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#143
Jul 20, 2013
 
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Clearly you know nothing of how to present a cogent and coherent (logical) argument for your POV.
Your Bible says, "THIS GENERATION", so 1. prove that means any generation a few thousand years after the one when that line was spoken. You - all of you Xtians - have to prove that THIS GENERATION has ever meant any other then the one the speaker is among at the time of uttering such a line. You need to define, with proof in and out of the Bible, that "this generation" is not that of an average man, with a slight deviation of a few years...especially when a speaker is referring to a known audience. His disciples. They are a known variable, their lifetimes are known to last from a to b. So that would be the generations timeline.
2. Mentioning that Israel would reassemble in no way supports that THIS GENERATION means what YOU/others want it to mean...that today is THE Generation.
3. Now you need to show outside of the Bible (without scripture quoting) how you can support your claims that this is THE Generation of DOOM. We need real evidence that backs up your claims.(BTW: saying people will be at war, etc is not evidence as that is as common a thread thru history as is people F'n!)
Just quoting the Bible over and over in no way proves your claims...and the Bible is not proof of the claims, nor does it provide you evidence to prove Your claims...
That was third grade version of presenting a case...now do it!
TOTALLY irrelevant. Israel is back as God said.
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The Roman Catholic Church was not around until the 4th century.
So?

Trunk, here's your problem. You cant spew a factoid and have it be a whole supporting argument. In Your head this factoid means something, so tell us what its supposed to mean. FYI; that's how this sort of thing goes...how a debate/discussion proceeds.

So the RCC came to be "official" in the 300's...which would put them smack in the center of when Xtianity is actually becoming the powerful and influential Organization, and ONE Church it would become...and at that early time it - the Roman, western part of xtian-dom was setting down the rules and what have yous of Xtian theology and doctrine. Along of course with the Eastern half of Xtian-dom. But the Rome based side would be the winner in the Western hemisphere.

Now tell us why your factoid is meaningful...!
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#145
Jul 20, 2013
 
dollarsbill wrote:
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TOTALLY irrelevant. Israel is back as God said.
Not as prophesied. Its not in the condition it needs to be to fulfill it.

Which is relevant.
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#146
Jul 20, 2013
 
dollarsbill wrote:
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"This generation" refers to the generation that witnesses "the times of the Gentiles" fulfillment in 1967. Some living in 1967 will never die. This is the terminal generation. ABSOLUTELY!
Luke 21:24 (NKJV)
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
You need to prove this "time of the Gentiles". Need to prove that's exactly what Jesus meant. You just quote apologetics...which is the bastion of the RCC you so revile.

When Jerusalem fell the Jews were not led away as captives...and certainly not to all nations...they scattered. Plus they prospered in most of those places better'n they ever did in the old Israel.

DB, you need to start narrowing down your defense...yours like most Xtians is a white-wash of reality...
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#147
Jul 20, 2013
 
dollarsbill wrote:
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"This generation" refers to the generation that witnesses "the times of the Gentiles" fulfillment in 1967. Some living in 1967 will never die. This is the terminal generation. ABSOLUTELY!
Luke 21:24 (NKJV)
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
I'm guessing you're referring to the 6 day war...1967...share the relevance...you're as bad as Johnny Trunk...tossing out words with no explanations...

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#148
Jul 20, 2013
 
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Not as prophesied. Its not in the condition it needs to be to fulfill it.
Which is relevant.
You're TOTALLY wrong. The world revolves around Jerusalem. Sit back and watch the show. It's gonna be great, for God's people.

Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
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#149
Jul 20, 2013
 
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I agree with much of what you say here.
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Some of this is reflected in scripture.
What do you mean some of it is reflected in scripture...?

You guys have got to stop that! You say this all the time, with no explanation as to what YOU mean by it!

This is why Xtians and Xtianity is so screwed up...you're all carrying around this book making references to it...as if it explains anything...cause apparently EVERYTHING you guys can come up with is "reflected in scripture" -(if you use a crowbar and a come-along...)

Nothing is reflected in scripture...scripture is inert, scripture demands interpretation - which in turn demands explanation!

Imagine a lawyer going to court and his/her only reply is its reflected in the law! The judge is gonna hit him/her with the mallet, and say, "EXPLAIN HOW!!!"

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#150
Jul 20, 2013
 
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>You need to prove this "time of the Gentiles". Need to prove that's exactly what Jesus meant. You just quote apologetics...which is the bastion of the RCC you so revile.
When Jerusalem fell the Jews were not led away as captives...and certainly not to all nations...they scattered. Plus they prospered in most of those places better'n they ever did in the old Israel.
DB, you need to start narrowing down your defense...yours like most Xtians is a white-wash of reality...
This is the terminal generation. The evidence is right under your nose. Israel, the Mark, cashless society, rise of gays, World Government.

