messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#35 Jul 24, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
There should be a time in life when we can honestly face the fact that the tooth fairy is not real - that it was made up.
The gospel accounts are inconsistent and the inconsistencies are grounds for investigators to reject what is in the Bible as suspect. After all, is God the author of confusion? The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth - not the author of untruth.
Just yesterday I noted another reason to suspect Luke as Paul's side-kick to subvert the truth taught by Y'shua. Luke 7 has Him telling the sinful woman that she was saved by faith - a peculair doctrine taught by Paul and not supported in any of the prophecies of the OT for the Messiah and not according to Matthew, John, or Peter - and certainly at odds wth what He says in Revelation.
So how is it that Luke puts Paul's teachings into the mouths of both Peter and Jesus? In Acts, Luke says Peter said we are sanctified by faith in Jesus, in I Peter, Peter says we are sanctified by obedience to God and Christ - the word of God - which is what Y'shua said: "Sanctify them by Thy truth; Thy word is truth."
I think we should ignore Luke if we want to actually know the truth.
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I think we should ignore you if we want the truth.
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Paul taught obedience as much as anyone.
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Heb_5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Romans chapter 2
Rom_6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
2Co_7:15 And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.
2Co_10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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If you spent more time reading the whole NT instead of a website you would probably know this.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#40 Jul 25, 2014
stupid is not a disease wrote:
Time out for a verse from the Atheists book.
Your Mother and Father brought you into this world..Not God
Your demise will be decided by fate..Not God
You are on earth for one reason, and for one reason only, to procreate, and when your time is up you will be placed in the ground, or in an urn as ashes in exactly the same as the billions and billions of others who were on the earth before you and have died.
There is no Judgment. You have served your purpose. Why would a man be judged by a God who has overseen Tsunamis, untold wars, earthquakes, and not lifted a finger ?
Be kind, be thoughtful, be nice, be considerate to your fellow men. Do good deeds from the heart, not from the want of attention or personal gain, and do unto others as you would have done to yourself.
All these things are common sense, you have no need of a written word or a God to show you the way to lead a satisfactory life, we all know when we have done wrong
Do not waste your time being afraid of a mythical being that you cannot see, cannot touch, cannot speak to, to discuss why it was that your loved one had to die in a distant war somewhere, or why it is that babies are born crippled for life in his name.
Have no fear of dying. The only person you have to answer to is yourself, and what you failed to do in life, you certainly will not put right in death.
BOOK OF ATHEISM VERSE 1, CHAPTER 1.
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What you are telling us is:
1. Once we have procreated we are not needed, in fact we are taking up valuable resources and we should just off ourselves.
2. We have no more worth than an ant.
3. There is no purpose in our lives but to reproduce and even that is senseless as our sun will die and all humanity with it.
4 Homosexuals have no worth as they don't reproduce.
5. We should risk our eternal future and our self worth in this life on a book written by a man.
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This is what G-d offers
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1. A relationship with him where we know we are loved.
2. We have a purpose in this life and in the life to come.
3. We are so valuable to G-d that he experienced all the horrors and misery of all the sins of mankind to redeem us.
4. Homosexuals are just as important to G-d as heterosexuals.
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Gee this is a tough choice... I'll have to think about this for a decade or so. I'll get back to you.
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Bwahahahahah
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#46 Jul 28, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Isn't Mark also a side-kick of Paul?
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No he wasn't, he was a sidekick of Barnabas. Paul refused to take him along after he had abandoned them in a prior missionary journey.
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And if I am wrong -
Show reason by the instruction of God in Scripture - leave out the suspected false witnesses and prove your point by the true witnesses, which is what God commands.
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The word of G-d tells us that by the mouth of two or more witnesses shall truth be established. We have the testimony of many witnesses. If one disagrees with you, you brand them a false witness. That wouldn't hold up in court or with the apostles. We also have their silence about these so call lies. Why? When Paul was accused of abandoning the law, he was questioned about it and found innocent. Who are you to 2,000 years later retry him? Where are your witnesses? Where are his witnesses? I'll tell you... unavailable and that is enough to let the matter stay as it has always been.
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Lastly there is nothing in the TNK about a suspected witness.
It's your soul, not mine.

