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mztza

Mesa, AZ

#1 Oct 8, 2012
we need to know the differences, cults and GODS WORD. first is when they use certain scriptures, to manipulate it to fit their personal beliefs. when they start adding to the 10 commandants, 2 more. when they start limiting GOD to a planet. when they keep putting statues in their church. when they say that JESUS and satan are brothers. have to pay for a trinket for a prayer. are all of this in GODS word (bible). why add? like GOD is not efficient enough? WHY. do they have to make their own books, to back up their own personal beliefs, not GODS. are they doing it to be in control, maybe to have the power over others. there is only one book that has all the answers, THE HOLY BIBLE. you need advise, about love, about promises, consequences, family, sex. GOD has that all covered and then some. all of us can interpret in different ways, our own stinking thinking or GODS way. what is GODS way or motive. LOVE AND PATIENCE. do we use it to punish, to threaten, to force, to make someone to feel guilt. alot of us human beings do that. thats not GODS way. when one goes on his journey with GOD, what ever one tells you something about scriptures, i always tell them, don't take my word, check it out in GODS word, because if it isn't in the bible, they're lies. ALWAYS CHECK IT OUT! then and only then you'll know the truth.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#2 Oct 8, 2012
Jesus and Satan have the same father.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#3 Oct 8, 2012
mztza wrote:
we need to know the differences, cults and GODS WORD. first is when they use certain scriptures, to manipulate it to fit their personal beliefs. when they start adding to the 10 commandants, 2 more. when they start limiting GOD to a planet. when they keep putting statues in their church. when they say that JESUS and satan are brothers. have to pay for a trinket for a prayer. are all of this in GODS word (bible).

why add? like GOD is not efficient enough?

WHY. do they have to make their own books, to back up their own personal beliefs, not GODS. are they doing it to be in control, maybe to have the power over others. there is only one book that has all the answers, THE HOLY BIBLE. you need advise, about love, about promises, consequences, family, sex. GOD has that all covered and then some. all of us can interpret in different ways, our own stinking thinking or GODS way. what is GODS way or motive. LOVE AND PATIENCE. do we use it to punish, to threaten, to force, to make someone to feel guilt. alot of us human beings do that. thats not GODS way. when one goes on his journey with GOD, what ever one tells you something about scriptures, i always tell them, don't take my word, check it out in GODS word, because if it isn't in the bible, they're lies. ALWAYS CHECK IT OUT! then and only then you'll know the truth.
That would be sufficient, not efficient...as by all his screw-ups he's shown himself not to be very efficient at all.

Your alleged God didnt not write the Bible, nor did he ever mention it, or commission it. Its a man-made book, written and compiled by men, who also invented the stories within...
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#4 Oct 8, 2012
Plus cults and Gods Words are not the same, so by that alone they are different, and we need go no further...

Do you have any sense of how to present an argument?
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#5 Oct 9, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
Jesus and Satan have the same father.
he is our father, but GOD said that jesus is his only begotten son, he created satan, a beautiful angel, who had free will, he decided to turn evil.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#6 Oct 9, 2012
mztza wrote:
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he is our father, but GOD said that jesus is his only begotten son, he created satan, a beautiful angel, who had free will, he decided to turn evil.
Ah yes, the old and tiresome "begotten" vs. "made" argument. A delineation that only seems to truly work with the simple-minded.

BTW, was Jesus gestated in Mary's womb, or was he implanted as a fully formed fetus?
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#7 Oct 9, 2012
mztza wrote:
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he is our father, but GOD said that jesus is his only begotten son, he created satan, a beautiful angel, who had free will, he decided to turn evil.
Where in the Bible does God say this begotten stuff? Outside of KJV words re; his alleged resurrection.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#8 Oct 9, 2012
Punisher wrote:
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Where in the Bible does God say this begotten stuff? Outside of KJV words re; his alleged resurrection.
john 3:16 look it up. different bibles will translate, begotten, beget, or his one and only son. don't you have a concordance of the bible. it would be faster to find scriptures. you should look it up for yourself. like i keep saying don't take my word, check it out for yourself. i believe that you do believe in GOD and your searching for a question you don't know. been there, done that. my answer for me was, mathew 12:31. i hope you'll find your answer or answers. i wish you all the best.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#9 Oct 14, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>That would be sufficient, not efficient...as by all his screw-ups he's shown himself not to be very efficient at all.
Your alleged God didnt not write the Bible, nor did he ever mention it, or commission it. Its a man-made book, written and compiled by men, who also invented the stories within...
the bible is GOD inspired. do you feel that man is more wiser, more wisdom. then GOD. or are you just looking to argue about something. it looks like everyone, is angry or hate GOD, why. where does everybody think that GOD has failed you. is it because the bargaining with GOD, fell thru, didn't go the way we wanted, the promotion we didn't get, didn't win in gambling, spared a love one from dieing, GOD didn't get revenge for you, you want GOD to punish somebody for you. thats what i see on this forum, it is very sad. why does it have to be, this way. the one thing i wish for this forum is some honesty, for once.us

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#10 Oct 14, 2012
mztza wrote:
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he is our father, but GOD said that jesus is his only begotten son, he created satan, a beautiful angel, who had free will, he decided to turn evil.
No, my father died in 01.. he's pretty much rotted by now!
Sola Scriptura

United States

#13 Oct 14, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>That would be sufficient, not efficient...as by all his screw-ups he's shown himself not to be very efficient at all.
Your alleged God didnt not write the Bible, nor did he ever mention it, or commission it. Its a man-made book, written and compiled by men, who also invented the stories within...
You keep spewing this same, opinionated lie but you have YET to prove it. If anything, what you say is speculation and hearsay only because YOU wasn't there to know for sure.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#14 Oct 14, 2012
-Zephyr- wrote:
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When I read your posts I get the image of someone foaming at the mouth and shaking your fist a lot as you rant on.
When I read yours I get the image of straight jackets and padded rooms. Speaking of, isn't it time for you to return to your cell?