What do you think the National Health Care is for? Your health? LOL! They want to Mark everyone. Did I mention cashless?

Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV)
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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#151
Jul 20, 2013
 
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>I'm guessing you're referring to the 6 day war...1967...share the relevance...you're as bad as Johnny Trunk...tossing out words with no explanations...
Yeah. Israel took control of Jerusalem. The 'times of the Gentiles' was fulfilled. This is the terminal generation.

"On 27 June 1967, a few weeks after the war ended, Israel extended its law and jurisdiction to East Jerusalem and some surrounding area, incorporating it into the Jerusalem Municipality."

"Following the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel extended its jurisdiction and administration over East Jerusalem, establishing new municipal borders. In July 1980, Israel passed the Jerusalem Law as part of the country's Basic Law. The law declared Jerusalem the unified capital of Israel,[233] de facto annexing it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

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#152
Jul 20, 2013
 
The Vortex wrote:
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Liar.
The Universal/Catholic church was the original Christian church. That is well documented.
And your evil cult wasn't invented until the 1870s, so it's shut your yap time.
To use the quote:'original church' is incorrect.

There is only one church:- the church Jesus gave us though the Apostles.

'Catholic' means 'Universal', but today it creates confusion, for the Catholic church is known for much evil. Therefore we must refrain using 'catholic' as 'universal' and Just say: universal.

But it is like this. The Church upto the 4th Century was the church which derived from the apostles, which received it from Jesus, and then it branched out to become the orthodox and then the catholic, then the protestant churches.

But the Church is just what Jesus gave us; not some organization.
And thus the church is the Gospel of Jesus and all who follow it become members of HIS church: the church of Jesus, the Christian church.

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
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#153
Jul 20, 2013
 
dollarsbill wrote:
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This is the terminal generation. The evidence is right under your nose. Israel, the Mark, cashless society, rise of gays, World Government.
What do you think the National Health Care is for? Your health? LOL! They want to Mark everyone. Did I mention cashless?
Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV)
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
All BS. You cant point to Health care as part of your paranoid fantasies. It would in fact point more to what JEsus demanded of us, care for the sick and down trodden...another contradiction. Another reason why Revelation was contested as a Canonical book and should have been tossed out with its paranoid supporters! But we cant correct that mistake, only grow-up and move on, like how Slavery was finally put as away as not Biblically correct behavior.

What mark? Your license, your SS#, your employee number? All things you willingly participate under...hell your ISP right now is marking you...allowing you to be tracked. Get off the computer now if you're a real Xtian! Stop aiding the Devil!

If there actually was a mark, and If the mark is not on the right hand or forehead, you gonna admit defeat or find an excuse? And it has to be the mark of the BEAST! Nothing else. NOT a UPC code, or anything else...prophecy has to be exact, remember? Oh right, there's all the wiggle room Xtian-dom has been creating for centuries.

In case you have not noticed - which you have not in that head in the sand position you've adopted - well over 80++% of the worlds peoples use more cash on a daily basis than credit. But like so many Americans you're American-centric and think this Culture is the WHOLE WORLD. There's about 8 trillion US dollars out there circulating...most of it in foreign markets...920 billion in Euros, thats about 2 trillion in US dollars and almost the same in Japanese Yen...IOW, lots of cash is circulating...!

Cash is still KING...that the US has adopted an unsustainable personal/individual credit system where people charge coffee, and gum purchases (thereby paying up to 5 times their value) is not whats going on in the rest of the world.

And where does this alleged "rise of gays" come in...?

Whats with the phallus obsession and Xtianity?
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#154
Jul 20, 2013
 
The Vortex wrote:
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Liar.
The Universal/Catholic church was the original Christian church. That is well documented.
And your evil cult wasn't invented until the 1870s, so it's shut your yap time.
This is well documented by who the Roman catholic church itself?

JWS are true Christianity unlike the apostacy of the roman catholic church with their trinity god

(1) god the father
(2) god the son
(3) god the holy spirit
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This is the terminal generation. The evidence is right under your nose. Israel, the Mark, cashless society, rise of gays, World Government.
What do you think the National Health Care is for? Your health? LOL! They want to Mark everyone. Did I mention cashless?
Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV)
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Terminal what a specious use of the term.

