Christian terrorism
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#21 Dec 6, 2012
noyb5349 wrote:
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There is no penalty for leaving Islam. I've done it and returned to Islam myself. There is currently a campaign by people who are willing to flat out lie against Islam in order to make Islam look bad; their campaign is to misrepresent Islam and make it appear unappealing to non-Muslims. They spread lies like the one you asked about. That is just to warn you.
now who forces, who is the terrorists LOL
no christian would threaten others if they disagree, with murder, even your terrorism
you can destroy my body, but you will never destroy my soul
so go and inform you terrorists friend and tell them, i will never accept your alah, i will worship the true GOD and you will never scare me, even unto death
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#22 Dec 6, 2012
I've got two of these. Do you like it? Two muslims at a petrol station did not. How intolerant.

www.redmolotov.com/m/designzoom/muhammad.html
noyb5349 wrote:
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And here is some incomplete reporting from the same site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan#...
They make it sound like he was still criticizing Judaism, when his criticism was about their evil practices that are contrary to God's Word. He meant "religion" as the way that they are practicing, not as their religion of Judaism.
You cannot accept on face value everything that you read/hear from every source.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#23 Dec 6, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Wrong.
The penalty of leaving islam is death, and it is being enforced today.
Par Five, check this out: www.youtube.com/watch...
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Hi there Thinking, thanks for the link. He certainly goes straight for the jugular. I will check out some of his other videos.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#24 Dec 6, 2012
noyb5349 wrote:
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I didn't make any criticism, Sir. Maybe you have a guilty conscience or something. You are hearing things that were not said.
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LOL. Well I was asking Christians because I wanted to hear thoughts from Christians, but the fact about 9/11 is that the popularly believed version (19 Muslim hi-jackers sent by Al-Qaida) was never proven in a court of law. If you want to point to some Zaccarias Moussoui confession, there is such a thing as false confessions & coerced confessions. Scientists (or archeologists & engineers) are looking at the evidence and concluding that the popular version could not have been possible: http://www.ae911truth.org . They are speculating that it was a FASLE-FLAG operation. If you don't know what a false flag operation is, here is a link to it's definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag . 9/11 could have been a false-flag operation.
Peace.
Yahyaa
Guilty conscience? About what? Your black flag theory is bollocks. The terror element within Islam has shown itself too often for people to believe that BS. They also kill people they say mocked your prophet Mohammed and recently shot a thirteen year old Afghanistan girl in the head because she campaigned for all girls in her country to receive an education. When was the last time a Christian decapitated someone for mocking Jesus, or shot a young girl for wanting an education?
As for you saying that you are not criticising or looking to make trouble, sounds like a touch of the old taqiyya to me!
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#25 Dec 7, 2012
Pat is an Irish ex-catholic living in London.

Check the "feedback" from believers on his website. Hate speech doesn't even come close.

www.patcondell.net/page4/page4.html

Personally, I think he lets Israel off too easily sometimes but he does support a two state solution. It's just that he expects Hamas to sling their hooks first.
par five wrote:
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Hi there Thinking, thanks for the link. He certainly goes straight for the jugular. I will check out some of his other videos.
noyb5349

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Dec 7, 2012
par five wrote:
Guilty conscience? About what?...
You would know the answer to that and not me, if you have something to feel guilty about.
par five wrote:
...Your black flag theory is bollocks. The terror element within Islam has shown itself too often for people to believe that BS...
As far as "the terror element within Islam [having] shown itself too often," I will share this verse from the Qur'an with you...Holy Qur'an 49:6: "O you who believe, if an unrighteous man brings you news, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you did." The Western media has proven itself to be LIARS too often to believe their reporting about "Islamic terrorism." AND IF THE FALSE-FLAG THEORY IS "BOLLOCKS," THEN WHY HAVE 1500 AMERICAN ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS AGREED THAT THE POPULAR VERSION OF 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE (same link as I previously referred you to.)
par five wrote:
...They also kill people they say mocked your prophet Mohammed and recently shot a thirteen year old Afghanistan girl in the head because she campaigned for all girls in her country to receive an education. When was the last time a Christian decapitated someone for mocking Jesus, or shot a young girl for wanting an education?...
Maybe you should reread your Bible...there is the story in the Bible of Solomon having put to the death the man who mocked his father David. Was that also "evil" lol? And don't tell me about religious people misbehaving with the history of the American Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. If you don't know who they are, here are some links to some of their work:

https://www.google.com/search...