Who else in the NT says Paul is an apostle, other than Paul himself?

Barnabus? No.
Mark? No.
Luke? No.
Any of the twelve apostles? No.
Jesus? No.

Just Paul.

If you don't recognize that Paul taught against the truth of God and Christ - if you don't hear what is Truth, you'll never know the real truth.

"If you abide in My word, ye are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."

Thereby I know you are no disciple of Jesus, but are a disciple of Paul.

John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing, but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you."

Revelation 22:14; "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city."

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#47 Jul 28, 2014
http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/

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Followers of Rome have damned many souls to hell.

Only followers of Jesus are blessed - Jesus didn't pray for the world, but for those who accepted Him and His testimony from the Father.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#48 Jul 28, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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I think we should ignore you if we want the truth.
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Paul taught obedience as much as anyone.
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Heb_5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Romans chapter 2
Rom_6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
2Co_7:15 And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.
2Co_10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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If you spent more time reading the whole NT instead of a website you would probably know this.
Do as you please. Ignore the warnings. Obey the liar.

Paul also taught the Commandments of God are the death of him and a curse and not even given by God.

God only wants those who love Him enough to pay attention to what He said.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#49 Jul 28, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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It's your soul, not mine.
Who else in the NT says Paul is an apostle, other than Paul himself?
Barnabus? No.
Mark? No.
Luke? No.
Any of the twelve apostles? No.
Jesus? No.
Just Paul.
If you don't recognize that Paul taught against the truth of God and Christ - if you don't hear what is Truth, you'll never know the real truth.
"If you abide in My word, ye are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
Thereby I know you are no disciple of Jesus, but are a disciple of Paul.
John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing, but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you."
Revelation 22:14; "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city."
John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."
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Who else in the NT says Paul is an apostle, other than Paul himself?
Barnabus? No.
Mark? No.
Luke? No.
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An argument from silence is a weak one, I could argue, "who in the NT says Paul is not an apostle"?
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But Luke does call Paul and Barnabbas apostles in Act 14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.
Act_14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
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John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
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And what commandment do I not keep?
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I don't see Paul breaking the commandments so I can follow his example as he follows Messiah.
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1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Php_3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Heb_6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#50 Jul 28, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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Do as you please. Ignore the warnings. Obey the liar.
Paul also taught the Commandments of God are the death of him and a curse and not even given by God.
God only wants those who love Him enough to pay attention to what He said.
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Do you have so little understanding of the Gospel?
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The law is a curse to those who will not obey it in its entirety. If we could be righteous by keeping the law there would be no need for the Messiah to bear our sins. The wages of sin is death. That means to those who break the law a penalty is due. If Messiah bore our sins (meaning we are born again and therefore in Messiah) we are free from the curse of the law (death).
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You can have the opportunity to show that Paul didn't think the law came from G-d.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#52 Jul 28, 2014
howstupidareyou wrote:
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only thing that came from god are morons..
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That may be true, but like I said, I have hope for you.
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Of course others may attribute that to the blind watchman.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#55 Aug 2, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Who else in the NT says Paul is an apostle, other than Paul himself?
Barnabus? No.
Mark? No.
Luke? No.
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An argument from silence is a weak one, I could argue, "who in the NT says Paul is not an apostle"?
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But Luke does call Paul and Barnabbas apostles in Act 14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.
Act_14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
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John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
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And what commandment do I not keep?
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I don't see Paul breaking the commandments so I can follow his example as he follows Messiah.
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1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Php_3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Heb_6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
I'll have to thank you for finding a verse in Acts that identifies Paul and Barnabas as apostles - even if it is by second hand accounting from Luke reporting on what he was told. Can you find another one? Which account of the conversion of Paul is the true one? And which are the ones not really wholly true? So we can see Luke's reporting is not to the standard of the unerring word of God.

