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Do Jews and Christians worship the same God?

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“Petite twink, barely legal”

Since: Dec 12

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#1 Feb 9, 2013
I know we share Old Testament Scriptures, but Jews don't interpret the Old Testament as Christians do.

Christians worship Jesus of Nazareth AS GOD. The Jews don't. Christians believe in a "Triune" God. Jews do not believe in the Trinity as Christians teach.

It seems to me as a new believer that alot of the Israel-like stuff that appears on "Christian" TV and radio doesn't really go with Christian teaching.

I'm just a newbie Christian but I find this kinda confusing.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#2 Feb 9, 2013
Good gawd NO!

There are 7,432 different gods..

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#3 Feb 9, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
Good gawd NO!
There are 7,432 different gods..
Now, now! There's 7,433..........LOL

How are you?:-)
socci

Lawson, MO

#4 Feb 9, 2013
neither the mormon the catholic the muslim, all have other books

jews - Kabala

mormon - book of mormon

catholic - apocrypha & catechism

muslim - koran

Since: Dec 09

Calgary, Canada

#5 Feb 9, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
I know we share Old Testament Scriptures, but Jews don't interpret the Old Testament as Christians do.
Christians worship Jesus of Nazareth AS GOD. The Jews don't. Christians believe in a "Triune" God. Jews do not believe in the Trinity as Christians teach.
It seems to me as a new believer that alot of the Israel-like stuff that appears on "Christian" TV and radio doesn't really go with Christian teaching.
I'm just a newbie Christian but I find this kinda confusing.
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You would be wise to not get your spiritual input from the TV. Get into a bible believing church and attend bible study. In addition you should study on your own. If you have the Holy Spirit, he will guide you into all truth.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#6 Feb 9, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
I know we share Old Testament Scriptures, but Jews don't interpret the Old Testament as Christians do.
Christians worship Jesus of Nazareth AS GOD. The Jews don't. Christians believe in a "Triune" God. Jews do not believe in the Trinity as Christians teach.
It seems to me as a new believer that alot of the Israel-like stuff that appears on "Christian" TV and radio doesn't really go with Christian teaching.
I'm just a newbie Christian but I find this kinda confusing.
There are three monotheistic religions in the world, Jewish, Christian and Muslim.

All three monotheisms worship the same God, The Great I AM, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah or whatever name flawed "man" assigned to The Almighty Creator.

The BIG difference is how one views the players in the reciprocal relationship between God and mankind.
God's holy Spirit spoke through the prophets, but the last human prophet was John the Baptist.

The Jews await the Messiah, but the bus has already arrived and departed from the stop outside the synagogue.

Muslims heed the prophet Mohammed, but Mo speaks without authority.

However, Jesus Christ was more than a prophet.
Jesus Christ is God come to man as man.
Fully man and fully God, Jesus redeemed our life by defeating death and with it, Satan's hold on mankind.

Don't be satisified with brand X, go for the real thing.
If it's not Jesus Christ, it's not what it takes
There ain't nothing like the real thing baby.
FreeChic

United States

#7 Feb 9, 2013
No. The Judaism does not worship the God of the Bible because they deny the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is made very clear in the Bible.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus is the only way to God.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

This is how you know its the spirit of God and recognize it in the teachings of pastors, teachers, churches, religions, people, ect...

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

And this is how you know the spirit of anti-christ (spirit of error) and how you will be able to tell the difference in the spirit of anti-christ and the spirit of God. If they don't confess that Jesus is come in the flesh as the son of God and died for the sins of the world, they are not of God. This is the spirit of anti-Christ that they carry.

John 17:3

“Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”

1 John 5:12

“He who has the Son (Jesus) has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#8 Feb 9, 2013
FreeChic wrote:
No. The Judaism does not worship the God of the Bible because they deny the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is made very clear in the Bible.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus is the only way to God.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
This is how you know its the spirit of God and recognize it in the teachings of pastors, teachers, churches, religions, people, ect...
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
And this is how you know the spirit of anti-christ (spirit of error) and how you will be able to tell the difference in the spirit of anti-christ and the spirit of God. If they don't confess that Jesus is come in the flesh as the son of God and died for the sins of the world, they are not of God. This is the spirit of anti-Christ that they carry.
John 17:3
“Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
1 John 5:12
“He who has the Son (Jesus) has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Recalling the spiritual bond that ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock, reminds us of the special place Jews hold in the Christian perspective, for now as before God holds them as most dear for the sake of the patriarchs; he has not withdrawn his gifts or calling.

Jews, therefore, are not to be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from Holy Scripture.

The Passion of Jesus, moreover, cannot be attributed without distinction to all Jews then alive, nor can it be attributed to the Jews of today. The Church Jesus Christ built decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time and by anyone.

Our common heritage impels us toward this, our common heritage of service to humanity and its immense spiritual and material needs. Through different but finally convergent ways we will be able to reach, with the help of the Lord who has never ceased loving his people (cf. Rom 11:l), this true brotherhood in reconciliation and respect, and to contribute to a full implementation of God's plan in history.

God does not change, God set a people aside for himself and gave them laws. Jesus Christ did not abolish those laws.
Jesus fulfilled them.