What appears to be a terminal disease is a American Xtian Fundy obsession with Doom! You all want to be part of the END. And for one reason only - many of you think you're going to be there watching your Jesus smote people you dislike. That you're gonna be there on some hillside watching...and clapping, Ooh'n and Aah'n like its a fireworks show!
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#156
Jul 20, 2013
 
dollarsbill wrote:
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This is the terminal generation. The evidence is right under your nose. Israel, the Mark, cashless society, rise of gays, World Government.
What do you think the National Health Care is for? Your health? LOL! They want to Mark everyone. Did I mention cashless?
Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV)
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Matt. 21:42, 43:“Jesus said to them [the chief priests and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem]:‘Did you never read in the Scriptures,“The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes”? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.’”

Matt. 23:37, 38:“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But you people did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”
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#157
Jul 20, 2013
 
dollarsbill wrote:
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You're TOTALLY wrong. The world revolves around Jerusalem. Sit back and watch the show. It's gonna be great, for God's people.
Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Hardly! The world does not revolve around Jerusalem. Thats propaganda...!

Why are so keen on this being The End? Explain this obsession? You really think you're so clean ?
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#158
Jul 20, 2013
 
Man this sort of paranoid delusional Doom and Gloom cr/p bores me...what a sick and twisted Religion is Xtianity that it makes people happy anticipating Doom in their life times. That their children will not live to see anything...how sad you really are.
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#159
Jul 20, 2013
 
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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Matt. 21:42, 43:“Jesus said to them [the chief priests and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem]:‘Did you never read in the Scriptures,“The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes”? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.’”
Matt. 23:37, 38:“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But you people did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”
UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT Johnny Trunk IS A LIAR

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...
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#160
Jul 20, 2013
 
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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1. This is well documented by who the Roman catholic church itself?

JWS are true Christianity unlike the apostacy of the roman catholic church with their trinity god

2.(1) god the father
(2) god the son
(3) god the holy spirit
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1. Well is it? You just asked a Q...

2. You do know this doctrine was decreed by the Eastern Roman Emperor...? That the Xtian churches/factions couldnt agree...so Theodosius stepped in...and so it became law. That once again politics settled (for some) Xtian theology/doctrine.

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Jul 20, 2013
 
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean some of it is reflected in scripture...?
You guys have got to stop that! You say this all the time, with no explanation as to what YOU mean by it!
This is why Xtians and Xtianity is so screwed up...you're all carrying around this book making references to it...as if it explains anything...cause apparently EVERYTHING you guys can come up with is "reflected in scripture" -(if you use a crowbar and a come-along...)
Nothing is reflected in scripture...scripture is inert, scripture demands interpretation - which in turn demands explanation!
Imagine a lawyer going to court and his/her only reply is its reflected in the law! The judge is gonna hit him/her with the mallet, and say, "EXPLAIN HOW!!!"
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Thats a loose interpretation...the churches, the men who were leading the many churches.(lower case C) There was no real The Church when the first manuscripts that would much later, very much later be used to compile the NT books. That was the point of the eventual compilation - to get an agreed upon Canon, to control the doctrine (right teaching) of the still burgeoning Religion of Xtianity. Which was not the first attempt at a Canon of books.

I was referring to things in scripture pertaining to Pauls letters to the church of Corinth and a second time when he visited the church and found serious problems which he had to address.
And, his having to correct/urge the correct teachings be used and not strayed from.........
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#166
Jul 20, 2013
 
The Vortex wrote:
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Bahahahahahahaha...
The JWs are a moronic yet evil made up cult.
How can you be so brainwashed to believe that some crap made up in the 1870s, that doesn't even follow Christian dogma, the original book of lies, or their own made up book of lies for that matter, makes you the "real" Christians?
There is no basis for such an outlandish claim.
Like the whole insane Christian mythology and claim that ONLY THEY have the right "god", that cannot be shared with anyone else, isn't psychotic enough, the JWs claim that after nearly 2,000 years, their "god" FINALLY "inspired" a con artist to set the record "straight" with yet ANOTHER Christian "god". And tell everyone that his "word" was all wrong about having a "son", and he's not really a "son" after all. And that most everything else in his "word" is wrong also. Taking the Christian mythology to a whole new level of insanity.
You belong to an evil cult that only spews worse lies than the fundies.
Satan and the demons have people so brainwashed that they can`t even count the trinity is 3 Gods

(1) God the Father
(2) God the Son
(3) God the Holy Spirit
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Jehovah`s Witnesses are true christians there have all ways been true Christians.
If you don`t want to believe that is up to you.

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