Can you read Matthew and John and know how Jesus lived and follow after Him by their accounts? Of what accounts of Paul his writings can you know how to live and what to believe that centers in the teachings of the Christ - the instructions God gave through Him?

Did Abraham, through faith, inherit the promise? or did Jacob or Isaac? Did God make the covenant by faith as told by Paul? Or did God make the covenant per Genesis 17, affirmed by Genesis 26, or was it Genesis 15 as Paul taught?

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/component/conte...
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#56 Aug 4, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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I'll have to thank you for finding a verse in Acts that identifies Paul and Barnabas as apostles - even if it is by second hand accounting from Luke reporting on what he was told. Can you find another one? Which account of the conversion of Paul is the true one? And which are the ones not really wholly true? So we can see Luke's reporting is not to the standard of the unerring word of God.
Can you read Matthew and John and know how Jesus lived and follow after Him by their accounts? Of what accounts of Paul his writings can you know how to live and what to believe that centers in the teachings of the Christ - the instructions God gave through Him?
Did Abraham, through faith, inherit the promise? or did Jacob or Isaac? Did God make the covenant by faith as told by Paul? Or did God make the covenant per Genesis 17, affirmed by Genesis 26, or was it Genesis 15 as Paul taught?
http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/component/conte...
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Did Abraham, through faith, inherit the promise? or did Jacob or Isaac? Did God make the covenant by faith as told by Paul? Or did God make the covenant per Genesis 17, affirmed by Genesis 26, or was it Genesis 15 as Paul taught?
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Of course they inherited the promise. The land was given to Abraham, passed down through Isaac, and Jacob. His seed would be as the stars in number. He has also inherited eternal life through Messiah.
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Jas_2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Mat_8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
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We can also see that Gen 17 & 26 are reaffirmations of Gen 15.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#57 Aug 5, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Who else in the NT says Paul is an apostle, other than Paul himself?
Barnabus? No.
Mark? No.
Luke? No.
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An argument from silence is a weak one, I could argue, "who in the NT says Paul is not an apostle"?
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But Luke does call Paul and Barnabbas apostles in Act 14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.
Act_14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
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John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
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And what commandment do I not keep?
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I don't see Paul breaking the commandments so I can follow his example as he follows Messiah.
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1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Php_3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Heb_6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
The argument is not from silence, but testified to by Jesus in Matthew and Revelation that there are twelve apostles, and Paul is never found in that number. My supporting argument is that no one but Paul in the NT ever says Paul is an apostle, which was then brought out the verse that does, but it was amongst those who were contending, not in agreement. And there in the same passage Barnabas was grouped with Paul as apostles, yet do they meet the conditions? No, they didn't. There were claims, just as there are claims of some today to be apostles or prophets, but we can know them by the same directions that also condemn Paul to not be what he claimed. We'll trust the results when applied to Joseph Smith or LDS Prophets and Apostles claims, yet somehow just forget to apply the same tests to Paul and Barnabas - and strangely, even Barnabas abandoned Paul!

I've listed all that I have found in the NT to be commandments/instructions in righteousness from Jesus in the listing of these on my web site:

onediscipletoanother.org

The list was made with careful consideration, but I'm not making claims to infalibility - just one that wants to know whatever He taught.

What Jesus taught was fully based in the Torah, Psalms and Prophets.

What Jesus taught was fully based on the eternal covenant and word of God given from Adam through Moses, the prophets, and finally John the baptist, whom Jesus said was the greatest of the prophets up to His time.

Jesus affirmed the everlasting covenant, and opened it up to all who would repent to do the will of God - to those who work the works God requires of all men. He told us about the way to life eternal, taught about the proper interpretation and application of the instructions of God, and gave us exceeding promises to those who seek to do the whole will of God in truth and love that centers on God and the Christ - those who earnestly seek Him in spirit and truth as He gave.

Each of the Ten Words were affirmed. Not a one was done away with or set aside.

And we don't find Paul faithful to that task, just as the charges against him in Acts note.