Learn to love your neighbor as yourself and love God above anything else.
The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.
(Matt.22)

“Petite twink, barely legal”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#9 Feb 10, 2013
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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You would be wise to not get your spiritual input from the TV. Get into a bible believing church and attend bible study.
That that part going on already but I'm just a beginner. The reason I asked, really, is because one of the pastors was in the hospital for some kind of surgery. He asked the hospital chaplain - a Jewish Rabbi - to pray with him for the surgery to go well. "After all, we both pray to the same God," the pastor said.

It bothered me alot, and I think he's wrong as can be. Now you and a few others have been very helpful, so thank you!
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#10 Feb 10, 2013
12:26 pm, Sunday, February 10, 2013:
RE: Do Jews and Christians worship the same God?
..... Anyone can invent a belief system, including their description of some God.
..... However all over this planet some people have, and/or have had, religious experiences that indicate something being "out there", which they may call God or any other name. Whatever it is, it is unlikely to be as the "God" described by the organized religions. But it is real! And helps if no other help is available!
..... As I keep repeating, there are very many people who think that they are Christians - but they are NOT! Only those are Christians by definition who follow a Christ's lifestyle and his, and only his, teachings.
Punisher

New York, NY

#11 Feb 10, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
There are three monotheistic religions in the world, Jewish, Christian and Muslim.
All three monotheisms worship the same God, The Great I AM, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah or whatever name flawed "man" assigned to The Almighty Creator.
The BIG difference is how one views the players in the reciprocal relationship between God and mankind.
God's holy Spirit spoke through the prophets, but the last human prophet was John the Baptist.
The Jews await the Messiah, but the bus has already arrived and departed from the stop outside the synagogue.
Muslims heed the prophet Mohammed, but Mo speaks without authority.
However, Jesus Christ was more than a prophet.
Jesus Christ is God come to man as man.
Fully man and fully God, Jesus redeemed our life by defeating death and with it, Satan's hold on mankind.
Don't be satisified with brand X, go for the real thing.
If it's not Jesus Christ, it's not what it takes
There ain't nothing like the real thing baby.
Whew.

Did Jesus suffer as a human, or as a God?
Punisher

New York, NY

#12 Feb 10, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Recalling the spiritual bond that ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock, reminds us of the special place Jews hold in the Christian perspective, for now as before God holds them as most dear for the sake of the patriarchs; he has not withdrawn his gifts or calling.
Jews, therefore, are not to be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from Holy Scripture.
The Passion of Jesus, moreover, cannot be attributed without distinction to all Jews then alive, nor can it be attributed to the Jews of today. The Church Jesus Christ built decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time and by anyone.
Our common heritage impels us toward this, our common heritage of service to humanity and its immense spiritual and material needs. Through different but finally convergent ways we will be able to reach, with the help of the Lord who has never ceased loving his people (cf. Rom 11:l), this true brotherhood in reconciliation and respect, and to contribute to a full implementation of God's plan in history.
God does not change, God set a people aside for himself and gave them laws. Jesus Christ did not abolish those laws.
Jesus fulfilled them.
Learn to love your neighbor as yourself and love God above anything else.
The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.
(Matt.22)
No, the Jews are just to be looked at as second class. Like the red-headed step-children. Worthy of the back of the bus, if at all. They are but pawns now in the Xtian play of Doom.

The condescension of Xtians like you shows what a prejudicial system of Beliefs Xtianity truly has become.
Punisher

New York, NY

#13 Feb 10, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
<quoted text>
That that part going on already but I'm just a beginner. The reason I asked, really, is because one of the pastors was in the hospital for some kind of surgery. He asked the hospital chaplain - a Jewish Rabbi - to pray with him for the surgery to go well. "After all, we both pray to the same God," the pastor said.
It bothered me alot, and I think he's wrong as can be. Now you and a few others have been very helpful, so thank you!
Dont ever think that pastor thought the prayers of the Jew were as equal as the Xtians. He didnt.

The concept of the Trinity can not be truly supported by scripture. Its a specious reading, that is now supported ONLY because the wording has been altered - from the most earliest remaining transcripts - to support the Trinity concept. Nearly 2K years of repetition do not erase the faulty support of the concept.

Jews do not worship the personal God that many Xtians do, who make their God out to be some apparition they have Sunday breakfast with, and talk like friends over the meal. Jesus to them is a friendly, and oft visiting supernatural entity they commune with - and who intervenes for them on mundane/trite matters.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#14 Feb 10, 2013
1:25 pm, Sunday, February 10, 2013:
RE: Do Jews and Christians worship the same God?
..... The earliest Christians were all of them Jews, and their God was the God of the Jews. Those who dislike Jews obviously dislike Jesus too!

“Petite twink, barely legal”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#15 Feb 10, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
The concept of the Trinity can not be truly supported by scripture. Its a specious reading, that is now supported ONLY because the wording has been altered - from the most earliest remaining transcripts - to support the Trinity concept.
The Trinity is one of a couple of ideas that even my pastor says are not EXPLICITLY stated in Scripture, but are nonetheless biblical "by necessary consequence," he said, borrowing from our church's summary of Christian teaching called "the Westminster Confession of Faith." Here is my silly example of what I think "necessary consequence" means:

1 - All normal houses have rooftops.
2 - My house is a normal house.

