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#85 Oct 7, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
It's a no-win situation.
If I convert to Islam and can boink that fine young thing down the street without fear of eternal reprisal but I can't drink beer.
Life is a real biotch ain't it?

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#86 Oct 7, 2012
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Life is a real biotch ain't it?
There's always a catch.

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#90 Oct 7, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Jesus is
Think of a TRIANGLE. Does it not have 3 points to it? Yet it is ONE triangle?
God is ONE, but has three parts to him. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
We also have 3 parts to us, but we are ONE person. We have a body, mind, and a spirit. You will NEVER figure this out. This is just who God is.
You can be a SON to your parents right? Then you grow up and become a Father to your children and then a Grandfather to their children. YOU STILL are the same person a son to your parents. Just because you became a father does not stop you from being a son to your parents and when your children have children you do NOT stop being their grandfather.
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I can be a son to my father, I can be a father to my children, that being said I can not be my father. Sorry to burst your bubble. God the father can not be Jesus the son, Jesus the son can not be god the father.

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#91 Oct 7, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Jesus is
Yes he can be BOTH and nothing you can do about that. I showed you an illustration. You can be a SON to your parents can you not? and then grow up and be a father to your children. Does your role as a SON stop when you become a Father? or do you continue to be a SON to your parents though you grew up and became a father? YOUR STILL the same person. You just have another role in life that you fulfill which is in being a father now to your children, but you NEVER stop being a SON to your parents. God can be anything he wants HE IS GOD...
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The Trinity as you describe it is not found in the Bible.
It is Catholic doctrine.
Reason

Youngstown, OH

#92 Oct 7, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
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I applaud your more civil approach in this post, but you still seem to lack the big picture to communicate with people of other faiths.
You request he show that the Holy Bible states he is correct that Jesus is merely a prophet. The logical fallacy in this is that you are still only giving credence to the Holy Bible which he feels is an adulterated word of God. Are you willing to use the Koran to prove you are right that Jesus is God? Are you willing to use the Koran for anything? If not, why do you expect him to use our Holy Bible to prove he is correct? Your request that he use the Bible to prove Jesus is a prophet is just as ludicrous as if he asked you to use the Koran to prove Jesus is God.
This conversation can happen. Some Muslims convert to Christianity just as some Christians convert to Islam, but if you wish to attempt to convert people from other faiths, you should study how others have done this effectively and respectfully.
God bless you and yours.
This was an excellent and respectful post. Good job.
While I would not be willing to use the Koran to prove anything, I would show why the Bible is the most logical of the two to be the truth of God, and there are a plethora of reasons. One of them is its prophecy.
God said that he was the only one "telling from the beginning the finale." This is true. All of the prophecies the Bible has made concerning events on earth have come true, but a few, and these will be shown when the great tribulation and Armageddon come, and as we approach these in the "critical times" beforehand.(2 Timothy 3:1-5)

THanks for your post.

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#93 Oct 7, 2012
Reason wrote:
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This was an excellent and respectful post. Good job.
While I would not be willing to use the Koran to prove anything, I would show why the Bible is the most logical of the two to be the truth of God, and there are a plethora of reasons. One of them is its prophecy.
God said that he was the only one "telling from the beginning the finale." This is true. All of the prophecies the Bible has made concerning events on earth have come true, but a few, and these will be shown when the great tribulation and Armageddon come, and as we approach these in the "critical times" beforehand.(2 Timothy 3:1-5)
THanks for your post.
Prophecy does not prove the Bible is anything but internally consistent to a greater or lesser degree.

Your reference to Armageddon and the tribulation is idle speculation at best.
Jesus - is - Muslim

Saudi Arabia

#96 Oct 7, 2012
Allah (God) Almighty says in the Noble Quran:

"O People of the Book (Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers.
Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him:(far exalted is He) above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)."

[The Noble Quran 4: 170-171]
Jesus - is - Muslim

Saudi Arabia

#97 Oct 7, 2012
The Story of Jesus & His Mother (peace be upon them) In the Noble Quran