Don't let my imperfections detract you from the actual truth He taught... try to be a "disciple indeed" by doing whatsoever He said and I think you'll come to much the same conclusions.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#58 Aug 5, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Did Abraham, through faith, inherit the promise? or did Jacob or Isaac? Did God make the covenant by faith as told by Paul? Or did God make the covenant per Genesis 17, affirmed by Genesis 26, or was it Genesis 15 as Paul taught?
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Of course they inherited the promise. The land was given to Abraham, passed down through Isaac, and Jacob. His seed would be as the stars in number. He has also inherited eternal life through Messiah.
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Jas_2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Mat_8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
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We can also see that Gen 17 & 26 are reaffirmations of Gen 15.
Not really. It's one thing to be counted a friend of God, and another for God to make an eternal covenant to your descendants and all the nations of the world.

Genesis 15 is about a promise of God to Abraham to have an heir and descendants, not an eternal covenant to bless all the nations.

Gen. 17 mentions the covenant as a future thing.

Gen. 26 is where God said Abraham met the conditions required of him and that because of that God would establish the covenant, the same covenant that Jesus fulfilled and brought into being - the reality of the covenant to all generations until the end. Once the end comes, then there is no more possibility to enter into it. As the parable of the ten virgins notes, those who were not ready at His return were locked out. And the Damascus Covenant is largely in agreement with this - but I'm still studying that and the DSS out and basing my viewpoints on whatever Jesus taught.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#59 Aug 5, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Did Abraham, through faith, inherit the promise? or did Jacob or Isaac? Did God make the covenant by faith as told by Paul? Or did God make the covenant per Genesis 17, affirmed by Genesis 26, or was it Genesis 15 as Paul taught?
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Of course they inherited the promise. The land was given to Abraham, passed down through Isaac, and Jacob. His seed would be as the stars in number. He has also inherited eternal life through Messiah.
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Jas_2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Mat_8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
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We can also see that Gen 17 & 26 are reaffirmations of Gen 15.
Hardly. By making the eternal covenant to be Gen. 15, Paul set aside the actual eternal covenant of Gen. 17 and 26.

As Jesus said, man shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. If Paul taught in accord with the words of God I would have no issue with his teachings - but the fact is that Paul set aside not only the commandments of God, but also the eternal covenant of God.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#60 Aug 5, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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The argument is not from silence, but testified to by Jesus in Matthew and Revelation that there are twelve apostles, and Paul is never found in that number. My supporting argument is that no one but Paul in the NT ever says Paul is an apostle, which was then brought out the verse that does, but it was amongst those who were contending, not in agreement. And there in the same passage Barnabas was grouped with Paul as apostles, yet do they meet the conditions? No, they didn't. There were claims, just as there are claims of some today to be apostles or prophets, but we can know them by the same directions that also condemn Paul to not be what he claimed. We'll trust the results when applied to Joseph Smith or LDS Prophets and Apostles claims, yet somehow just forget to apply the same tests to Paul and Barnabas - and strangely, even Barnabas abandoned Paul!
I've listed all that I have found in the NT to be commandments/instructions in righteousness from Jesus in the listing of these on my web site:
onediscipletoanother.org
The list was made with careful consideration, but I'm not making claims to infalibility - just one that wants to know whatever He taught.
What Jesus taught was fully based in the Torah, Psalms and Prophets.
What Jesus taught was fully based on the eternal covenant and word of God given from Adam through Moses, the prophets, and finally John the baptist, whom Jesus said was the greatest of the prophets up to His time.
Jesus affirmed the everlasting covenant, and opened it up to all who would repent to do the will of God - to those who work the works God requires of all men. He told us about the way to life eternal, taught about the proper interpretation and application of the instructions of God, and gave us exceeding promises to those who seek to do the whole will of God in truth and love that centers on God and the Christ - those who earnestly seek Him in spirit and truth as He gave.
Each of the Ten Words were affirmed. Not a one was done away with or set aside.
And we don't find Paul faithful to that task, just as the charges against him in Acts note.
Don't let my imperfections detract you from the actual truth He taught... try to be a "disciple indeed" by doing whatsoever He said and I think you'll come to much the same conclusions.
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The argument is not from silence, but testified to by Jesus in Matthew and Revelation that there are twelve apostles, and Paul is never found in that number.
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Firstly this is not to be taken literally as there are also 12 foundations. 12 is the number of perfect government which this city will have.
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Secondly it doesn't name the apostles, so are we to conclude that Judas will be named among these apostles?
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Thirdly I have already given you biblical evidence of Paul and Barnabbas being referred to as apostles.
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Fourthly this is an argument from silence as the apostles are not named even if taken literally.
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The meaning of apostle is one who is sent. Both these men were sent by their church into the mission field.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#61 Aug 5, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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The argument is not from silence, but testified to by Jesus in Matthew and Revelation that there are twelve apostles, and Paul is never found in that number.
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Firstly this is not to be taken literally as there are also 12 foundations. 12 is the number of perfect government which this city will have.
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Secondly it doesn't name the apostles, so are we to conclude that Judas will be named among these apostles?
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Thirdly I have already given you biblical evidence of Paul and Barnabbas being referred to as apostles.
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Fourthly this is an argument from silence as the apostles are not named even if taken literally.
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The meaning of apostle is one who is sent. Both these men were sent by their church into the mission field.
The apostles are not named?~!