http://wonkette.com/427381/missouri-man-displ...
par five wrote:
...As for you saying that you are not criticising or looking to make trouble, sounds like a touch of the old taqiyya to me!
If I wanted to make trouble, I would do it. I suggest that you have a guilty conscience if you feel my objective question was a criticism.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#27 Dec 7, 2012
Is is it wise to criticise the bible in front of Par Five?
noyb5349 wrote:
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You would know the answer to that and not me, if you have something to feel guilty about.
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As far as "the terror element within Islam [having] shown itself too often," I will share this verse from the Qur'an with you...Holy Qur'an 49:6: "O you who believe, if an unrighteous man brings you news, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you did." The Western media has proven itself to be LIARS too often to believe their reporting about "Islamic terrorism." AND IF THE FALSE-FLAG THEORY IS "BOLLOCKS," THEN WHY HAVE 1500 AMERICAN ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS AGREED THAT THE POPULAR VERSION OF 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE (same link as I previously referred you to.)
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Maybe you should reread your Bible...there is the story in the Bible of Solomon having put to the death the man who mocked his father David. Was that also "evil" lol? And don't tell me about religious people misbehaving with the history of the American Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. If you don't know who they are, here are some links to some of their work:
https://www.google.com/search...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VVzJ2RIlUwEXX
http://wonkette.com/427381/missouri-man-displ...
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If I wanted to make trouble, I would do it. I suggest that you have a guilty conscience if you feel my objective question was a criticism.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

help bring others to Christ

#28 Dec 7, 2012
Thinking wrote:
In islam, what is the penalty for apostasy?
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Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 [45] states that "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.[46] Furthermore it is Qur'an 4:89 that is often quoted in Sharia courts as justification for the execution of an Apostate

Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Isla... )

What I have read is those who leave the faith are to be put to death and then they will go the sixth level of hell. Of course, those residing outside an Islamic majority area (IE the United States) are unlikely to ever face this penalty, but those in predominately Islamic countries are in jeopardy. I have not researched this much though.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#29 Dec 7, 2012
Yes. The penalty for leaving islam is, indeed, death.
Seriously__ wrote:
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Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 [45] states that "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.[46] Furthermore it is Qur'an 4:89 that is often quoted in Sharia courts as justification for the execution of an Apostate
Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Isla... )
What I have read is those who leave the faith are to be put to death and then they will go the sixth level of hell. Of course, those residing outside an Islamic majority area (IE the United States) are unlikely to ever face this penalty, but those in predominately Islamic countries are in jeopardy. I have not researched this much though.
noyb5349

Minneapolis, MN

#30 Dec 7, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Is is it wise to criticise the bible in front of Par Five?
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That was not a criticism. I believe in the (Truth of the) Bible. Why would you say that I am "criticizing" the Bible?
noyb5349

Minneapolis, MN

#31 Dec 7, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
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Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 [45] states that "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.[46] Furthermore it is Qur'an 4:89 that is often quoted in Sharia courts as justification for the execution of an Apostate
Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Isla... )
What I have read is those who leave the faith are to be put to death and then they will go the sixth level of hell. Of course, those residing outside an Islamic majority area (IE the United States) are unlikely to ever face this penalty, but those in predominately Islamic countries are in jeopardy. I have not researched this much though.
Well I really wanted to hear thoughts from Christians about this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terror... , but the fact Sir/Ma'am is that someone has added "(Apostate)" to that Scripture when "Apostate" is not part of the text.

This is what the Holy Qur'an says: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Holy Qur'an 2:256 (Yusuf Ali translation)

Here is the true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89: "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (Yusuf Ali translation) The is NO "Apostate" in the text.

I would suggest that you be very careful about who is feeding you your information. There is currently a campaign underway by people in positions of power to MISREPRESENT Islam to people. They will flat out lie to people about Islam.

Now,(scientifically I ask) do you have any thoughts on the link I posted. I am just curious to hear any thoughts from a Christian.
noyb5349

Minneapolis, MN

#32 Dec 7, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Yes. The penalty for leaving islam is, indeed, death.
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That is a lie, Sir.

(Holy Qur'an 2:256, Yusuf Ali translation: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.")
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#33 Dec 7, 2012
Bollocks. Other passages threaten death and it is enforced in the real world. Your koran is full of contradictions.

I'm not a liar, you taqiyya POS.
noyb5349 wrote:
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That is a lie, Sir.
(Holy Qur'an 2:256, Yusuf Ali translation: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.")
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#34 Dec 7, 2012
Just seen a very disturbing report on Channel 4. In Cairo the musmlim brotherhood is paying thugs to assault women. Now the revolution is secured, they are showing their true colours. Horrible.

You're selling sh!t I just don't want or need.
noyb5349 wrote:
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Well I really wanted to hear thoughts from Christians about this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terror... , but the fact Sir/Ma'am is that someone has added "(Apostate)" to that Scripture when "Apostate" is not part of the text.
This is what the Holy Qur'an says: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Holy Qur'an 2:256 (Yusuf Ali translation)
Here is the true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89: "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (Yusuf Ali translation) The is NO "Apostate" in the text.
I would suggest that you be very careful about who is feeding you your information. There is currently a campaign underway by people in positions of power to MISREPRESENT Islam to people. They will flat out lie to people about Islam.
Now,(scientifically I ask) do you have any thoughts on the link I posted. I am just curious to hear any thoughts from a Christian.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

help bring others to Christ

#35 Dec 7, 2012
noyb5349 wrote:
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Well I really wanted to hear thoughts from Christians about this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terror... , but the fact Sir/Ma'am is that someone has added "(Apostate)" to that Scripture when "Apostate" is not part of the text.
This is what the Holy Qur'an says: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Holy Qur'an 2:256 (Yusuf Ali translation)
Here is the true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89: "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (Yusuf Ali translation) The is NO "Apostate" in the text.
I would suggest that you be very careful about who is feeding you your information. There is currently a campaign underway by people in positions of power to MISREPRESENT Islam to people. They will flat out lie to people about Islam.
Now,(scientifically I ask) do you have any thoughts on the link I posted. I am just curious to hear any thoughts from a Christian.
My comment is more in regard to if one leaves the Islamic religion (turn away), according to the Quran that person is to be killed. A person in the Islamic faith is who told me of the going to the sixth level of hell.