PART ONE

003.035 (Remember) When a woman (wife) of Imran said: My Lord! surely I vow to Thee what is in my womb, to be devoted (to Thy service); accept therefore from me, surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing.
003.036 So when she brought forth, she said: My Lord! Surely I have brought it forth a female-- and Allah knew best what she brought forth-- and the male is not like the female, and I have named it Mariam (Mary), and I commend her and her offspring into Thy protection from the accursed Shaitan (Satan).
003.037 So her Lord accepted her with a good acceptance and made her grow up a good growing, and gave her into the charge of Zakariya; whenever Zakariya entered the sanctuary to (see) her, he found with her food. He said: O Mariam! whence comes this to you? She said: It is from Allah. Surely Allah gives to whom He pleases without measure.
003.038 There did Zakariya pray to his Lord; he said: My Lord! grant me from Thee good offspring; surely Thou art the Hearer of prayer.
003.039 Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: That Allah gives you the good news of Yahya (John) verifying a Word from Allah, and honorable and chaste and a prophet from among the good ones.
003.040 He said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to me, and old age has already come upon me, and my wife is barren? He said: even thus does Allah what He pleases.
003.041 He said: My Lord! appoint a sign for me. Said He: Your sign is that you should not speak to men for three days except by signs; and remember your Lord much and glorify Him in the evening and the morning.
003.042 And when the angels said: O Mariam! surely Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the world.
003.043 O Mariam! Keep to obedience to your Lord and humble yourself, and bow down with those who bow.
003.044 This is of the announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you; and you were not with them when they cast their pens (to decide) which of them should have Mariam in his charge, and you were not with them when they contended one with another.
003.045 When the angels said: O Mariam, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa (Jesus) son of Mariam, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
003.046 And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and (he shall be) one of the good ones.
003.047 She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.
003.048 And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel (Gospel).
003.049 And (make him) a messenger to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah's permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah's permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers.
Jesus - is - Muslim

Saudi Arabia

#98 Oct 7, 2012
The Story of Jesus & His Mother (peace be upon them) In the Noble Quran

PART TWO

003.050 And a verifier of that which is before me of the Torah and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.
003.051 Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path.
003.052 But when Isa (Jesus) perceived unbelief on their part, he said: Who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones (Muslims).
003.053 Our Lord! We believe in what Thou hast revealed and we follow the messenger, so write us down with those who bear witness.
003.054 And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.
003.055 And when Allah said: O Isa (Jesus), I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.
003.056 Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.
003.057 And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.
003.058 This (which) We recite to you of the communications and the wise reminder.
003.059 Surely the likeness of Isa (Jesus) is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
003.060 (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers.
003.061 But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.
003.062 Most surely this is the true explanation, and there is no god but Allah; and most surely Allah-- He is the Mighty, the Wise.
003.063 But if they turn back, then surely Allah knows the mischief-makers.
003.064 Say: O followers of the Book (Christians & Jews)! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.

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#99 Oct 7, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
15th
The concept of the trinity is found in the Bible three in one.
<quoted text>
No it's not. Baptize in the name of the Father AND the Son AND the Holy Spirit.

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Albuquerque

#100 Oct 7, 2012
Jesus - is - Muslim wrote:
Allah (God) Almighty says in the Noble Quran:
"O People of the Book (Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers.
Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him:(far exalted is He) above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)."
[The Noble Quran 4: 170-171]
Is there something you are attempting to accomplish here?

If I were to guess, I'd say you're here to criticize Christianity. We get enough of that from the fundies already.

Go find preacherman and give him a hard time. That will make his day.

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#101 Oct 7, 2012
Jesus - is - Muslim wrote:
There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any language.
The word "Bible" is not in the scriptures in any language. There are many words which do not explicitly occur in scriptuyre but the concepts do such as omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient.
Why do 'Christians' teach concepts that are not from the Bible!!?
If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a Christian, why didn’t Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time? How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term Trinity?
Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.
I am quite sure you do not read either Hebrew or Greek. I must repeat Muslims do NOT dictate to Christians what the Christian scriptures say. I am not aware that belief in the word "Trinity" is a requirement for anything. The word Trinity is a short way of sayhing what I said to you earlier. There is one God. The Father is God, but He is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is God, but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, but He is not the Son or the Father. There is one God. And please observe that I did not say that any one is superior or inferior to any other.
Remember that Jesus (PBUH) had spoken openly to the world and spoke nothing in secret as he said in the bible:
“Jesus answered him, "I have spoken openly to the world; I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.”[John 18:20]
Thank you for your irrelevant interpretation of Christian scripture. Muslims do NOT dictate to Christians what the Christian scriptures say.
Jesus - is - Muslim

Saudi Arabia

#102 Oct 7, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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No it's not. Baptize in the name of the Father AND the Son AND the Holy Spirit.
I am sure you are referring to Matthew 28:19 which is this:

Jesus said: "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,”[Matthew 28:19]

This passage is not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century!.. It is a FABRICATION.

See and read for yourself from these Christian sources:

Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by Trinitarians By Dr. G. Reckart, Apostolic Theological Bible College

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic...

Also , the following commentary regarding Mathew 28:19 is quoted from this well-known Bible search machine website:

1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Jesus - is - Muslim

Saudi Arabia

#104 Oct 7, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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The Father is God, but He is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is God, but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, but He is not the Son or the Father. There is one God. And please observe that I did not say that any one is superior or inferior to any other.
Whom should I believe you OR JESUS (peace be upon him)?

Jesus (PBUH) Himself stated explicitly that The Father is GREATER than him and the Father is more superior:

John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"

Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him,‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”

John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"

Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Again, Whom should I believe you OR JESUS (peace be upon him)!?

You are practicing a pagan faith which is in complete contradiction with the faith taught by Jesus (PBUH).