So even if the paper doesn't expressly say that my house has a roof, it is NECESSARILY true because 1 and 2 above are expressly stated truths. It is this "good and necessary consequence" that validates some major Christian doctrines like the Trinity, the immortality of human souls (NOT explicitly stated in the Bible either), and the historic view of Jesus' second coming.

The only Bible that the first Christians had was the Old Testament! That was the foundation from which the New Testament doctrines came along, based on the idea that the Old Testament was fulfilled by Jesus. So the New Testament INTERPRETS the Old, and the Old Testament illustrates all that Jesus did for His people.

Because the Jews do not interpret the Old Testament with the assumption that Jesus fulfilled it, they can't reach the same conclusions, nor worship Jesus AS THEIR GOD the way Christians do.

So I still think No, we don't worship the same God at all.
socci

Cameron, MO

#16 Feb 10, 2013
QUITTNER wrote:
RE: Do Jews and Christians worship the same God?
..... The earliest Christians were all of them Jews, and their God was the God of the Jews. Those who dislike Jews obviously dislike Jesus too!

Yes the first Christians were Jews but Israel was 'cut off' for disobedience and following the doctrines of men. It's not hate to show what the Bible says whether it is against the Jews or Catholics or Muslims. The promise made to Israel was conditional on their obedience.

There are many many passages on this all..

Exodus 19:5, God said to Israel, "If you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to me above all people: for all the earth is mine." Thus the OT physical Israel of twelve tribes being "a peculiar treasure … above all people" was conditional upon their obedience to God's voice.

Jesus came first to the Jews, to fulfill the sacrificial system. No other is needed to forgive sin any longer. But the Israeli priesthood had a power structure in place thus rejected the fulfillment of foretold prophecy.

Mt 21:43 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered my children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate.

Since: Dec 09

Calgary, Canada

#17 Feb 10, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
<quoted text>
The Trinity is one of a couple of ideas that even my pastor says are not EXPLICITLY stated in Scripture, but are nonetheless biblical "by necessary consequence," he said, borrowing from our church's summary of Christian teaching called "the Westminster Confession of Faith." Here is my silly example of what I think "necessary consequence" means:
1 - All normal houses have rooftops.
2 - My house is a normal house.
So even if the paper doesn't expressly say that my house has a roof, it is NECESSARILY true because 1 and 2 above are expressly stated truths. It is this "good and necessary consequence" that validates some major Christian doctrines like the Trinity, the immortality of human souls (NOT explicitly stated in the Bible either), and the historic view of Jesus' second coming.
The only Bible that the first Christians had was the Old Testament! That was the foundation from which the New Testament doctrines came along, based on the idea that the Old Testament was fulfilled by Jesus. So the New Testament INTERPRETS the Old, and the Old Testament illustrates all that Jesus did for His people.
Because the Jews do not interpret the Old Testament with the assumption that Jesus fulfilled it, they can't reach the same conclusions, nor worship Jesus AS THEIR GOD the way Christians do.
So I still think No, we don't worship the same God at all.
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One thing you will learn as you mature in your faith is that logic doesn't work for everyone and they will always need it to be spelled out for them (as if G-d owes them it).
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What also will become obvious to you is that just as you wouldn't take legal advice from a plumber to take spiritual advice from one who would say no if you asked him, do you hear from G-d would be foolish.
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As to do they worship the same G-d, I would say yes and no. Yes in there is only one G-d, no in that they don't worship in Spirit and in truth. Worshipping G-d will not gain us access to heaven. We must be in Messiah.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#18 Feb 10, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Whew.
Did Jesus suffer as a human, or as a God?
Why ask?
You seem to think you know everything already.

You're a legend in your own mind.

Since: Dec 09

Calgary, Canada

#19 Feb 10, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes the first Christians were Jews but Israel was 'cut off' for disobedience and following the doctrines of men. It's not hate to show what the Bible says whether it is against the Jews or Catholics or Muslims. The promise made to Israel was conditional on their obedience.
There are many many passages on this all..
Exodus 19:5, God said to Israel, "If you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to me above all people: for all the earth is mine." Thus the OT physical Israel of twelve tribes being "a peculiar treasure … above all people" was conditional upon their obedience to God's voice.
Jesus came first to the Jews, to fulfill the sacrificial system. No other is needed to forgive sin any longer. But the Israeli priesthood had a power structure in place thus rejected the fulfillment of foretold prophecy.
Mt 21:43 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered my children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate.
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If you are going to speak for the Bible then you should tell the whole truth, not part.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
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The Jews differ in no wise from anyone else who isn't in Messiah. They are not beyond redemption and the Lord still holds out his hand to them. If you are in Messiah then you are either a natural branch or a wild branch grafted in to the olive tree (Israel).
Patriot

Louisville, CO

#20 Feb 10, 2013
"I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of Your Name -- The Name You gave me -- so that they may be one as We are One." http://bible.cc/john/17-11.htm

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