Upon further reading of this section it appears if someone tries to convert an Islamic, and that person will not convert to Islamic, then that person should be killed.

What are you taught Qur'an 4:89 means?

I do not typically open links found on topix, but I can tell you there are terrorists in every faith as every faith is comprised of humans with faults.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#36 Dec 7, 2012
noyb5349 wrote:
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Well I really wanted to hear thoughts from Christians about this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terror... , but the fact Sir/Ma'am is that someone has added "(Apostate)" to that Scripture when "Apostate" is not part of the text.
This is what the Holy Qur'an says: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Holy Qur'an 2:256 (Yusuf Ali translation)
Here is the true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89: "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (Yusuf Ali translation) The is NO "Apostate" in the text.
I would suggest that you be very careful about who is feeding you your information. There is currently a campaign underway by people in positions of power to MISREPRESENT Islam to people. They will flat out lie to people about Islam.
Now,(scientifically I ask) do you have any thoughts on the link I posted. I am just curious to hear any thoughts from a Christian.
i've have several arab and palestinian friends who say
if you do not participate, or want to be a christian, DEATH
i go by them, they were born and raised there, now they're living here
they have the freedom to worship as christians
over there is no freedom or free will ever
why don't you go and live over there, and express your free will of worship
go to your islam, and see what attrocities they do to christians, that try to help the women and young females, they murder in the name of YOUR alah, that YOU WORSHIP
noyb5349

Minneapolis, MN

#37 Dec 7, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
<quoted text>
My comment is more in regard to if one leaves the Islamic religion (turn away), according to the Quran that person is to be killed. A person in the Islamic faith is who told me of the going to the sixth level of hell.
Upon further reading of this section it appears if someone tries to convert an Islamic, and that person will not convert to Islamic, then that person should be killed.
What are you taught Qur'an 4:89 means?
I do not typically open links found on topix, but I can tell you there are terrorists in every faith as every faith is comprised of humans with faults.
Another common tactic that these people in their campaign against Islam use besides changing Scriptures is taking Scriptures out of their full context. Here is the full context and true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89 (4:88-90, Yusuf Ali translation:) "(88)Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.(89)They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-(90)Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)."

This is the full context and true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89 and it is, as we see, talking about people who first fight against you.
noyb5349

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Dec 7, 2012
mztza wrote:
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i've have several arab and palestinian friends who say
if you do not participate, or want to be a christian, DEATH
i go by them, they were born and raised there, now they're living here
they have the freedom to worship as christians
over there is no freedom or free will ever
why don't you go and live over there, and express your free will of worship
go to your islam, and see what attrocities they do to christians, that try to help the women and young females, they murder in the name of YOUR alah, that YOU WORSHIP
Your lies only hurt you, d*mb-d*mb.

Not withstanding America's flaws (her unwillingness to give justice to Black people,) my God has made me happy enough living here. In fact, the Holy Qur'an says that the whole earth belongs to Allah. There is no reason for me to migrate.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

help bring others to Christ

#39 Dec 7, 2012
noyb5349 wrote:
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Another common tactic that these people in their campaign against Islam use besides changing Scriptures is taking Scriptures out of their full context. Here is the full context and true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89 (4:88-90, Yusuf Ali translation:) "(88)Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.(89)They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-(90)Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)."
This is the full context and true translation of Holy Qur'an 4:89 and it is, as we see, talking about people who first fight against you.
Thank you for the full context, I do not own a Qu'ran nor have I ever read one.

Peace to you I guess is an appropriate well wish to someone of Islam? Or is it God bless? Or what? Sorry, but I am trying to learn.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#40 Dec 7, 2012
noyb5349 wrote:
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Your lies only hurt you, d*mb-d*mb.
Not withstanding America's flaws (her unwillingness to give justice to Black people,) my God has made me happy enough living here. In fact, the Holy Qur'an says that the whole earth belongs to Allah. There is no reason for me to migrate.
you say it's lies, you said it there are those who don't want to worship alah, be warned LOL
in the islam nation, if their doesn't like the way, their neighbors wives, daughters dress, or walk or talk
they can murder in the name of your alah and get away with it
so your saying the entire world are lying , including the women who were born and raised, that are in fear for themselves and their daughters are also lying
why don't you prove it, go there, see for yourself, come back and say it not true
but take a female member with you, wife, sister, niece, cousin, daughter, do you dare

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