin.

While death is viewed as a negative thing it's not near as bad as losing all eternity. These few years on earth mean nothing by comparison. Whether we die tomorrow or twenty years from now, the only thing that matters is our eternal destination. The carnal worldly sometimes atheist places all importance on the moment with no thought of the future.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#270 Feb 18, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
That's what happens when one does not take into account that those authors of that scripture drew heavily from mythology in their writings.
Here is an sampling of the Catholic Legate taking on Genesis 6:
As for St. Peter's comments, which, once again, play off the popular beliefs of Hellenized Jews (in order to make a point), it was Greek-speaking peoples (Hellenized Jews) who equated these "sons of Heaven" with the Titans-the beings who ruled the earth prior to the pagan GREEK version of the Flood story (the myth of Decurion and his boat/ark). Thus, even in taking a more literal approach in regard to these "sons of Heaven" (an approach which Rome, in her more practical, Latin understanding, later condemned... by making it clear that angelic beings, esp. fallen ones, cannot father children) the early Greek-speaking Christians are still SCREAMING the fact that Genesis 6 is an element of mythology because these Greek-speaking Christians equate these "sons of Heaven" with the mythological Titans.
Their offspring were "giants" who attempted to enslave mankind.
Again, that's incorrect. In Greek mythology, the Titans themselves were the giants. And, again, the Titans did not mate with mortals; rather, it was the gods, their successors, who used to do that a lot.
Clearly St.Peter is making a connection between the Greek myth and the Genesis account.
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Sc...

Mark Bono & fellow Catholic are poor teachers.

For starters, the verse they began with: "For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment;" (2 Peter 2:4) has nothing to do with Gen 6 as they imply. Although we can agree angelic beings dont reproduce.

Then they imply that whoever wrote Genesis (they dont know) borrowed from Greek mythology. Understand this Greek mythology is similar to Kabala, that turns Bible truth into mythology. Noah was real. His g-grandson founded Babylon. His name has been found there in archaeology sites backed onto bricks as ruler of the kingdom, Nimrod.

more on that here..

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_arc...

and here..

http://davelivingston.com/nimrod.htm

One thing the Greeks, Sumerians, Babylonians and the Bible all agree about is there was a flood, unlike Mark Bono. He seems to be out of the loop and in denial of history.

The belief that Moses may have written Genesis is his first mistake as it seems Genesis unlike the other four books of the Torah was handed down and only compiled by Moses. Genesis looks like it was written by firsthand witnesses that included Noah and Adam.

• GENESIS: Oldest Text on the Planet

http://www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp
http://www.dtl.org/bible/ng-post/gilgamesh.ht...
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/Toledoth.ht...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiseman_hypothes...
(video)
http://archive.org/details/WhoWroteTheBookOfG...


Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#271 Feb 18, 2013
socci wrote:
There are no references to the book of Enoch in the Bible anywhere. There are references to Enoch the prophet, who lived pre-flood, but he did not write the so-called book of Enoch.
The book of Enoch was correctly rejected as one of many uninspired books.
Oh come now, don't you read ALL The Bible?
How about the Letter of Jude?

Verse 6 draws on Gn 6:1–4 as elaborated in the apocryphal Book of Enoch (Jude 14): heavenly beings came to earth and had sexual intercourse with women. God punished them by casting them out of heaven into darkness and bondage."

Verses 14–15 are cited from the apocryphal Book of Enoch 1:9.

Jude quotes two apocryphal Jewish works, the Assumption of Moses (Jude 9) and the Book of Enoch (Jude 14–15) as part of his structured argument.
The Assumption of Moses is contained in The Book of Enoch.

There are many more examples, such as the apocryphal langauge found in Matt.24 and throughout Rev.
Then there is the term 'Son of Man' found so often in Enoch.

Do some research.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#272 Feb 18, 2013
socci wrote:
There are no references to the book of Enoch in the Bible anywhere. There are references to Enoch the prophet, who lived pre-flood, but he did not write the so-called book of Enoch.
The book of Enoch was correctly rejected as one of many uninspired books.
By the way, can you tell me the name of the 'eye-witness' that wrote the book of Genesis?
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#273 Feb 18, 2013
socci wrote:
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Mark Bono & fellow Catholic are poor teachers.
For starters, the verse they began with: "For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment;" (2 Peter 2:4) has nothing to do with Gen 6 as they imply. Although we can agree angelic beings dont reproduce.
Then they imply that whoever wrote Genesis (they dont know) borrowed from Greek mythology.......
There is so much similarity between Jude and 2 Peter, especially Jude 4–16 and 2 Pt 2:1–18, that there must be a literary relationship between them.
Since there is no evidence for the view that both authors borrowed from the same source, it is usually supposed that one of them borrowed from the other. Most scholars believe that Jude is the earlier of the two, principally because he quotes the two apocryphal Jewish works.