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#15 Oct 14, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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You keep spewing this same, opinionated lie but you have YET to prove it. If anything, what you say is speculation and hearsay only because YOU wasn't there to know for sure.
And the cult YOU follow/worship is just that a CULT!

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#16 Oct 15, 2012
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>And the cult YOU follow/worship is just that a CULT!
Aren't all religions cults?
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#17 Oct 15, 2012
mztza wrote:
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he is our father, but GOD said that jesus is his only begotten son, he created satan, a beautiful angel, who had free will, he decided to turn evil.
If what you say is true then either your “God” is not omniscient and didn’t know that Satan would use his “free will” to become evil or your “God” knew it would happen and either didn’t care that Satan would turn evil or actually wanted him to. Which was it?

"The idea of God, as meaning an infinitely intelligent, wise and good Being, arises from reflecting on the operations of our own mind, and augmenting, without limit, those qualities of goodness and wisdom.- David Hume, 1737, Scottish philosopher, historian, economist, and essayist
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#20 Oct 15, 2012
mztza wrote:
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john 3:16 look it up. different bibles will translate, begotten, beget, or his one and only son. don't you have a concordance of the bible. it would be faster to find scriptures. you should look it up for yourself. like i keep saying don't take my word, check it out for yourself. i believe that you do believe in GOD and your searching for a question you don't know. been there, done that. my answer for me was, mathew 12:31. i hope you'll find your answer or answers. i wish you all the best.
I want to reply to you...but I cant understand you. You simply have lousy language skills.

You can concordance yourself till the cows come home. Those are all only a means to support an interpretation/s. They rely on the translated text, in languages that embellished and added to the older, more original texts. But now they are accepted like they were the original words. Like the Bible was originally written in English.

I dont believe in any God/s, most especially since the only ones telling me about them are MEN.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#21 Oct 15, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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If what you say is true then either your &#8220;God&#8221; is not omniscient and didn&#8217;t know that Satan would use his &#8220;free will&#8221; to become evil or your &#8220;God&#8221; knew it would happen and either didn&#8217;t care that Satan would turn evil or actually wanted him to. Which was it?
"The idea of God, as meaning an infinitely intelligent, wise and good Being, arises from reflecting on the operations of our own mind, and augmenting, without limit, those qualities of goodness and wisdom.- David Hume, 1737, Scottish philosopher, historian, economist, and essayist
GOD knows what we do or don't do. adam and eve where perfect, satan was the most beautiful angel, GOD gave to you to me as well as satan. FREE WILL. not to force us to believe in him (GOD). would anyone like a dictatorship. no free will. GOD knows everything past, present, even future. we don't. but when it's our time, we will know 100%, will there be time for us or to late for others. it depends on the choices we make with free will.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#22 Oct 15, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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You keep spewing this same, opinionated lie but you have YET to prove it. If anything, what you say is speculation and hearsay only because YOU wasn't there to know for sure.
Whats to prove? We KNOW men wrote the Bible. Case closed, all the rest, all the claims about it are lies of men.
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#23 Oct 15, 2012
mztza wrote:
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GOD knows what we do or don't do. adam and eve where perfect, satan was the most beautiful angel, GOD gave to you to me as well as satan. FREE WILL. not to force us to believe in him (GOD). would anyone like a dictatorship. no free will. GOD knows everything past, present, even future. we don't. but when it's our time, we will know 100%, will there be time for us or to late for others. it depends on the choices we make with free will.
So then you believe that your “God” knew that Satan was going to exercise his “free will” to become evil. Then the question still remains did your “God” simply not care that Satan was going to become evil or was that a part of “His” plan.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#24 Oct 16, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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So then you believe that your &#8220;God&#8221; knew that Satan was going to exercise his &#8220;free will&#8221; to become evil. Then the question still remains did your &#8220;God&#8221; simply not care that Satan was going to become evil or was that a part of &#8220;His&#8221; plan.
our LORD gave free will to everyone, including you. no our LORD is never happy when we use our free will (to do bad) like satan did. alot of us (like me years ago) used our free will (choices)selfishly. would you rather have a dictator in GOD. his word is out there. he gave us that freedom to choose. not by force. freely (free will). GOD created everything for us, all he wanted for us to acknowledge that. why is it so easy to say thankyou to people who open the door for us, or when we drop something, someone helps us pick it up, we say thankyou. GOD created the food, air, water, the sun and moon. man just harvest the plants and fruits, that GOD provided. what scientist has created something out of nothing. scientists use the materials GOD PROVIDED. and we can't say thankyou to GOD.

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