Was Jesus or Santa white?

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Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#1 Dec 14, 2013
Ah, Faux News...always entertaining...

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/13/call...

Best response is from Jon Stewart -

Comedian Jon Stewart accused Kelly of "going full Christmas nog."

“And who are you actually talking to?" Stewart said on "The Daily Show." "Children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10 o’clock at night, yet innocent enough to still believe Santa Claus is real — yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn’t white?"

Since: May 09

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#2 Dec 14, 2013
I liked this response from the link: "Calm down, folks. Imaginary people can be whatever color you'd like."

There's enough in that one sentence to write a whole essay about. Personally I think the main reason that Islam has difficulty finding significance in predominantly caucasian societies is because Mohammed wasn't white enough.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#3 Dec 14, 2013
WTF cares? Idiots abound...

Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

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#4 Dec 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
WTF cares? Idiots abound...
No, just inquisitive people who value education.
NDanger wrote:
Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”
To those who can't accept supernatural explanations, naturalistic explanations of religion are the only alternative. Religion is easily understood through geography and psychology. White people like white gods, arabs like arabian gods. Sociology and psychology 101 in practice.

The basic message of the OT is my tribe + any actions of my tribe = good, opposing tribe and any actions of evil tribe = bad. Whichever tribe wins the battle gets to claim their god as superior and the cause of their victory.

As a bible literalist, have you ever felt the need to read the OT objectively? Don't answer, I already know. If you did, you'd find it hard to justify plenty.

It's the same sort of behaviour as someone who fervently supports a sports team. As a supporter of a football team that has been accused of using illegal supplements this past year, I've seen a whole load of ridiculous justifications I never thought I'd see outside of religion. I guess I was wrong there.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#5 Dec 14, 2013
Flying_Spaghetti_Monster wrote:
<quoted text>No, just inquisitive people who value education.
<quoted text>To those who can't accept supernatural explanations, naturalistic explanations of religion are the only alternative. Religion is easily understood through geography and psychology. White people like white gods, arabs like arabian gods. Sociology and psychology 101 in practice.

1. The basic message of the OT is my tribe + any actions of my tribe = good, opposing tribe and any actions of evil tribe = bad. Whichever tribe wins the battle gets to claim their god as superior and the cause of their victory.

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As a bible literalist, have you ever felt the need to read the OT objectively? Don't answer, I already know. If you did, you'd find it hard to justify plenty.

It's the same sort of behaviour as someone who fervently supports a sports team. As a supporter of a football team that has been accused of using illegal supplements this past year, I've seen a whole load of ridiculous justifications I never thought I'd see outside of religion. I guess I was wrong there.
1. good point, and use of terms. The OT Jews had no care or concerns about non-Jews as to their standings with their (Jewish) God or the pagans with theirs. Judaism was all about the tribe, all about separation and division. Its why Jesus said, "give unto Caesar". Fulfill your social/secular obligations and then remember you are a Jew beholden to a Jewish God for all else.

This is something modern Xtians, hell thru history especially in the West never grasped. Jesus was not there to correct Gentile behaviors, but Jewish ones! That it all bled over to the gentile world is truly a historical accident. That the Xtian Church became all about correcting everyones behaviors is one we can link to its becoming 1. legalized by an Imperial decree, 2. becoming the State religion of a failing empire where the Church was better organized and quickly becoming full of wealth and power in a short amount of time.

We can only imagine what Western history would have looked like if the Xtian Religion once legalized had remained "close to the bone" and strictly adhered to the basics of Jesus' tenets and lessons...and not fattened itself on the largesse of the Empire and its own Organizational machinations of grabbing wealth and power and persecution and revenge on non-Xtians or apostates and heretics within.....what a world we might live in if the focus had been on charity and compassion for the down-trodden, sick and elderly and children's welfare, for ones personal spiritual growth and not what we have...a Religion that pointed and still points all fingers at all others who refuse to behave as "they" - organizationally and individually - deem the only and correct way!

What a world that might be...where Xtianity was a Religion of true humility and spiritual growth. What a world Dorothy, what a world...
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#6 Dec 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
WTF cares? Idiots abound...
Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”
And when I see what most American Fundy Xtians do to themselves, I don't want them doing that to me! I don't want to be fat, I don't want my teenager pregnant, I don't want to be or want my family to be stupid by default of faith, I don't want them inculcated to a cult of weirdness that lacks discipline, and focuses on death and destruction, and I dont want them taught to believe in Creationism!

Nah, do what you want to yourselves, but leave me the frick out of it!

(And leave your kids out of it too...let them decide if they want to be fat, lazy and stupid - give them a fighting chance at a better life! Stop inculcating them into the narcissistic world of Xtian arrogance and indulgence!) boo-yah!