You're a hoot.

Stay in your prison hole.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#62 Aug 6, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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The apostles are not named?~!
You're a hoot.
Stay in your prison hole.
God bless you with family trouble, in Jesus' Name. Amen.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#63 Aug 6, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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The apostles are not named?~!
You're a hoot.
Stay in your prison hole.
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Not in the text you cited, and you didn't answer would Judas be included in the heavenly city.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#64 Aug 6, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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Hardly. By making the eternal covenant to be Gen. 15, Paul set aside the actual eternal covenant of Gen. 17 and 26.
As Jesus said, man shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. If Paul taught in accord with the words of God I would have no issue with his teachings - but the fact is that Paul set aside not only the commandments of God, but also the eternal covenant of God.
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Please show where these are different covenants.
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Additionally one covenant does NOT set aside another covenant, which is taught to us by Paul himself.
Gal_3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
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We can also see from history that one covenant doesn't annul a previous covenant. We still see a rainbow after it rains which reminds us of G-d's covenant not to judge the world by water again. We can see that the covenant made to David is still in effect, etc.
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So using Paul's own logic we can conclude that the New covenant does NOT set aside the old. If one can keep the law in its entirety, you don't need a Saviour. But here is the problem, everyone sins and there is no Temple to offer the sacrifice in, there is no Priest to offer the sacrifice. Therefore we are left with only one means of reconciliation with G-d, which is the blood of the New Covenant, offered in the heavenly temple by our High Priest Yeshua.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#65 Aug 7, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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Hardly. By making the eternal covenant to be Gen. 15, Paul set aside the actual eternal covenant of Gen. 17 and 26.
As Jesus said, man shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. If Paul taught in accord with the words of God I would have no issue with his teachings - but the fact is that Paul set aside not only the commandments of God, but also the eternal covenant of God.
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You have been challenged to show this, where is it written? Please keep in mind you think Paul and Luke are liars, so please don't reference their writings as they can't be trusted.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#66 Aug 19, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Not in the text you cited, and you didn't answer would Judas be included in the heavenly city.
Of course not, even Jesus said he was lost. Judas was replaced by another, who was named, so we know the names of the Twelve Apostles.

And according to the records of the Twelve we now have (Matthew and John), who did Jesus appoint to be His "sent ones"? And were the "sent ones" to teach others what He had first taught them? This is why their testimony is so important, and as Jesus said - they were with Him from the beginning, had accepted His words from the Father, and would be enabled by the Holy Spirit to recall those things correctly - all of it.

So Paul is nothing but a pretender. Jesus taught the truth - Paul taught a fantasy and denied the very Covenant of God - the Everlasting Covenant.

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