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#106 Oct 7, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
15th
thru out the New Testament ALL 3 are talked about.
<quoted text>
Oh my! You've been taking your smart pills again.
We're talking about the Trinity doctrine.
Here, have a cookie.

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#107 Oct 7, 2012
Jesus - is - Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you are referring to Matthew 28:19 which is this:
Jesus said: "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,”[Matthew 28:19]
This passage is not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century!.. It is a FABRICATION.
This is a Muslim lie from Hell!

The most reliable manuscripts dating to the 4th century which have the ending of Matthew all, 100%, have the Triadic formula!
See and read for yourself from these Christian sources:
Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by Trinitarians By Dr. G. Reckart, Apostolic Theological Bible College
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic... ****
I have already shown you absolute proof that the Shem Tov manuscript at your link is a 14th century forgery by a Spanish Jew.

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#108 Oct 7, 2012
Jesus - is - Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Whom should I believe you OR JESUS (peace be upon him)?
Jesus (PBUH) Himself stated explicitly that The Father is GREATER than him and the Father is more superior:
John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"
Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him,‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”
John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"
Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Again, Whom should I believe you OR JESUS (peace be upon him)!?
You are practicing a pagan faith which is in complete contradiction with the faith taught by Jesus (PBUH).
Muslim lies! Muslims do NOT tell Christians what the Christian scriptures mean. The pagan relgion is Islam which taches that the sun sets in a muddy spring. Al Hadith teaches that Muhammad said the sun has to ask Allah permission every day before it sets or rises.

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#109 Oct 7, 2012
Jesus - is - Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Whom should I believe you OR JESUS (peace be upon him)?
Jesus (PBUH) Himself stated explicitly that The Father is GREATER than him and the Father is more superior:
John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"
Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him,‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”
John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"
Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Again, Whom should I believe you OR JESUS (peace be upon him)!?
You are practicing a pagan faith which is in complete contradiction with the faith taught by Jesus (PBUH).
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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#110 Oct 7, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
15th
The concept of the trinity is found in the Bible three in one.
<quoted text>
Where?

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#111 Oct 7, 2012
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Where?
Five passages, from the list of 86, below, which reveal the Triunity of God. Each passage shows Father, Son, and Holy Spirit having a different relationship, effect, role, etc., with respect to believers.

(1.) 2 Co 13:14 [1] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and [2]the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost,[3]be with you all. Amen.

(2.) Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of [1] God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of [2]the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he [3] shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

(3.) Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith,[1] praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves [2]in the love of God, looking for [3] the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

(4.) 1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to [1] the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of [2] the Spirit,[Repeated three times, cf. 2 Th 2.13, Ro 15:16] unto obedience and [3] sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:[Repeated twice, cf. Heb 9.14] Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

(5.) Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her,[1] The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and [2] the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, which shall be born of thee shall be called [3] the Son of God,.

The Gospels and Acts

Mat 1:18-22, Mat 3:9-11, Mat 3:16-17, Mat 4:1-4, Mat 10:19-23, Mat 12:28, Mat 28:19, Mark 12:35-37, Lk 1:15-17, Lk 1:30-35 *, Lk 1:67-69, Lk 2:25-32, Lk 4:12-13, Lk 10:21, Lk 12:8-10, Jn 1:32-34, Jn 3:31-35, Jn 14:15-17, Jn 14:25, Jn 15:26, Jn 16:7-10, Jn 16:13-15, Jn 20:16-22, Acts 1:4-5, Acts 1:7-8, Acts 2:32-33, Acts 2:38-39*, Acts 4:8-10, Acts 4:24-26, Act 4:29-31, Acts 5:30-32, Acts 7:51-56, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 9:15-20 Acts 10:38, Acts 11:15-17, Acts 11:23-24, Acts 15:7-11, Acts 16:6-10, Acts 20:22-24, Acts 28:23-25.

The Pauline writings

Rom 1:1-4, Rom 5:1-5, Rom 8:9-11, Rom 8:13-16, Rom 8:26-29, Rom 15:12-13*, Rom 15:16*,, Rom 14:15-17, Rom 15:16, Rom 15:18-19, Rom 15:30, I Cor 2:8-10, I Cor 2:14-16, I Cor 6:9-11, I Cor 6:14-19, I Cor 12:3-5*, 2 Cor 1:20-22, 2 Cor 3:3-4, 2 Cor 13:14*, Gal 3:1-5, Gal 4:4-6, Gal 5:21-25, Eph 2:17-18, Eph 3:14-17, Eph 4:4-6, Eph 4:30-32, Eph 5:18-20, Phil 3:3, I Thess 1:4-6, 2 Thess 2:13-14*, I Tim 3:15-16, Titus 3:4-6.*

The General Epistles

Heb 2:3-4; Heb 6:3-6; Heb 9:14*; Heb 10:29-31; I Pet 1:2; * I Pet 3:18; I Pet 4:14; I Jn 3:21-24; I Jn 4:13-14; I Jn 5:6-9; Jud 1:20-21*.

Revelation

Rev 14:12-13, Rev 22:17-18,

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