The so-called Epistle of Barnabas twice cites Enoch as Scripture. Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, and even St. Augustine suppose the work to be a genuine one of the patriarch.
But in the fourth century the Henoch writings lost credit and ceased to be quoted.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#274 Feb 18, 2013
socci wrote:
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Mark Bono & fellow Catholic are poor teachers.
Maybe you're just a lousy student.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#275 Feb 18, 2013
The book of Jude is but one chapter. It's an easy read. The verse in question:

1:14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints,"

is a reference to Enoch, not the book of Enoch.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#276 Feb 18, 2013
socci wrote:
The book of Jude is but one chapter.
It's an easy read.
The verse in question:1:14

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints,"
is a reference to Enoch, not the book of Enoch.
And where did that quote come from, student Dunce?

Genesis?

It is cited from the apocryphal Book of Enoch 1:9.

Learn the lesson from your educated Catholic teacher.

Next time you slack-off in your lessons, I'm handing you over to our nuns, The Sisters of Perpetual Punishment.
Patriot

Louisville, CO

#277 Feb 18, 2013
I have to agree with this author when it comes to the nation of Israel and GOD'S Covenants:

Does the Nation of Israel Have an End Time Role?

http://www.wake-up.org/daystar/ds2007/Oct.htm
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#279 Feb 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
And where did that quote come from, student Dunce?
Genesis?
It is cited from the apocryphal Book of Enoch 1:9.
Learn the lesson from your educated Catholic teacher.
Next time you slack-off in your lessons, I'm handing you over to our nuns, The Sisters of Perpetual Punishment.

No, Jude was not quoting a non-inspired book which was not written by Enoch who lived before the Flood. She was given this by inspiration like the rest of the chapter. However, the uninspired book of Enoch does not agree with the rest of the Bible. You can research reasons why the so-called "book of Enoch" is not inspired.

You are just reacting to comments about Mark Bono and Catholics trying to teach Gen 6. But understand Mark Bono says Gen is MYTH -- this means he is not a Christian and not to be teaching the Bible which he does not even believe. You are not a Christian if you believe the Word of God is just myth.

What is myth are his beliefs in evolution & 'caveman'. Did you know the Jesuits are the main advocate of these pagan beliefs? The father of the big bang was a Jesuit!
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#280 Feb 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
There is so much similarity between Jude and 2 Peter, especially Jude 4–16 and 2 Pt 2:1–18, that there must be a literary relationship between them.

Yes there is similarity. The passage about the fallen angels cast down to earth is also found in Revelation and many other parts of the inspired books. While the Apocryphal books make all sorts of extra-biblical assertions that otherwise adds to the word. They were not even part of the original canon of the RC, only added later.

The Book of Enoch only had parts written BC while other parts were added later. It has several different writing styles from as late as the 3rd century. This doesnt mean the book does not have the well known teaching about fallen angels. We know it does mention the Hebrew Nephilim. But then makes all sorts of extra-biblical claims about the angels not otherwise found. It is trash for the fire.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#281 Feb 18, 2013
Frank

Clinton, NC

#282 Feb 19, 2013
socci wrote:
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Yet he lives. There is no killing God. He knew he would rise again in three days.
Once again, the death upon the cross was to prove there is a God who will judge the world -- his followers are forgiven of sin.
While death is viewed as a negative thing it's not near as bad as losing all eternity. These few years on earth mean nothing by comparison. Whether we die tomorrow or twenty years from now, the only thing that matters is our eternal destination. The carnal worldly sometimes atheist places all importance on the moment with no thought of the future.
So then, G-d---whom created he universe and the laws that govern it---decided to kill himself for our sins, and even called out to himself " My Lord, why have you forsaken me?" while on hanging on the cross?

I cant understand why it is that you guys are unable to see how stupid your position is.

And where did this concept of eternal hell-fire come from? It wasn't in the earliest scrptures. It seems like G-d being 3 instead of 1 and the existence of an eternal hell-fire would have been important enough for Him to mention to the Hebrews in the Torah, ya know?

You guys are idolaters, there's no other way to put it. You're no better than the christianized-pagan catholic church, you might as well join them---at least Pope Rat and company are openly pagan/polytheists/idolaters and don't pretend that they are something else, lol.
Frank

Clinton, NC

#283 Feb 19, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
Can Jews Be Saved?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =uwvn5fn1x5QXX
JeWISH people (present day Talmud following euro-russia-khazars in Israel and elsewhere) are the synagogue of satan, however ALL authentic Hebrews will be saved...and the idolatrous Yeshuah worshipping devils will be bundled up and burned in the fire with their non-believing brethren!
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#284 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
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JeWISH people (present day Talmud following euro-russia-khazars in Israel and elsewhere) are the synagogue of satan, however ALL authentic Hebrews will be saved...and the idolatrous Yeshuah worshipping devils will be bundled up and burned in the fire with their non-believing brethren!
Too late! Hitler beat your vindictive god to it.

"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man." - Thomas Paine
Frank

Clinton, NC

#285 Feb 19, 2013
Hitler has nothing to do with this.

And men are cruel because nature is, that's life.

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