Since: Jul 13

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#7 Dec 14, 2013
One of Jesus' miracles, not mentioned in the Bible, was being the first white guy in the Middle East around 2,000 years ago.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#8 Dec 14, 2013
The trouble with the whole white guy syndrome is even militant white guys cant agree on who/what is really "white", besides themselves of course...and what is white anyway? I'm not white! My t-shirt is white, but not my skin color!

You'd be hard pressed to find a white guy in middle America who picks a fellow white guy from a group of Middle Easterners! You could toss in some swarthy Italians and Greeks, even some Black Irish and the avg American White guy would call them anything but white!
LGK

Preston, UK

#9 Dec 14, 2013
UndefeatedAtheist wrote:
One of Jesus' miracles, not mentioned in the Bible, was being the first white guy in the Middle East around 2,000 years ago.
And 1400 years before that Moses was the only blonde, blue-eyed white man in Egypt. Whatever colour Jesus was, he could not have been white.

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#10 Dec 14, 2013
LGK wrote:
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And 1400 years before that Moses was the only blonde, blue-eyed white man in Egypt. Whatever colour Jesus was, he could not have been white.
Ughh! Blaspemy! He's white in all the pictures!
LGK

Preston, UK

#11 Dec 14, 2013
UndefeatedAtheist wrote:
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Ughh! Blaspemy! He's white in all the pictures!
Who took the pictures?

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

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#12 Dec 14, 2013
Flying_Spaghetti_Monster wrote:
<quoted text>No, just inquisitive people who value education.
<quoted text>To those who can't accept supernatural explanations, naturalistic explanations of religion are the only alternative. Religion is easily understood through geography and psychology. White people like white gods, arabs like arabian gods. Sociology and psychology 101 in practice.
The basic message of the OT is my tribe + any actions of my tribe = good, opposing tribe and any actions of evil tribe = bad. Whichever tribe wins the battle gets to claim their god as superior and the cause of their victory.
As a bible literalist, have you ever felt the need to read the OT objectively? Don't answer, I already know. If you did, you'd find it hard to justify plenty.
It's the same sort of behaviour as someone who fervently supports a sports team. As a supporter of a football team that has been accused of using illegal supplements this past year, I've seen a whole load of ridiculous justifications I never thought I'd see outside of religion. I guess I was wrong there.
Funny, I guess I don't see 'color' when I think about GOD. Amazing huh?

I actually did a 2.5 yr in depth study on the 'whole' Bible...what's there to 'justify'? It is what it is. Period...

Funny thing is, I am still a Believer...

Are you still a 'football fan'?
LGK

Preston, UK

#13 Dec 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Funny, I guess I don't see 'color' when I think about GOD. Amazing huh?
I actually did a 2.5 yr in depth study on the 'whole' Bible...what's there to 'justify'? It is what it is. Period...
Funny thing is, I am still a Believer...
Are you still a 'football fan'?
Funny thing is people become colour blind only when it looks like Jesus may not have been white.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

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#14 Dec 14, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Funny thing is people become colour blind only when it looks like Jesus may not have been white.
huh?

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

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#15 Dec 14, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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And when I see what most American Fundy Xtians do to themselves, I don't want them doing that to me! I don't want to be fat, I don't want my teenager pregnant, I don't want to be or want my family to be stupid by default of faith, I don't want them inculcated to a cult of weirdness that lacks discipline, and focuses on death and destruction, and I dont want them taught to believe in Creationism!
Nah, do what you want to yourselves, but leave me the frick out of it!
(And leave your kids out of it too...let them decide if they want to be fat, lazy and stupid - give them a fighting chance at a better life! Stop inculcating them into the narcissistic world of Xtian arrogance and indulgence!) boo-yah!
Really? Just Christians? There aren't any 'fat' non-Christians? There aren't any 'pregnant teen' non-Christians? There are a lot of 'stupid' non-Christians tho...booyah!
LGK

Preston, UK

#16 Dec 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Really? Just Christians? There aren't any 'fat' non-Christians? There aren't any 'pregnant teen' non-Christians? There are a lot of 'stupid' non-Christians tho...booyah!
If any Christian thinks he has no vices or bad breath then he ain't really a Christian. We are all fallen whatever god we believe or do not believe in.

I think Santa was white, isn't he Scandavian?
Prophet of God

Buffalo, NY

#17 Dec 14, 2013
UndefeatedAtheist wrote:
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Ughh! Blaspemy! He's white in all the pictures!
From this time forth, every time you
post on this Christian forum on the topix
website. 7 evil spirits shall come upon you
and your family and dwell with you and shall
not depart from you, except by my word.

Thus saith my God.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

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#18 Dec 15, 2013
LGK wrote:
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If any Christian thinks he has no vices or bad breath then he ain't really a Christian. We are all fallen whatever god we believe or do not believe in.
I think Santa was white, isn't he Scandavian?
Scandinavian indeed!
LGK

UK

#19 Dec 15, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Scandinavian indeed!
Explains the reindeer I suppose.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

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#20 Dec 15, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Explains the reindeer I suppose.
One can only wonder...

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